2013-2014 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Guest]

So you think Boozer is worth his contract? He's not a bad player but he is definitely overpaid. I don't have time to dig up the stats or even know if they are available but the dude always seems to disappear in the big games, especially the playoffs. That is my biggest issue with him. I realize I am being meatballish here, but I wish he was gone so we could move on. But I'm not saying we should amnesty him or anything like that. That doesn't make sense right now.

 

Who gives a [expletive] if he is "overpaid?" (in reality, the game's best players are underpaid thanks to this cap nonsense).

 

What good does it do you (or the team) if he's making $4M/year less or something? Or do you think he "deserves" even less than that?

Do the words "salary cap" mean anything to you?

 

Yes, but I'm not sure you quite understand what it means.

[Old Style]

So you think Boozer is worth his contract? He's not a bad player but he is definitely overpaid. I don't have time to dig up the stats or even know if they are available but the dude always seems to disappear in the big games, especially the playoffs. That is my biggest issue with him. I realize I am being meatballish here, but I wish he was gone so we could move on. But I'm not saying we should amnesty him or anything like that. That doesn't make sense right now.

 

Who gives a [expletive] if he is "overpaid?" (in reality, the game's best players are underpaid thanks to this cap nonsense).

 

What good does it do you (or the team) if he's making $4M/year less or something? Or do you think he "deserves" even less than that?

Do the words "salary cap" mean anything to you?

 

Yes, but I'm not sure you quite understand what it means.

I know it means if we hadn't overpaid Boozer than we could have spent that money more wisely elsewhere. I realize there's nothing we can do about that now. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be upset that he's overpaid.

[Andy]

So you think Boozer is worth his contract? He's not a bad player but he is definitely overpaid. I don't have time to dig up the stats or even know if they are available but the dude always seems to disappear in the big games, especially the playoffs. That is my biggest issue with him. I realize I am being meatballish here, but I wish he was gone so we could move on. But I'm not saying we should amnesty him or anything like that. That doesn't make sense right now.

 

Who gives a [expletive] if he is "overpaid?" (in reality, the game's best players are underpaid thanks to this cap nonsense).

 

What good does it do you (or the team) if he's making $4M/year less or something? Or do you think he "deserves" even less than that?

Do the words "salary cap" mean anything to you?

 

Yes, but I'm not sure you quite understand what it means.

I know it means if we hadn't overpaid Boozer than we could have spent that money more wisely elsewhere. I realize there's nothing we can do about that now. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be upset that he's overpaid.

Who out of that 2010 FA class could we have spent the money on that would be better than Boozer?

[Old Style]

Do we have to spend all of it on one player? At a quick glance, Al Harrington wouldn''t have been bad. David Lee? Joe Johnson?

[Andy]

Do we have to spend all of it on one player? At a quick glance, Al Harrington wouldn''t have been bad.

If we split that money up among several mediocre players, that helps the Bulls in no way.

 

I admit to knowing nothing of Harrington's defense, but a quick glance at Basketball-Reference's Win Shares stats shows Boozer having about 3x the Win Shares of Harrington his first 2 years in Chicago, plus the fact that Harrington played 10 games last year vs. Boozer's 5.7 Win Shares.

[Guest]

Do we have to spend all of it on one player? At a quick glance, Al Harrington wouldn''t have been bad. David Lee? Joe Johnson?

 

Johnson never even hit the market and David Lee is more or less the same guy.

 

 

I don't really see how, after being spurned by the big 3, the 2010 offseason could've possibly been handled any better. They did an awesome job putting that team together after plans A and B fell apart.

Edited October 7, 2013 by David

[Andy]

Do we have to spend all of it on one player? At a quick glance, Al Harrington wouldn''t have been bad. David Lee? Joe Johnson?

 

Johnson never even hit the market and David Lee is more or less the same guy.

Not to mention I believe Lee is being paid even more because he was a sign-and-trade.

[Guest]

The gap in Win Shares between Lee and Boozer last year was the same as the gap between Boozer and Earl Clark. Replace Win Shares with PER and Earl Clark with Andrew Nicholson and that works as well.

 

Boozer went from being overpaid to bad and overpaid last year. There's reasons that may not be an irreversible trend, but you guys are also underselling how far he fell.

[SouthSideRyan]

And doesn't Joe Johnson cost like 80 bajillion dollars?

[Cubswin11]

And doesn't Joe Johnson cost like 80 bajillion dollars?

Yeah, he's the 5th highest paid player in the league ($21m + change) behind Kobe, Dirk, Melo and Amare. He has the most money guaranteed left on his contract than any of those guys though. The Big-3 FA offseason he actually ended up getting the biggest contract of any FA that offseason.

[UMFan83]

The gap in Win Shares between Lee and Boozer last year was the same as the gap between Boozer and Earl Clark. Replace Win Shares with PER and Earl Clark with Andrew Nicholson and that works as well.

 

Boozer went from being overpaid to bad and overpaid last year. There's reasons that may not be an irreversible trend, but you guys are also underselling how far he fell.

 

From what I understood, his drop in play directly was mostly tied his his decrease in shooting %, especially mid range shooting %. His shooting percentage likely dropped because he was taking more contested jumpers and more or less having to take more of a lead scorer role in the offense, especially when Noah and/or Deng would be out.

[Sammy Sofa]

The gap in Win Shares between Lee and Boozer last year was the same as the gap between Boozer and Earl Clark. Replace Win Shares with PER and Earl Clark with Andrew Nicholson and that works as well.

 

Boozer went from being overpaid to bad and overpaid last year. There's reasons that may not be an irreversible trend, but you guys are also underselling how far he fell.

 

You're overselling it pretty hard, largely for the reasons UMFan just mentioned. There's little to suggest that his numbers last year were based on a decline or drop off as opposed to the circumstances of Rose not being there and his role on the floor.

