College Football - Week 13 (Nov. 23)

[Andy]

Top 25 games

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Chattanooga at (1) Alabama (2 pm, ESPN3)

Idaho at (2) Florida State (3:30 pm, ESPNU)

Indiana at (3) Ohio State (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN2)

(4) Baylor at (10) Oklahoma State (8 pm, ABC)

(5) Oregon at Arizona (3:30 pm, ABC/ESPN2)

The Citadel at (7) Clemson (12 pm, ESPN3)

(8) Missouri at (24) Ole Miss (7:45 pm, ESPN)

California at (9) Stanford (4 pm, Fox Sports 1)

Coastal Carolina at (11) South Carolina (1 pm, ESPN3)

(12) Texas A&M at (22) LSU (3:30 pm, CBS)

(13) Michigan State at Northwestern (12 pm, ESPN2)

(17) Arizona State at (14) UCLA (7 pm, FOX)

New Mexico at (15) Fresno State (4 pm, ESPNEWS)

(16) Northern Illinois at Toledo (8 pm Wednesday, ESPN2)

Rutgers at (18) Central Florida (7:30 pm Thursday, ESPN)

(19) Wisconsin at (25) Minnesota (3:30 pm, ESPN)

(20) Oklahoma at Kansas State (12 pm, Fox Sports 1)

Memphis at (21) Louisville (12 pm, ESPN3)

(23) USC at Colorado (9:30 pm, Pac-12 Network)

 

Other nationally available games

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Kent State at Ohio (8 pm Tuesday, ESPN2)

Buffalo at Miami (OH) (8 pm Tuesday, ESPNU)

 

Rice at UAB (7:30 pm Thursday, Fox Sports 1)

UNLV at Air Force (9:30 pm Thursday, ESPNU)

 

Navy at San Jose State (9:30 pm Friday, ESPN2)

 

Duke at Wake Forest (12 pm, ESPN2)

Illinois at Purdue (12 pm, BTN – Regional)

Michigan at Iowa (12 pm, BTN – Regional)

Virginia at Miami (12 pm, ESPNU)

Cincinnati at Houston (12 pm, ESPNEWS)

Old Dominion at North Carolina (12 pm, FSN/ESPN3)

Mississippi State at Arkansas (12:20 pm, SECTV/ESPN3)

East Carolina at NC State (12:30 pm, ACC Network/ESPN3)

Pittsburgh at Syracuse (12:30 pm, ACC Network/ESPN3)

Bowling Green at Eastern Michigan (1 pm, ESPN3)

UMass at Central Michigan (1 pm, ESPN3)

Alabama A&M at Georgia Tech (1:30 pm, ESPN3)

Georgia Southern at Florida (2 pm, ESPN3)

Georgia State at Arkansas State (3 pm, ESPN3)

BYU at Notre Dame (3:30 pm, NBC)

Nebraska at Penn State (3:30 pm, BTN)

Colorado State at Utah State (3:30 pm, CBS Sports)

Utah at Washington State (3:30 pm, Pac-12 Network)

Boston College at Maryland (3:30 pm, FSN/ESPN3)

Vanderbilt at Tennessee (7 pm, ESPN2)

Kentucky at Georgia (7 pm, ESPNU)

Tulsa at Louisiana Tech (7 pm, CBS Sports)

SMU at South Florida (7 pm, ESPN3)

UConn at Temple (7 pm, ESPN3)

UL Monroe at South Alabama (7 pm, ESPN3)

Kansas at Iowa State (8 pm, Fox Sports 1)

Washington at Oregon State (10:30 pm, ESPN2)

Boise State at San Diego State (10:30 pm, CBS Sports)

Edited November 18, 2013 by Andy

[Butterscup1679666578]

please don't lose to Ole Miss so at least the A&M game means something (Mizzou is going to lose both of these games)

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Chattanooga? Oh [expletive] off

[OleMissCub]

Chattanooga? Oh [expletive] off

 

When Chattanooga comes to town, you can throw the record books out. That'll be a battle. Not sure what the current spread is, but it should be a pick 'em.

[Ryne Ween]

How is Stanford ahead of Ok St and Mich St in the BCS coming off a second loss? The Pac 12 is a very circular argument and if Oregon slides into the BCS title game its gonna suck.

