Garza to Texas for CJ Edwards, Olt, Grimm & Neil Ramirez

[rawaction]

None of our top prospects are anywhere near close enough to make anyone else redundant. Especially not on the infield, where there's a lot of movement yet to be made in their positions.

 

No such thing as a redundant prospect in general. Half of them won't make it, and half of the ones that do will do so at a different than their projected position. The best problem the Cubs could have is if Olt, Bryant, and Baez are all viable options for 3B at the same time.

[Clem Fandango]

None of our top prospects are anywhere near close enough to make anyone else redundant. Especially not on the infield, where there's a lot of movement yet to be made in their positions.

 

Touché. If anything, adding Olt likely pushes Vitters off 3B finally and to LF, I'd imagine?

[dcvalpo]

None of our top prospects are anywhere near close enough to make anyone else redundant. Especially not on the infield, where there's a lot of movement yet to be made in their positions.

 

Touché. If anything, adding Olt likely pushes Vitters off 3B finally and to LF, I'd imagine?

 

Or out of the system all together.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

None of our top prospects are anywhere near close enough to make anyone else redundant. Especially not on the infield, where there's a lot of movement yet to be made in their positions.

 

No such thing as a redundant prospect in general. Half of them won't make it, and half of the ones that do will do so at a different than their projected position. The best problem the Cubs could have is if Olt, Bryant, and Baez are all viable options for 3B at the same time.

 

 

This and two more things. First, position prospects are "safer" than pitching prospects, so stockpile them. Second, if two of Baez, Olt and Bryant all out and we don't have room for the other one at SS, 2B or LF, then we can trade the other one for pitching or something we don't have. Betting on position prospects is the safer, smart move. Of course if we're offered an elite arm that's a day away from the majors, jump all over it. It's a matter of to what degree, but when in doubt error on the side of position prospects.

[davell]

According to Bowden, its Texas, Boston, Washington, Arizona, and Colorado as the teams on Garza, with Cleveland in to a lesser extent. Siting a source, he also says its 80-20 he's dealt before his next start.

[Iceblink]

Also, people had legitimate reasons to really like Olt last year...

 

b) His K% was the only serious red flag in his game, as he was able to hit for modest average, hit lots of homers, draw lots of walks, and play plus defense at a premium defensive position.

 

Add in the fact that we now have Kris Bryant and Olt becomes redundant in our system... but I'd rather have him than Vitters. Warts and all.

 

Agree he's redundant.

 

I would say 3B isn't a premium defensive position. If your choices at 3B are plus defense/average bat or plus bat/average defense, you take the bat 10 times out of 10.

 

If he's striking out around 30% of the time in AA as a 23/24 year old, that doesn't bode well for his ability to hit big league pitching.

[craig]

According to Bowden, its Texas, Boston, Washington, Arizona, and Colorado as the teams on Garza, with Cleveland in to a lesser extent. Siting a source, he also says its 80-20 he's dealt before his next start.

 

I'd take the 20 on that bet.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Colorado? lol

[Iceblink]

Colorado? lol

 

I chuckled, too.

 

But...I guess they're only 4.5 out. The more the merrier. If we wind up with Olt and throw in arms, I'll be a sad panda.

[ctcf]

After Brett Jackson, I'd rather stay away from that K rate.

[toonsterwu]

I've still got some mixed feelings about a Rangers trade. I guess Martin Perez would be a solid centerpiece IF we could get him (nice to see his velocity in the mid-90's this year, whereas there was some inconsistency in years past), but I can't help but have some concerns that he's just not a guy who's going to be a top pitcher. I guess I like Luke Jackson enough that it'd be a nice gamble (I have doubts that we could get Perez AND Jackson, but here's hoping), and I have liked power arms that held a similar profile to Jackson.

 

Actually, the arm that I am really intrigued with is CJ Edwards. Granted, A ball, but the track record has been really good for two years, and the reports on his stuff are really positive (iirc, hits mid-90's with a promising breaking ball ... granted, that was Jay Jackson once upon a time). He's not the main guy to a deal, but a 2nd or 3rd piece? Would be intriguing.

 

I guess, the current system seems like a bunch of solid to good guys, but there isn't a ton that really excites me in the upper levels. Still, it is for half a season of Garza.

[Elrhino]

The yo-yo values of Garza, Olt and Perez is pretty incredible roller coaster over the last 12-15 months. I've never been a huge fan of Perez, but a major league ready 22 year old lefty with that kind of stuff is a pretty good centerpiece for a 3 month rental of an injury prone pitcher.

