Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[Guest]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22560534/os-rangers-giants-padres-dodgers-bosox-jays-more-may-play-on-garza

[Cubswin11]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22560534/os-rangers-giants-padres-dodgers-bosox-jays-more-may-play-on-garza

What do the Orioles have, other than Bundy (pipe dream but maybe the TJS surgery is enough to pry him) that would be a decent return? Would you build a package around Bundy+ for Samardzija(knowing how much Samardzija is going to cost soon)?

[Guest]

Would you build a package around Bundy+ for Samardzija(knowing how much Samardzija is going to cost soon)?

 

Hell [expletive] no.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Mentioned it earlier, but I like the Orioles young 2B/3B Nick Delmonico. Showing very good power this year and has a good approach. I don't know much about their pitching outside of Bundy/Gausman.

[Guest]

FWIW

 

@TroyRenck: #Rockies like Kevin Gregg. Are looking for a starter. Scouts are finishing up reports as team ramps up pursuit.

[toonsterwu]

Mentioned it earlier, but I like the Orioles young 2B/3B Nick Delmonico. Showing very good power this year and has a good approach. I don't know much about their pitching outside of Bundy/Gausman.

 

He's had a very impressive season, but I really want to wait to see how much of that power is sustainable. He's probably not going to be a high average hitter, and he's likely a 1st/3rd corner guy, so the power needs to be there.

 

That said, their prospect pitching is very thin past Bundy/Gausman, and neither guy seems like they'll be moved. Is there enough to piece together, on paper, from a fan's perspective, a decent deal for Garza? Probably, but it might be more quantity of solid quality than higher quality players.

[toonsterwu]

Give me Skaggs, Bradley, Eaton, Holmberg, and Davidson. Assuming Arizona laughs, just extend him and be happy. Then go get him some longterm rotation help.

 

I'd say there's about a 0.0001% chance Shark gets dealt, because it'd likely take something fairly close to that to make us trade him.

 

 

What if they come back with Skaggs/Bradley and one of the other 3 whoever you prefer? That's pretty tempting to me.

 

Guess I'll toss in my 2 cents on a Samardzija trade possibility.

 

I'm open to it. It'd take a big deal, but I still have a tough time creating plausible scenarios that put the Cubs in WS contention in, say, 2 years. The glut of prospects are in the A ball ranks, and while I think Castro and Rizzo are better than they are performing this year, it's not as if we several core pieces in place already. Shark has been superb, but if you get a chance to get 3-4 quality pieces for him ... I think you have to consider it. In 2 years, Shark is 30 and likely would've logged a ton of innings over those two years if he stays healthy. The best case scenario would have Baez/Soler/Almora hitting/close to hitting the majors. It's hard to imagine that the youngsters would gel in their first year or two to make us a legitimate threat in 2015.

 

There are very few teams that I think could realistically pull off a 1v1 (team wise) trade. The Diamondbacks, though ... would be tempting. You would absolutely have to have Skaggs/Bradley. I think you would almost need Holmberg as a lock there for me to really like the deal. If you move Samardzija, the point should be to get the best quality possible, but ideally, you'd try to address your pitching needs as fast as possible. Their pitching depth would fit perfectly.

 

To be clear, it would have to be a big package, and as such, I really don't expect a deal happening. There's enough arms out there that teams can probably find other pieces. I mean, in Arizona's case, they have the pieces, but my guess is that they could probably get a deal for a separate top arm, for perhaps someone like Garza, without giving up both top arms (and maybe they can find a deal for an arm without giving up Skaggs/Bradley at all).

[Guest]

There is not going to be a perfect storm where all the best assets are years from free agency. If you're making a trade, you do it to make the immediate future better. The only way to do that by trading Samardzija is to just get an absurd package in return that will not happen in a jillion years. You get to where you want by aiming for players closer to the big leagues than Nick Delmonico with your trading currency, not by trading Samardzija because there's a chance he might leave you with only a first round pick after several more seasons of ace quality pitching.

[toonsterwu]

TT, was that a response to me? Because my point really was more that, in 2-3 years time, when the team might be closer to competing, Samardzija would've likely logged a ton of innings over that span. Thus, combined with his age (physical age still does matter some ... it's not like he never got dinged up playing football) and the likely wear and tear of these 4-5 years (this year/last year and 14/15), there seems to be potentially a slight chance that he might be near/past his peak.

 

Anyhow, either way, I think we're in agreement that the chances of that big package seem rather slim.

[Guest]

My point is that the time horizon is not 2-3 years, unless you're doing things like trading Samardzija, then it's forever 2-3 years.

[Guest]

ChicagoCubsOnline ‏@TheCCO 4m

RT @nickcafardo Heavy traffic on #Cubs righty Matt Garza. Should be dealt well ahead of trade deadline according to major league source.

[Guest]

I know we hate Carroll, but just for discussion:

 

Will Carroll ‏@injuryexpert 9m

I think @benrogers just nailed it. Cost for Garza = cost for Greinke last year. I remember raves about Segura. Cubs can only hope for that!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm wondering if we want int'l pool money as a small part of the return and are waiting for the 2nd.

[Guest]

I'm wondering if we want int'l pool money as a small part of the return and are waiting for the 2nd.

 

@BenBadler: Pool $ potential RT @nickcafardo Heavy traffic on Cubs righty Matt Garza. Should be dealt well ahead of trade deadline according to source.

 

With Ben Badler and Kiley McDaniel hiring that the Cubs have overextended themselves on $$ offers in the international free agent market, I believe that's a priority.

[Cubswin11]

So what would be a team willing to trade pool money, has guys comparable to the Greinke trade (aka near or at major league young talent), and a need for Garza. The Royals seem to be the best fit, imo. Also I wonder if they'd try and put B. Jax in a trade with him to clear a 40-man spot?

