Offseason Rumors

[hankp101]

Also Nick Franklin's future with the M's is now in question. I'd love for the Cubs to target him, too.

Given their weak outfield, I wonder if something built around shark+schierholtz is as appealing to them as price?

[KingCubsFan]

Also Nick Franklin's future with the M's is now in question. I'd love for the Cubs to target him, too.

Given their weak outfield, I wonder if something built around shark+schierholtz is as appealing to them as price?

Both of them is too much for Franklin, but Schierholz wouldn't be enough. Don't they need a SS? Maybe build around Nate + Barney?

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

[Boris]

Lake for Ackley.

 

OH GOD YES

[Rob]

Lake for Ackley.

 

Proposal or rumor?

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

 

I thought this was an actual thing for a second. Damnit. :banghead:

[hankp101]

Also Nick Franklin's future with the M's is now in question. I'd love for the Cubs to target him, too.

Given their weak outfield, I wonder if something built around shark+schierholtz is as appealing to them as price?

Both of them is too much for Franklin, but Schierholz wouldn't be enough. Don't they need a SS? Maybe build around Nate + Barney?

I wasn't thinking those two for Franklin, more thinking out loud if we might be able to build a package starting there that could net walker+Franklin.

[Infrequent Poster]

I was thinking Edwin Jackson and Schieholtz for Paxton and Ackley. But that was assuming the M's being frustrated with Paxton. And drunk.

[Clem Fandango]

Also Nick Franklin's future with the M's is now in question. I'd love for the Cubs to target him, too.

Given their weak outfield, I wonder if something built around shark+schierholtz is as appealing to them as price?

Both of them is too much for Franklin, but Schierholz wouldn't be enough. Don't they need a SS? Maybe build around Nate + Barney?

 

SS was Franklin's dominant position in the minors, though I'm not sure if his defense was any good there. They also have Brad Miller, who is a bit better offensively than Franklin, who played SS there after Brendan Ryan departed. So I'd imagine one of Franklin or Miller will be moved, but they have comparable offensive numbers, with Miller being a bit better, though he's also a year older and played lower levels at the same age as Franklin. Both of them were abler to put up rWAR's of 2.0 or higher in partial seasons this year. Honestly either one of them would be nice targets, and one of them has to go somewhere now.

 

Miller (24 in 2014):

2013 MLB: 76G 8HR 36RBI .265/.318/.418/.737 2.0 rWAR

2013 AA/AAA: 68G 12HR 53RBI .319/.399/.521/.920

2012 A+/AA: 137G 15HR 68RBI .334/.410/.512/.922

 

Franklin (23 in 2014):

2013 MLB: 102G 12HR 45RBI .225/.303/.382/.686 2.3 rWAR

2013 AAA: 39G 4HR 20RBI .324/.440/.472/.912

2012 AA/AAA: 121G 11HR 55RBI .278/.347/.453/.800

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

 

Proposal or rumor?

 

What I'd like to see, and to my limited mind it makes some sense that it could work.

[SouthSideRyan]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

[treebird]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

 

two guys in the outfield and seven guys on the infield is the new moneyball

[jersey cubs fan]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

 

Didn't they bring back Darnell McDonald?

[MWV]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

Ackley played about as many games in OF as Lake last season (59 to 56). As for trading Schierholtz, beats me.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

 

 

Vitters/Sweeney/Bogusevic

[Guest]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

 

 

I'm not sure if that's what you're saying, but it certainly wouldn't be both in this case. There's a number of ways you can go from a trade for Ackley/Franklin, especially since it doesn't do much materially to the payroll. You could still go big and sign Choo, you could sign more platoon OFs and piecemeal that way, there's a number of mid-range trade targets that have been bandied about, and if you were really desperate you can put Ackley in CF(not my recommendation). It would be nice if they could add an OF of some magnitude soon though, that would give a lot more flexibility than waiting until after you've traded Lake/Schierholtz and then finding out you want to add two OFs when the pickings are too slim.

[Tracer Bullet]

I get that we're not trying again this season, but we still need to have 3 OFs for each game. How do you who are trading Nate and Lake plan to fill out a lineup card?

 

Bryant, Almora, Soler

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

 

why would the cubs do that?

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

 

why would the cubs do that?

 

I would think you'd really like Ackley as a target. College bat with a great BB rate and some pop for a 2B plus a strong MLB season. He's had a couple down years, but that's why he's available and he's 26 next year. Lake would be selling high on his MLB time last year and his tools, plus the Mariners aren't going to trade Ackley without getting something that can help right away given their current situation.

[Derwood]

It's unbelievable that GM's have such short term memories and continue to hand out pants-on-head contracts.

[Guest]

Lake for Ackley.

 

why would the cubs do that?

 

I would think you'd really like Ackley as a target. College bat with a great BB rate and some pop for a 2B plus a strong MLB season. He's had a couple down years, but that's why he's available and he's 26 next year. Lake would be selling high on his MLB time last year and his tools, plus the Mariners aren't going to trade Ackley without getting something that can help right away given their current situation.

 

how is his outfield defense?

[jersey cubs fan]

It's unbelievable that GM's have such short term memories and continue to hand out pants-on-head contracts.

 

What is a pants-on-head contract?

 

GMs hand out contracts that their owners can afford. I don't see why we should worry about it.

[Guest]

It's unbelievable that GM's have such short term memories and continue to hand out pants-on-head contracts.

 

What is a pants-on-head contract?

 

GMs hand out contracts that their owners can afford. I don't see why we should worry about it.

 

Derwood wants the owners to keep more money.

[Rob]

Lake for Ackley.

 

why would the cubs do that?

 

I would think you'd really like Ackley as a target. College bat with a great BB rate and some pop for a 2B plus a strong MLB season. He's had a couple down years, but that's why he's available and he's 26 next year. Lake would be selling high on his MLB time last year and his tools, plus the Mariners aren't going to trade Ackley without getting something that can help right away given their current situation.

 

how is his outfield defense?

 

He hasn't played much out there, but UZR hates him in CF (-10.3 UZR/150). It likes him at 2B though (7.3 UZR/150).

 

I'd like him a lot better if he had any semblance of power. He had one decent half season for that, but the last two years his ISO has been in Darwin Barney territory.

[Derwood]

It's unbelievable that GM's have such short term memories and continue to hand out pants-on-head contracts.

 

What is a pants-on-head contract?

 

GMs hand out contracts that their owners can afford. I don't see why we should worry about it.

 

Derwood wants the owners to keep more money.

 

I want the owners to spend their money wisely, or cut overall spending a bit and drop ticket prices