[Ryne Ween]

They should be careful how much they pump up Baylor becausen when Ok St beats them then you pretty much have to put Ok St in the top 5 with a very legit shot at a mythical national championship.

[Andy]

They should be careful how much they pump up Baylor becausen when Ok St beats them then you pretty much have to put Ok St in the top 5 with a very legit shot at a mythical national championship.

OK State isn't playing for the national title. No matter who comes out of the SEC, they will finish ahead of the Cowboys, and Florida St isn't gonna lose. Even if they did, Ohio St would be there.

 

To answer your previous question, Stanford has 3 wins over teams ranked in the top 17, more than anybody else, while neither OK St or Mich St has beaten a ranked team.

[Soul]

Look at those turds at the top of the rankings. This late in the season, does the ncaa really want people to not watch THAT badly?

[Ryne Ween]

To answer your previous question, Stanford has 3 wins over teams ranked in the top 17, more than anybody else, while neither OK St or Mich St has beaten a ranked team.

 

Thats kinda cherry-picking. I could say that the gamecocks are the only team to give two top 18 teams their only loss. Beside ASU and UCLA play on saturday so stanford will only hold that distinction for a few days. Bottom line they lost to a bad team and a mediocre team.

[Andy]

To answer your previous question, Stanford has 3 wins over teams ranked in the top 17, more than anybody else, while neither OK St or Mich St has beaten a ranked team.

 

Thats kinda cherry-picking. I could say that the gamecocks are the only team to give two top 18 teams their only loss. Beside ASU and UCLA play on saturday so stanford will only hold that distinction for a few days. Bottom line they lost to a bad team and a mediocre team.

USC is ranked now, so how mediocre are they, really?

 

And ND is the only other team to defeat 3 currently-ranked teams, so if you want me to extend to the top 25, the point still stands. Stanford has far, FAR better wins than Oklahoma State or Michigan State. Moreover, if you consider USC mediocre, than what do you think of three-loss ND (MSU's loss) and SEVEN-loss West Virginia (Oklahoma State's)?

[Ryne Ween]

To answer your previous question, Stanford has 3 wins over teams ranked in the top 17, more than anybody else, while neither OK St or Mich St has beaten a ranked team.

 

Thats kinda cherry-picking. I could say that the gamecocks are the only team to give two top 18 teams their only loss. Beside ASU and UCLA play on saturday so stanford will only hold that distinction for a few days. Bottom line they lost to a bad team and a mediocre team.

USC is ranked now, so how mediocre are they, really?

 

And ND is the only other team to defeat 3 currently-ranked teams, so if you want me to extend to the top 25, the point still stands. Stanford has far, FAR better wins than Oklahoma State or Michigan State. Moreover, if you consider USC mediocre, than what do you think of three-loss ND (MSU's loss) and SEVEN-loss West Virginia (Oklahoma State's)?

 

USC is a decent team i shouldnt have called them mediocre. I expected USC to beat Stanford and I hope they beat ASU.

 

A road loss to ND is a pretty forgiveable loss in my opinion and although the teams arent ranked the wins at Iowa, at nebraska and the beatdown of michigan are impressive wins.

 

Bottom line is I think the PAC 12 is trash and it gets a pass because people assume STanford and Oregon are great teams and a few other pac teams get ranked by racking up wins against bad teams.

[SouthSideRyan]

To answer your previous question, Stanford has 3 wins over teams ranked in the top 17, more than anybody else, while neither OK St or Mich St has beaten a ranked team.

 

Thats kinda cherry-picking. I could say that the gamecocks are the only team to give two top 18 teams their only loss. Beside ASU and UCLA play on saturday so stanford will only hold that distinction for a few days. Bottom line they lost to a bad team and a mediocre team.

USC is ranked now, so how mediocre are they, really?

 

And ND is the only other team to defeat 3 currently-ranked teams, so if you want me to extend to the top 25, the point still stands. Stanford has far, FAR better wins than Oklahoma State or Michigan State. Moreover, if you consider USC mediocre, than what do you think of three-loss ND (MSU's loss) and SEVEN-loss West Virginia (Oklahoma State's)?

 

What's the argument that USC is better than ND?