[imb]

That sounds like it makes sense in theory, but I'm not sure I buy it. It's probably a combination of both.

[Sammy Sofa]

That sounds like it makes sense in theory, but I'm not sure I buy it. It's probably a combination of both.

 

Given his age that seems likely.

[SpongeWorthy]

What if Butler is the #4 guy because Rose, Deng and Noah are all really good?

 

Can that team beat the Heat, Thunder, Spurs, or Rockets? If so, then don't trade for Aldridge. I just don't think they can be that good, but I'm willing to wait 5 months to find out.

 

In playoff crunch time, Deng and Noah can't be relied upon to score regularly. Jimmy maybe, but I want to see his development.

 

The Bulls are 64-18 the last 82 games Derrick Rose has played in, IIRC. That's basically the epitome of a team that has a core that should be going for it. Of course things can change and they could be proactive about making changes on the margins.

 

This team will be really, really good if Rose is Rose. 60+ wins, top 3 defense, and top 8ish (potentially better) offense.

[Wilson A2000]

What if Butler is the #4 guy because Rose, Deng and Noah are all really good?

 

Can that team beat the Heat, Thunder, Spurs, or Rockets? If so, then don't trade for Aldridge. I just don't think they can be that good, but I'm willing to wait 5 months to find out.

 

In playoff crunch time, Deng and Noah can't be relied upon to score regularly. Jimmy maybe, but I want to see his development.

 

The Bulls are 64-18 the last 82 games Derrick Rose has played in, IIRC. That's basically the epitome of a team that has a core that should be going for it. Of course things can change and they could be proactive about making changes on the margins.

 

This team will be really, really good if Rose is Rose. 60+ wins, top 3 defense, and top 8ish (potentially better) offense.

 

No doubt, but they really aren't close to winning a championship. They aren't better than the other teams I mentioned because they can't score with other top 5 teams in the playoffs in half court offenses.

[imb]

That's stupid. If Rose is 90% of what he was, they are close. Now that basketball is essentially a three-man game, one injury at the wrong time can make all the difference.

[SpongeWorthy]

What if Butler is the #4 guy because Rose, Deng and Noah are all really good?

 

Can that team beat the Heat, Thunder, Spurs, or Rockets? If so, then don't trade for Aldridge. I just don't think they can be that good, but I'm willing to wait 5 months to find out.

 

In playoff crunch time, Deng and Noah can't be relied upon to score regularly. Jimmy maybe, but I want to see his development.

 

The Bulls are 64-18 the last 82 games Derrick Rose has played in, IIRC. That's basically the epitome of a team that has a core that should be going for it. Of course things can change and they could be proactive about making changes on the margins.

 

This team will be really, really good if Rose is Rose. 60+ wins, top 3 defense, and top 8ish (potentially better) offense.

 

No doubt, but they really aren't close to winning a championship. They aren't better than the other teams I mentioned because they can't score with other top 5 teams in the playoffs in half court offenses.

 

This narrative is based on one playoff series from 3 seasons ago. And hell, that might have been nothing more than a young team entering the upper echelon for the first time and taking its lumps just like every other championship caliber team does.

[Sammy Sofa]

What if Butler is the #4 guy because Rose, Deng and Noah are all really good?

 

Can that team beat the Heat, Thunder, Spurs, or Rockets? If so, then don't trade for Aldridge. I just don't think they can be that good, but I'm willing to wait 5 months to find out.

 

In playoff crunch time, Deng and Noah can't be relied upon to score regularly. Jimmy maybe, but I want to see his development.

 

The Bulls are 64-18 the last 82 games Derrick Rose has played in, IIRC. That's basically the epitome of a team that has a core that should be going for it. Of course things can change and they could be proactive about making changes on the margins.

 

This team will be really, really good if Rose is Rose. 60+ wins, top 3 defense, and top 8ish (potentially better) offense.

 

No doubt, but they really aren't close to winning a championship. They aren't better than the other teams I mentioned because they can't score with other top 5 teams in the playoffs in half court offenses.

 

So you want them to just mix things up just because? Because the moves mentioned so far aren't gonna do [expletive] to change things if you're convinced those teams are basically unbeatable.

[SpongeWorthy]

Wondering if Taj continues to play well in the preseason Thibs will throw him into the starting lineup and make Boozer the de facto go to option for the 2nd unit.

 

Rose, Butler, Deng, Gibson, Noah would be sick defensively, could be good enough offensively if Rose is right and Gibson's offense is for real and would allow us to hide Boozer's D on (presumably) lesser offensive players. Biggest concern for this team outside of health is probably scoring punch off the bench.

[Banedon]

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[scarey]

Wondering if Taj continues to play well in the preseason Thibs will throw him into the starting lineup and make Boozer the de facto go to option for the 2nd unit.

 

Rose, Butler, Deng, Gibson, Noah would be sick defensively, could be good enough offensively if Rose is right and Gibson's offense is for real and would allow us to hide Boozer's D on (presumably) lesser offensive players. Biggest concern for this team outside of health is probably scoring punch off the bench.

 

I have felt this would be a great way to play this team since the playoff run in 2011. At the time, the bench mob had a tough time getting consistent offense. With how awesome a defender Asik was, I thought it made a lot of sense to put Boozer out there to score at will on opposing team's bench players and let Asik cover up his defensive short comings. I always wondered if it was a matter of keeping Boozer happy by starting him.

[seanimal]

joakim is just the best

 

http://instagram.com/p/fTGIcaxh7S

[Brian]

joakim is just the best

 

http://instagram.com/p/fTGIcaxh7S

 

There's few things in sports I want to see more than him celebrating a title with the Bulls.

[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive] Rose; this is Joakim's team.