[CubsWin]

The yo-yo values of Garza, Olt and Perez is pretty incredible roller coaster over the last 12-15 months. I've never been a huge fan of Perez, but a major league ready 22 year old lefty with that kind of stuff is a pretty good centerpiece for a 3 month rental of a recently injured pitcher.

Fixed.

[jersey cubs fan]

The yo-yo values of Garza, Olt and Perez is pretty incredible roller coaster over the last 12-15 months. I've never been a huge fan of Perez, but a major league ready 22 year old lefty with that kind of stuff is a pretty good centerpiece for a 3 month rental of a recently injured pitcher.

Fixed.

 

Curious what you mean by fixed. Are you saying it is not fair to call him injury prone? Or that recently injured is a more damning description.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Marlon Byrd? Wha? did we go back in time? Thought he was on the Mets or something.

 

He is. 2 separate deals.

 

Wording sounds like it could be a 3 way. Obviously, the Mets wouldn't have much need for Olt, but it could be interesting.

 

Then again, this could also be the same song and dance from November 2011-July 2012.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I had heard that the deal would be Olt and pitching, and the Cubs are thought to prefer at least one MLB ready pitcher included in the deal.

 

Also, this is a snip from the link. Perez would be a likely candidate, but could they instead take a page out of last year's play book and get Neftali Feliz, who's currently recovering from TJS?

[Guest]

I had heard that the deal would be Olt and pitching, and the Cubs are thought to prefer at least one MLB ready pitcher included in the deal.

 

Also, this is a snip from the link. Perez would be a likely candidate, but could they instead take a page out of last year's play book and get Neftali Feliz, who's currently recovering from TJS?

 

If they're going that route, they should try and get Yu Darvish.

[davell]

TR Sullivan, a Rangers beat writer, says Perez won't be dealt for Garza.

[Warpticon]

I dont understand Olt being the wet dream of everyone here at this time last year and now being a puddle of puke.

 

Last year he was a 23 year old 3B having a prodigious season in AA, and the Cubs were in desperate need of 3B production.

 

This year he's a 24 year old 3B who has struggled to hit at AAA for various reasons, and the Cubs have above average production at 3B.

 

Seems pretty easy to understand to me.

 

Also, people had legitimate reasons to really like Olt last year...

 

a) He hadn't imploded yet.

 

b) His K% was the only serious red flag in his game, as he was able to hit for modest average, hit lots of homers, draw lots of walks, and play plus defense at a premium defensive position.

 

c) The only true 3B prospect we had in the system was Josh Vitters, who everyone is pretty much down on in terms of him being a starting third baseman at the major league level long term.

 

d) The thought that Baez would have to move to third was squashed by analysts and scouts saying his defensive play at SS was above average, and he might eventually move Castro off the position to 2B (as Alcantara still had yet to prove if he was the real deal)

 

Add in the fact that we now have Kris Bryant and Olt becomes redundant in our system... but I'd rather have him than Vitters. Warts and all.

 

You can also add in that we didn't have Villanueva at that time (obviously), and that all our infield prospects, for the most parts, are one to two levels closer to the majors.

[Elrhino]

TR Sullivan, a Rangers beat writer, says Perez won't be dealt for Garza.

 

Then claims all the Rangers would give up are a couple of 24 year old pitchers in AA.

[CubsWin]

The yo-yo values of Garza, Olt and Perez is pretty incredible roller coaster over the last 12-15 months. I've never been a huge fan of Perez, but a major league ready 22 year old lefty with that kind of stuff is a pretty good centerpiece for a 3 month rental of a recently injured pitcher.

Fixed.

 

Curious what you mean by fixed. Are you saying it is not fair to call him injury prone? Or that recently injured is a more damning description.

This is the first and only time he's missed significant time in his career. That doesn't make a player injury prone.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's been on the DL in three consecutive seasons. That's got to be getting close to injury-pronishness.

[rawaction]

Isn't "injury prone pitcher" an oxymoron?

[jersey cubs fan]

The yo-yo values of Garza, Olt and Perez is pretty incredible roller coaster over the last 12-15 months. I've never been a huge fan of Perez, but a major league ready 22 year old lefty with that kind of stuff is a pretty good centerpiece for a 3 month rental of a recently injured pitcher.

Fixed.

 

Curious what you mean by fixed. Are you saying it is not fair to call him injury prone? Or that recently injured is a more damning description.

This is the first and only time he's missed significant time in his career. That doesn't make a player injury prone.

 

He's been injured multiple times in recent years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't "injury prone pitcher" an oxymoron?

 

I would go with redundant there.