 

ND beat USC head to head, and won a game against mutual opponent ASU who USC lost to by 20.

Edited November 18, 2013 by SouthSideRyan

[Ryne Ween]

ASU got a gift in the wisconsin game. ASU is this year's oregon state. UCLA is also overrated.

[snoodmonger]

Abuck, where are you? Battle for the cellar in Ames. I don't see us winning a road game, but who knows.

[Guest]

Bottom line is I think the PAC 12 is trash and it gets a pass because people assume STanford and Oregon are great teams and a few other pac teams get ranked by racking up wins against bad teams.

 

Just like every other conference?

[Derwood]

Who else will be flipping between Bama/Chatanooga and FSU/Idaho?

I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE

[RynoRules]

Ferentz vs. Hoke in the "Loser Has One More Year Before Alumni Start Calling For His Head" Bowl.

[UMFan83]

Who else will be flipping between Bama/Chatanooga and FSU/Idaho?

I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE

 

It was nice of Alabama and FSU to schedule bye weeks before their games against Auburn and Florida respectively.

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Ferentz vs. Hoke in the "Loser Has One More Year Before Alumni Start Calling For His Head" Bowl.

 

This game has no impact whatsoever on Ferentz or the fans' perception of him. Some think he's fine, some want him to go. His buyout is still the biggest hurdle for Iowa.

 

Similarly, while losing to Iowa would be bad, Hoke can save his season by beating OSU. You don't gain or lose much at UM in the Iowa game.

[Formerly Snayke]

I think Saturday is the beginning of Missouri's road to the Gator Bowl.

[Old Style]

Really want to beat LSU on their own field. Not sure our D can hold up enough to get the win, though.

[stuy119]

Who else will be flipping between Bama/Chatanooga and FSU/Idaho?

I JUST CAN'T CHOOSE

 

Only watching because I'm an FSU fan and will be more nervous about potential injuries than enjoying the game.

 

It was nice of Alabama and FSU to schedule bye weeks before their games against Auburn and Florida respectively.

 

As a potential BCSCG team, I'm glad FSU did this to mimic the SEC. I don't think anyone could have predicted we would need an easy week before the UF game this year. In most years, I'll allow it and appreciate it.

 

As a fan, the practice eats dog turds.

[Andy]

What's the argument that USC is better than ND?

 

ND beat USC head to head, and won a game against mutual opponent ASU who USC lost to by 20.

There really isn't one, but after losing to mediocre-to-bad Pitt and Michigan teams I don't care much where ND is ranked these days.

[RynoRules]

Ferentz vs. Hoke in the "Loser Has One More Year Before Alumni Start Calling For His Head" Bowl.

 

This game has no impact whatsoever on Ferentz or the fans' perception of him. Some think he's fine, some want him to go. His buyout is still the biggest hurdle for Iowa.

 

Similarly, while losing to Iowa would be bad, Hoke can save his season by beating OSU. You don't gain or lose much at UM in the Iowa game.

 

I disagree re Hoke. He isn't going to beat OSU, so he needs this game to avoid a 7-5 / 3-5 record, which - combined with the anemic offense and up and down defense - will put his head squarely on the block. 8-4 / 4-4 isn't much better, but it probably will be perceived that way.

[Tracer Bullet]

Ferentz vs. Hoke in the "Loser Has One More Year Before Alumni Start Calling For His Head" Bowl.

 

This game has no impact whatsoever on Ferentz or the fans' perception of him. Some think he's fine, some want him to go. His buyout is still the biggest hurdle for Iowa.

 

Similarly, while losing to Iowa would be bad, Hoke can save his season by beating OSU. You don't gain or lose much at UM in the Iowa game.

 

I disagree re Hoke. He isn't going to beat OSU, so he needs this game to avoid a 7-5 / 3-5 record, which - combined with the anemic offense and up and down defense - will put his head squarely on the block. 8-4 / 4-4 isn't much better, but it probably will be perceived that way.

 

I don't think the difference is going to matter at all. If he can't win more than 7/8 games next year, he's likely out in matter whether he wins 7 or 8 this year. They could still win a bowl and finish with 8 wins. But that difference just doesn't matter. 4 losses is too many at this point in his tenure with the team.