Offseason Rumors

[Cubswin11]

ABTY:

 

Tigers/Rangers deal was, at one point, much, much larger... Texas wanted Scherzer and were willing to move any pitcher not named Darvish, Tigers were willing to listen, went back and forth for quite a bit before both sides decided a straight one-for-one makes th must sense... Yes Gato, Texas did ask for Porcello but backed off in favor of the 30M...

 

Cubs up to stealthy dealings, talking to Nelson Cruz and pushing for a Chase Headley deal...neither seem to have legs at this point...

 

Funny Headley note: Cubs had a chance to deal for him prior to has breakout year, came close to pulling the trigger until the Rockies made an offer on Stewart (whom at the time they evaluated as on par with Headley) that the team felt was too good to pass up... The price on Headley (plus) at the time? Trey McNutt and Geovany Soto...

[jersey cubs fan]

until the Rockies made an offer on Stewart (whom at the time they evaluated as on par with Headley) that the team felt was too good to pass up... The price on Headley (plus) at the time? Trey McNutt and Geovany Soto...

 

uggghhhh

Edited November 21, 2013 by jersey cubs fan

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

The price on Headley (plus) at the time? Trey McNutt and Geovany Soto..

 

http://i.imgur.com/C6CC15I.gif

[Tyrant]

The price on Headley (plus) at the time? Trey McNutt and Geovany Soto..

 

http://i.imgur.com/C6CC15I.gif

 

Nice.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The price on Headley (plus) at the time? Trey McNutt and Geovany Soto..

 

http://i.imgur.com/C6CC15I.gif

 

I see. Could you make them a spot of tea please, Stephanie?

[rawaction]

Best GIF ever.

[SouthSideRyan]

until the Rockies made an offer on Stewart (whom at the time they evaluated as on par with Headley)

 

That's...concerning

[Clem Fandango]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

 

I like to think our front office has voodoo beyond fangraphs pages.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

until the Rockies made an offer on Stewart (whom at the time they evaluated as on par with Headley)

 

That's...concerning

 

.....if it's even true.

[sneakypower]

i was the biggest Stewart fan around, and i still valued Headley more at the time

 

i don't really buy that inference

[Clem Fandango]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

 

I like to think our front office has voodoo beyond fangraphs pages.

 

Okay, he was also younger, cheaper, had a better pedigree, had yet to hit his prime years, and was coming off of a better offensive season and cost us Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu instead of our best pitching prospect (assuming Garza trade had been done already) and our cheap, fan-favorite starting catcher who put up 10+ wins over the previous 4 seasons.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

and was coming off of a better offensive season

 

lolwut?

[jersey cubs fan]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

 

I like to think our front office has voodoo beyond fangraphs pages.

 

Okay, he was also younger, cheaper, had a better pedigree, had yet to hit his prime years, and was coming off of a better offensive season and cost us Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu instead of our best pitching prospect (assuming Garza trade had been done already) and our cheap, fan-favorite starting catcher who put up 10+ wins over the previous 4 seasons.

 

He was one year younger and coming off an abysmal season after breaking his wrist. Headley was coming off a better year and was at least as good over the previous three years.

[Clem Fandango]

and was coming off of a better offensive season

 

lolwut?

 

Okay, I'll give you that one. Headley's OPS+ was very good. 120, vs. Stewart's 97. Didn't look that far... I looked at Headley's .773 OPS vs. Stewarts .781. Stewart's 18 HR vs. Headley's 4. It's very possible the Cubs favored Stewart's power potential and over Headley. Stewart had a .454 SLG in thep revious 3 seasons leading up to the trade. Headley had a .387 SLG.

[SouthSideRyan]

and was coming off of a better offensive season

 

lolwut?

 

Okay, I'll give you that one. Headley's OPS+ was very good. 120, vs. Stewart's 97. Didn't look that far... I looked at Headley's .773 OPS vs. Stewarts .781. Stewart's 18 HR vs. Headley's 4. It's very possible the Cubs favored Stewart's power potential and over Headley. Stewart had a .454 SLG in thep revious 3 seasons leading up to the trade. Headley had a .387 SLG.