[Guest]

I'm wondering if we want int'l pool money as a small part of the return and are waiting for the 2nd.

 

@BenBadler: Pool $ potential RT @nickcafardo Heavy traffic on Cubs righty Matt Garza. Should be dealt well ahead of trade deadline according to source.

 

With Ben Badler and Kiley McDaniel hiring that the Cubs have overextended themselves on $$ offers in the international free agent market, I believe that's a priority.

 

FWIW

 

For those hoping that the Cubs will trade for international pool money, Sahadev Sharma writes that that does not seem to be a priority according to Theo Epstein. ""Maybe," Epstein said about the possibility of acquiring more space via trade. "It's not a huge priority, but we have a strategy with respect to (international free agency), we'll execute it. It doesn't necessarily require us adding pool space."

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2013/06/cubs-rumor-thread-cubs-scouting-jays-nats-heavily-both-teams-saw-garzas-dominant-start/

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's exactly what Epstein would say if he were scrambling to find the money to pay all the IFAs he'd promised.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm wondering if we want int'l pool money as a small part of the return and are waiting for the 2nd.

 

@BenBadler: Pool $ potential RT @nickcafardo Heavy traffic on Cubs righty Matt Garza. Should be dealt well ahead of trade deadline according to source.

 

With Ben Badler and Kiley McDaniel hiring that the Cubs have overextended themselves on $$ offers in the international free agent market, I believe that's a priority.

 

FWIW

 

For those hoping that the Cubs will trade for international pool money, Sahadev Sharma writes that that does not seem to be a priority according to Theo Epstein. ""Maybe," Epstein said about the possibility of acquiring more space via trade. "It's not a huge priority, but we have a strategy with respect to (international free agency), we'll execute it. It doesn't necessarily require us adding pool space."

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2013/06/cubs-rumor-thread-cubs-scouting-jays-nats-heavily-both-teams-saw-garzas-dominant-start/

 

 

negotiating

 

this is what you do in business

[treebird]

I'm wondering if we want int'l pool money as a small part of the return and are waiting for the 2nd.

 

@BenBadler: Pool $ potential RT @nickcafardo Heavy traffic on Cubs righty Matt Garza. Should be dealt well ahead of trade deadline according to source.

 

With Ben Badler and Kiley McDaniel hiring that the Cubs have overextended themselves on $$ offers in the international free agent market, I believe that's a priority.

 

FWIW

 

For those hoping that the Cubs will trade for international pool money, Sahadev Sharma writes that that does not seem to be a priority according to Theo Epstein. ""Maybe," Epstein said about the possibility of acquiring more space via trade. "It's not a huge priority, but we have a strategy with respect to (international free agency), we'll execute it. It doesn't necessarily require us adding pool space."

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2013/06/cubs-rumor-thread-cubs-scouting-jays-nats-heavily-both-teams-saw-garzas-dominant-start/

 

 

negotiating

 

this is what you do in business

 

if we don't trade for additional pool space we'll just write the extra guys off

[RammyFanny]

you don't even know what a writeoff is.

[SouthSideRyan]

TT, was that a response to me? Because my point really was more that, in 2-3 years time, when the team might be closer to competing, Samardzija would've likely logged a ton of innings over that span.

 

Closer to possibly competing by 2016? Let's reel in those expectations a bit.

[toonsterwu]

TT, was that a response to me? Because my point really was more that, in 2-3 years time, when the team might be closer to competing, Samardzija would've likely logged a ton of innings over that span.

 

Closer to possibly competing by 2016? Let's reel in those expectations a bit.

 

Okay. I have a hard time seeing the organization build up enough assets to compete in 2014. 2015 seems possible, but trying to push for a playoff spot in 2016 seems a bit more realistic to me right now.

[Tryptamine]

TT, was that a response to me? Because my point really was more that, in 2-3 years time, when the team might be closer to competing, Samardzija would've likely logged a ton of innings over that span.

 

Closer to possibly competing by 2016? Let's reel in those expectations a bit.

 

Okay. I have a hard time seeing the organization build up enough assets to compete in 2014. 2015 seems possible, but trying to push for a playoff spot in 2016 seems a bit more realistic to me right now.

 

There is no excuse for it to take 4 years just to compete for a playoff spot. If that's the case then Theo and Jed have failed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There is no excuse for it to take 4 years just to compete for a playoff spot. If that's the case then Theo and Jed have failed.

 

I mean, we can point fingers as much as we want (and believe me, I'd be glad to), but I think if you realistically evaluate where this team is in terms of talent, farm system and contract situations, 2014 is an uphill battle. And 2015 will involve leaving some key spots open, hopefully, for some very talented rookies.

 

The paths to contention any earlier involve having a whole lot of players bust out to the highest percentiles of their projections or suddenly coming up with a ton more payroll than we've been spending.

[Guest]

TT, was that a response to me? Because my point really was more that, in 2-3 years time, when the team might be closer to competing, Samardzija would've likely logged a ton of innings over that span.

 

Closer to possibly competing by 2016? Let's reel in those expectations a bit.

 

Okay. I have a hard time seeing the organization build up enough assets to compete in 2014. 2015 seems possible, but trying to push for a playoff spot in 2016 seems a bit more realistic to me right now.

 

There is no excuse for it to take 4 years just to compete for a playoff spot. If that's the case then Theo and Jed have failed.

 

and billionaire Tom should at that point be ashamed of himself. there's no reason to treat the cubs like a small-market team.

 

quite frankly, this whole Ricketts era kind of reads like one of the last two ASOIAF novels. if he's such a fan, he needs to spend some money and try to win, rather than meandering around the Riverlands for 500 pages.

 

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