Rick Renteria Named New Cubs Manager

[Guest]

Camp's xFIP is clouded by the fact that no one bothers with three true outcomes when they can hit line drives all over the park at their leisure. To speak nothing of the fact that Bowden has better stuff, age, team control, and probably the ability to juggle all on his side.

[davell]

Theo could've helped by not leaving Camp on the roster and keeping Bowden around. Still inexplicable why they have Camp waiting as Russell's handcuff and then no one for when Camp inevitably gets torched.

If Bowden gets dealt, instead of claimed, I'm fine with it. Otherwise, even if they're close to the same guy, you stick with the younger one.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

What the hell could they possibly get for Bowden besides the fringiest prospect ever? IFA space?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Camp's xFIP is clouded by the fact that no one bothers with three true outcomes when they can hit line drives all over the park at their leisure. To speak nothing of the fact that Bowden has better stuff, age, team control, and probably the ability to juggle all on his side.

 

Line drive percentage:

Camp 15.8%

Bowden 25.5%

 

I don't see much difference between their stuff. Bowden has a better (but still bad) fastball, while Camp has better breaking stuff.

 

Age and team control is irrelevant for completely worthless pieces who have no long-term value, which equally describe both Camp and Bowden.

 

I certainly hope Camp is replaced as soon as possible, but Bowden is super terrible and completely deserving of his DFA.

[davell]

What the hell could they possibly get for Bowden besides the fringiest prospect ever? IFA space?

IFA space is exactly what I want. Right now, if we've got the money to basically go get the two top guys and we're looking to add impact, I'd love to scrounge around and find enough to add a third premiere talent. If Bowden somehow gets us 300-400k towards that, I'd be very happy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why does this keep coming up?

 

Nobody is giving you 1/4th of their IFA space for Michael Bowden.

 

Imagine something you want. By the virtue of the fact that you want it, it is beyond the trade value of Michael Bowden.

[davell]

One, teams have varying IFA allotments. Some slots aren't even worth 200k. Two, some teams don't spend money down there to begin with. Three, there aren't many bullpen arms available at this point and time and there are teams currently looking. Four, Bowden has put up a relatively decent ERA since the middle of last season. Five, there are still dumbasses that may think that matters that actually run baseball teams. Six, after seeing what Arizona gave up for Tony Campana, its entirely plausible to think a team that won't likely spend their entire allotment anyway, could trade a small portion of it for what they perceive could be a bandaid of a bullpen piece. Personally, I thought Raley getting pulled from his starr today could have been for the same reason. I think its pretty reasonable to think acquiring a fringe major leaguer appeals to some teams over a crapshoot on 16 year olds. Our situation though, trying to get impact guys down there, makes it very easy to see why we'd look at it in the opposite way. Its just a difference in how to allocate money.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Campana had some positive value at the major league level. Bowden is the replaciest replacement level pitcher who ever replaced.

 

Not to mention, I don't think IFA money can be traded until July 2. Unless there's a way to pre-agree or something.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Theo could've helped by not leaving Camp on the roster and keeping Bowden around. Still inexplicable why they have Camp waiting as Russell's handcuff and then no one for when Camp inevitably gets torched.

 

Does the manager have some degree of impact on these decisions? I'd have to assume that he's at least consulted. I know Lou did.

[jersey cubs fan]

Theo could've helped by not leaving Camp on the roster and keeping Bowden around. Still inexplicable why they have Camp waiting as Russell's handcuff and then no one for when Camp inevitably gets torched.

 

Does the manager have some degree of impact on these decisions? I'd have to assume that he's at least consulted. I know Lou did.

 

A celebrity manager like Lou and Dusty is probably going to have quite a bit of say, but the front office makes final decision on such a move. And in the case of Theo/Jed vs Sveum, the manager's opinion probably doesn't matter.

[abuck1220]

i don't really care who got dumped between two crummy pitchers. the biggest issue was sveum's comical mismanaging of the bullpen last night. whether it was bowden or camp who took over for the guy who is by far the team's best reliever after one batter, it was a horrendous decision.