 

You're using Stewart's 2010. He put up an OPS of about 250 the year before we traded for him.

 

And you're using raw numbers in spite of the fact that Headley played in San Diego and Stewart played in Colorado.

[jersey cubs fan]

and was coming off of a better offensive season

 

lolwut?

 

Okay, I'll give you that one. Headley's OPS+ was very good. 120, vs. Stewart's 97. Didn't look that far... I looked at Headley's .773 OPS vs. Stewarts .781. Stewart's 18 HR vs. Headley's 4. It's very possible the Cubs favored Stewart's power potential and over Headley. Stewart had a .454 SLG in thep revious 3 seasons leading up to the trade. Headley had a .387 SLG.

try again

[Clem Fandango]

Oh [expletive] you're right. WTF, ignore everything I wrote, which most of you probably do already, so... keep on keeping on. How the hell did I miss that?

[KingCubsFan]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

 

I like to think our front office has voodoo beyond fangraphs pages.

 

Okay, he was also younger, cheaper, had a better pedigree, had yet to hit his prime years, and was coming off of a better offensive season and cost us Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu instead of our best pitching prospect (assuming Garza trade had been done already) and our cheap, fan-favorite starting catcher who put up 10+ wins over the previous 4 seasons.

Right. If that statement is actually true, I would hope it means that they valued them fairly equally due in large part to the fact that Stewart would take a lot less to acquire.

[Guest]

I know that makes us all angry, but FWIW Ian Stewart's overall numbers were better than Chase Headley's at that point in their careers.

 

I like to think our front office has voodoo beyond fangraphs pages.

 

Okay, he was also younger, cheaper, had a better pedigree, had yet to hit his prime years, and was coming off of a better offensive season and cost us Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu instead of our best pitching prospect (assuming Garza trade had been done already) and our cheap, fan-favorite starting catcher who put up 10+ wins over the previous 4 seasons.

 

Garza trade was done by the previous FO...

[Guest]

I think The Logan thought the FO took over in 2010, I guess.

[Guest]

I can see how they could have come to similar valuations for those two. Stewart as a potential bounceback to league average 3B was debated to death here, and Headley was coming off his worst season, with an extremely high BABIP and up and down defensive numbers. They were obviously very wrong, but to me that's more about the costs involved.

 

Soto was still a league average catcher(if not more) in many people's eyes at that time, while McNutt was only just starting to show signs of trouble. Conversely Colvin and LeMahieu were both coming off horrible seasons and didn't look like MLB regulars. If you didn't have a very disparate opinion of Headley v. Stewart, trading Colvin/Lemahieu over Soto is a no-brainer.

 

But they were wrong, very wrong on the 3 MLB players involved. Headley bounced back, Stewart never took off, and Soto went in the tank. Sigh.

[Clem Fandango]

I think The Logan thought the FO took over in 2010, I guess.

 

I'm just a big ball of [expletive] today, that's all. I was switching back and forth between Stewart and Headleys BR pages, I saw the poor numbers for Stewart and assumed it was his first year for the Cubs, and Headley's similar counting stats for 2011, combined with... ugh, it's not worth it to explain. I fucked up. Time to take accountability for my lack of thoroughness.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

But they were wrong, very wrong on the 3 MLB players involved. Headley bounced back, Stewart never took off, and Soto went in the tank. Sigh.

 

Sorry. But I'm going to need more than just what ABTY says -- who I've learned is right sometimes and not so right a lot of other times -- to be doing a sigh over our front office being very wrong on three MLB players when this might all just be fantasy.

[Guest]

But they were wrong, very wrong on the 3 MLB players involved. Headley bounced back, Stewart never took off, and Soto went in the tank. Sigh.

 

Sorry. But I'm going to need more than just what ABTY says -- who I've learned is right sometimes and not so right a lot of other times -- to be doing a sigh over our front office being very wrong on three MLB players when this might all just be fantasy.

 

Well yeah, I'm not taking that info as gospel, there's an implicit "assuming that info is even true" to any discussion of hypothetical deals that were available.