Castro

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bob will chastise him at the next opportunity he has.

I'm calling Hendry's office now.

[sontensei]

I looked at the stats, and have watched every game this year and he is the most disappointing guy to me.

 

Nobody is happy with his offensive production right not; needlessly bumping him to a new fulltime defensive position doesn't seem like the smartest way to try and kick start his production. Despite your histrionics over last night's loss, he's not some kind of defensive liability that needs to be moved.

 

your probably right, i just wanna see baez.

[Rex Buckingham]

I looked at the stats, and have watched every game this year and he is the most disappointing guy to me.

 

Nobody is happy with his offensive production right not; needlessly bumping him to a new fulltime defensive position doesn't seem like the smartest way to try and kick start his production. Despite your histrionics over last night's loss, he's not some kind of defensive liability that needs to be moved.

 

your probably right, i just wanna see baez.

 

That's your solution to improving the offense? Call up a guy who struck out at a record pace last year and hasn't proven anything to replace a guy who for all of his struggles this year has proven that he is a decent major league hitter at the very least?

[sontensei]

Not exactly personally dont think Baez can be any worse than Coghlan and KB needs to goto left.

[Sammy Sofa]

Not exactly personally dont think Baez can be any worse than Coghlan and KB needs to goto left.

 

BAEZ WAS WORSE THAN COGHLAN.

 

Christ, I get what you're saying, but you keep acting like they have to make all kinds of ridiculous moves to try and fit these guys on the team and they don't. Baez has had a decent stretch lately, but there's little need to rush him back after how catastrophically bad he was. Let him keep getting better, then start playing him at 3B and/or LF and then bring him up if he keeps it up. Worst case scenario they end up getting an extra year of control on him, which helps if they end up keeping him or trading him.

[sontensei]

Not exactly personally dont think Baez can be any worse than Coghlan and KB needs to goto left.

 

BAEZ WAS WORSE THAN COGHLAN.

 

Christ, I get what you're saying, but you keep acting like they have to make all kinds of ridiculous moves to try and fit these guys on the team and they don't. Baez has had a decent stretch lately, but there's little need to rush him back after how catastrophically bad he was. Let him keep getting better, then start playing him at 3B and/or LF and then bring him up if he keeps it up. Worst case scenario they end up getting an extra year of control on him, which helps if they end up keeping him or trading him.

 

 

Assuming he comes up in June/July when he would have an extra year of control, i still dont see how you justify keeping castro at SS

[Sammy Sofa]

Assuming he comes up in June/July when he would have an extra year of control, i still dont see how you justify keeping castro at SS

 

Because Castro's probably better at SS than 3B and they're trying to get Russell comfortable at 2B. Baez seemingly has a stronger arm, so why can't he play 3B?

[sontensei]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

[Sammy Sofa]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

 

The difference between them is likely negligible enough that it's nowhere near the problem you desperately want it to be. Castro isn't playing even remotely close to being bad enough that he needs to be moved off of SS. And, again, if someone has to go to 3B, wouldn't you want it to be the guy who probably has the better arm?

[Guest]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

 

The difference between them is likely negligible enough that it's nowhere near the problem you desperately want it to be. Castro isn't playing even remotely close to being bad enough that he needs to be moved off of SS. And, again, if someone has to go to 3B, wouldn't you want it to be the guy who probably has the better arm?

You need a stronger arm for SS than 3B

[Sammy Sofa]

You're determined to see Castro as a horrible player, but he's established himself at SS just fine for years, and players like that typically don't get bumped unless the replacement is a God-mode-level improvement or they get traded. You're pining for something that doesn't typically happen and doesn't need to happen for these players, and the team, to succeed.

[Sammy Sofa]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

 

The difference between them is likely negligible enough that it's nowhere near the problem you desperately want it to be. Castro isn't playing even remotely close to being bad enough that he needs to be moved off of SS. And, again, if someone has to go to 3B, wouldn't you want it to be the guy who probably has the better arm?

You need a stronger arm for SS than 3B

 

Depends on the play.

[abuck1220]

castro needs to be moved off ss to punish him for being a bad hitter lately. duh.

[Guest]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

 

The difference between them is likely negligible enough that it's nowhere near the problem you desperately want it to be. Castro isn't playing even remotely close to being bad enough that he needs to be moved off of SS. And, again, if someone has to go to 3B, wouldn't you want it to be the guy who probably has the better arm?

You need a stronger arm for SS than 3B

 

Depends on the play.

As a rule.

 

Not only are the longest throws longer from SS than 3B, but the ball also takes longer to get to the SS, leaving him less time to get the ball to 1B.

[sontensei]

dont you want your best athlete / defender at SS? if you put those 3 guys next to each other, you cant say Castro has better D/quickness/athleticism than either Russell or Baez

 

The difference between them is likely negligible enough that it's nowhere near the problem you desperately want it to be. Castro isn't playing even remotely close to being bad enough that he needs to be moved off of SS. And, again, if someone has to go to 3B, wouldn't you want it to be the guy who probably has the better arm?

You need a stronger arm for SS than 3B

 

Depends on the play.

 

At the end of the day none of us are Joe, Theo, or the cubs organization just nerds who like the cubs alot.

But yah personally I feel that Castro needs to put in a lot of work to get back the level of play those great stats you guys told me to look at would implicate especially hitting in the 4 hole.

[Guest]

Mostly irrelevant, though. All three guys have plenty of arm for each position.

[Sammy Sofa]

Plus it seems like plenty of people have talked about both Baez and (especially) Russell as being likely to bulk up as they get older.

[sontensei]

castro needs to be moved off ss to punish him for being a bad hitter lately. duh.

 

i think he needs to be moved off of SS for a better athlete

[Guest]

Also mostly irrelevant because, as has been said, established players just don't get moved off their position for rookies unless there is a vast difference in defensive abilities.

[Sammy Sofa]

especially hitting in the 4 hole.

 

Nobody would have a problem with him hitting further down in the lineup. You're the one extrapolating that to "he's not hitting well, so he needs to be moved off of SS because they can't find room for Baez otherwise" which is right up there with that guy who thought Darwin Barney was somehow blocking David DeJesus.

[Sammy Sofa]

castro needs to be moved off ss to punish him for being a bad hitter lately. duh.

 

i think he needs to be moved off of SS for a better athlete

 

There's not nearly the difference in their defensive abilities that you think there is.

[jersey cubs fan]

castro needs to be moved off ss to punish him for being a bad hitter lately. duh.

 

i think he needs to be moved off of SS for a better athlete

 

Szczur was a 2-sport star!

[Deeg]

Also mostly irrelevant because, as has been said, established players just don't get moved off their position for rookies unless there is a vast difference in defensive abilities.

 

Which there clearly is between Russell and Castro. Baez is a better SS too, but Russell is clearly the best of the three. A few errors made playing out of position don't change that - it's like saying Mirotic sucks based on what he did when Thibs had him playing SF.

 

The issue with Castro is this is the guy's entire career repeating itself. He alternates between being pretty decent and awful offensively, and he's never better than average defensively. What gets people upset is seeing guys with more talent and way more upside moved around to accommodate a player who's one of the most maddening in the game. Is Castro a decent SS, talking offense and defense into account and the paucity of SS who can hit? Yes, when he's not in one of his extended funks as he is now - but Russell and Baez have the potential to be so, so much better.

Edited May 20, 2015 by Deeg

[sontensei]

even with the small sample size Russells UZR is way better than Castros

[Guest]

why are you guys having this argument with this dude?

 

just let him keep starting threads and when he makes dumb arguments ignore them.