[jersey cubs fan]

i don't really care who got dumped between two crummy pitchers. the biggest issue was sveum's comical mismanaging of the bullpen last night. whether it was bowden or camp who took over for the guy who is by far the team's best reliever after one batter, it was a horrendous decision.

 

I was curious why Rondon was in there in the first place, and Villanueva was nowhere to be seen. Russell is good and all, but you don't wait until the bases are loaded to bring the guy in.

[abuck1220]

that was obviously a perfect situation to bring villanueva in for his first relief appearance. let him handle the 6th and 7th, russell in the 8th.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Even after tonight:

 

Bowden 5.00 xFIP

Camp 4.66 xFIP

 

I don't get the teeth-gnashing over this one. They could have flipped a coin, they're both equally worthless.

 

To me, it's more about the nature of the situation. Epstein's been preaching the youth movement from day one. With this in mind, when choosing between two guys who fill similar roles, the younger one who could contribute long term should be a no brainer. As for Bowden himself, there are several guys between AA-AAA who could step in and offer what he does, so it's more the principle of the matter than fretting about Bowden.

If we do hang on to Bowden, maybe we should give him a look as a starter in AAA. Weren't they thinking about it in the offseason?

[Little Slide Rooter]

that was obviously a perfect situation to bring villanueva in for his first relief appearance. let him handle the 6th and 7th, russell in the 8th.

 

Yeah. He hasn't pitched since the 14th, so I'm not sure what they were saving him for. Meanwhile, they still had 3 competent guys in Russell, Fujikawa, and Gregg for the end game. The 6th inning with a 3 run lead is exactly when you bring in a guy like Villanueva who can give you multiple innings if needed. There was no reason to go with the dregs at that point. But the bigger offense was Dale again using his best overall reliever as a LOOGY.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

It's still boggling my mind why the plan before the start of the game wasn't to piggyback with Villanueva. Even if Garza had sucked and lasted 3 innings.

[davell]

Oh well, Badler confirmed IFA money can't be dealt for until July 2nd. I thought it was available now, so unless it can be used as a PTBNL, we won't be getting any for Bowden. I do think he'll get dealt still though.

[Guest]

Oh well, Badler confirmed IFA money can't be dealt for until July 2nd. I thought it was available now, so unless it can be used as a PTBNL, we won't be getting any for Bowden. I do think he'll get dealt still though.

 

Ben Badler already mentioned you can't trade IFA cap space until 7/2 in his big write up about a month ago. It's thought the commissioner believes a date like that would limit how much cap space would actually be traded.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh well, Badler confirmed IFA money can't be dealt for until July 2nd. I thought it was available now, so unless it can be used as a PTBNL, we won't be getting any for Bowden. I do think he'll get dealt still though.

 

Ben Badler already mentioned you can't trade IFA cap space until 7/2 in his big write up about a month ago. It's thought the commissioner believes a date like that would limit how much cap space would actually be traded.

 

If Reinsdorf wanted to further limit how much cap space could be traded, why didn't he set it at that level? This entire CBA is just mind-numbing.

[Hawk4Hall]

Granted the bullpen is pretty bad, but so has Sveum's management of it.

[Hawk4Hall]

FYI...Sveum is currently 79-128 as the manager of the Cubs.

[Guest]

FYI...Sveum is currently 79-128 as the manager of the Cubs.

 

So? Have you seen the rosters he's worked with?

[illiniguy]

FYI...Sveum is currently 79-128 as the manager of the Cubs.

 

So? Have you seen the rosters he's worked with?

Ryno would have been undefeated. TWTW

[bhogg]

FYI...Sveum is currently 79-128 as the manager of the Cubs.

 

So? Have you seen the rosters he's worked with?

Ryno would have been undefeated. TWTW

 

 

 

 

To be honest, my son probably wouldn't have done any better with the pen, but he's only 9

[Hawk4Hall]

FYI...Sveum is currently 79-128 as the manager of the Cubs.

 

So? Have you seen the rosters he's worked with?

His management of the bullpen is as bad as Dusty's management of the starting rotation.

 

Sveum is a moron when it comes to that.