NBA Playoff Thread

[wolf stansson]

You mean to say he moves the ball more and doesn't slow down the offense like a traditional ISO alpha dog.

[mul21]

You mean to say he moves the ball more and doesn't slow down the offense like a traditional ISO alpha dog.

 

I'm not talking just on offense. His defensive ability off the ball is amazing and he just seems to float pretty often when he could be making plays. The blocked shots he makes from seemingly out of nowhere seem to happen most often in one of the runs like they made last night where his effort is amped up.

[illiniguy]

You mean to say he moves the ball more and doesn't slow down the offense like a traditional ISO alpha dog.

Like in '91 when that selfish MJ averaged only 11 assists per game in the finals? Or for his career when he averaged 6 assists per game in the finals? Share the ball.

 

If MJ was a cardinal you'd still be giving him random standing ovations. IN fact you would have probably all went to Illinois games a few years ago to cheer him when he showed up to watch Jeffrey. So like twice.

[sneakypower]

a) yep you definitely don't know what a choke is

 

b) they have like a 50% chance of winning

 

Or 98.6%.

 

you were close though. only missed by like 50%.

 

When abuck said that, they did have ~50% chance of winning because overtime had just started.

maybe verb tenses are backwards in australia too like toilet flushes

[Exile on Waveland]

ESPN's bottom line just said the Spurs had a 98.6% win probability at the time in which it was being discussed if the Spurs "choked" or not, fwiw

 

Of course they choked. Saying otherwise is absurd anti-meatbalism that has swung too far in the opposite direction.

 

This is crazy. If ray allen doesnt drill that 3 then the spurs gut out a win a championship. The ball came off the rim like it did and the heatmade the shots when they got the second chance. Lebron missed that first three so bad that good rebounding position became bad rebounding position and Bosh made a nice play to get the board and the ball to ray allen for the game tying three.

 

Two guys going 1-2 from the line down the stretch is not an epic choke job. Compare the likelihood of two guys going 1-2 from the line (which is a probability dead heat with going 2-2) and the unliklihood of what happened on the other end of the floor.

 

Crazy, huh? I'd say 98.6 percent speaks for itself.

[Formerly Snayke]

I'm not surprised that this is pretty much pr0n for you, but get freaking real. Do you think your hero Michael was invincible in the Finals? (Spoiler: he was not)

 

Yes I do. He was 24-11 in the finals. Averaged 34/6/6 with superior efficiency for a high volume guard and won mvp in every appearence. I dont understand your point, if he wasnt invincible in the finals who bested him?

 

I hate to break this to you, but Michael had clunkers in the Finals. I realize saying this seems like an affront to you personally, or that I'm somehow downplaying his greatness, or I'm saying that someone has been better, but it's none of those things. It's a matter of fact. Every player has bad Finals games, but Jordan apologists zero in on LeBron's because they are so insecure that someone, somewhere is going to think LeBron may be better, even though he's not.

[Formerly Snayke]

What an epic choke by the Spurs. They should have put the Heat away, but now face a Game 7 that I think they will crumble in.

 

Whats sad is I dont even think the questions about Lebron will stop after this final. This is a guy who's been good but not great for at least half of this series. When you set high expections 'not 1 not 2' and have 'The Chosen One' tattooed on your back, you kinda expect more then what we've seen.

 

I'm not surprised that this is pretty much pr0n for you, but get freaking real. Do you think your hero Michael was invincible in the Finals? (Spoiler: he was not)

 

He was as close to invincible as a human being could get. That is unless the GOAT comes along in a few years and wins 6 titles by sweeping his opponent all while clearly being the best player on the court and in the world.

 

Do you have a Google alert set to "michael jordan diss"?

[Banedon]

I'm not surprised that this is pretty much pr0n for you, but get freaking real. Do you think your hero Michael was invincible in the Finals? (Spoiler: he was not)

 

Yes I do. He was 24-11 in the finals. Averaged 34/6/6 with superior efficiency for a high volume guard and won mvp in every appearence. I dont understand your point, if he wasnt invincible in the finals who bested him?

 

I hate to break this to you, but Michael had clunkers in the Finals. I realize saying this seems like an affront to you personally, or that I'm somehow downplaying his greatness, or I'm saying that someone has been better, but it's none of those things. It's a matter of fact. Every player has bad Finals games, but Jordan apologists zero in on LeBron's because they are so insecure that someone, somewhere is going to think LeBron may be better, even though he's not.

 

I guess it depends on what you consider a clunker. Granted, my source here is bleacherreport...but...

 

No. 1 Jordan worst – After winning the first three in a row of the 1996 Finals the Bulls came out sluggish in game four leading to the first of two straight losses. Jordan looked a grizzled 33 years old in his worst ever finals game. He only shot 6 of 19 from the field and he made 11 of 13 free throws but he did miss both his three attempts. He only had three rebounds and two assists with one steal. His four turnovers and three fouls with 23 points in a loss, made this the worst Jordan ever played in the finals, which ain’t really that bad compared to… you know who! Ha ha ha

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/401688-mjs-top-10-best-and-best-worst-finals-appearances

[Guest]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

[Banedon]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

 

http://i.imgur.com/B8Aar64.png

[ConstableRabbit]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

People aren't finding fault with LeBron's play as a whole; they're finding fault with his play at the end of the game where he committed 2 awful TOs with the game on the line.

[SouthSideRyan]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

 

http://i.imgur.com/B8Aar64.png

 

Says the guy 3 Finals appearances behind Lebron

[Ryne Ween]

I hate to break this to you, but Michael had clunkers in the Finals. I realize saying this seems like an affront to you personally, or that I'm somehow downplaying his greatness, or I'm saying that someone has been better, but it's none of those things. It's a matter of fact. Every player has bad Finals games, but Jordan apologists zero in on LeBron's because they are so insecure that someone, somewhere is going to think LeBron may be better, even though he's not.

 

Its ok dude, im not taking the fact that MJ didnt play great in every finals appearance as a personal affront. It sucks to have to live with those games in seattle hanging over my head though.

[Ryne Ween]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

 

I dont know what Game Score means but its pretty impressive that roughly half of MJ's finals games were better than that.

[wolf stansson]

You mean to say he moves the ball more and doesn't slow down the offense like a traditional ISO alpha dog.

Like in '91 when that selfish MJ averaged only 11 assists per game in the finals? Or for his career when he averaged 6 assists per game in the finals? Share the ball.

 

If MJ was a cardinal you'd still be giving him random standing ovations. IN fact you would have probably all went to Illinois games a few years ago to cheer him when he showed up to watch Jeffrey. So like twice.

Yo, what on earth are you talking about? You know I'm like, a crazy Bulls fan, right? *Don't get the fact that I'm not a dumb rube who believes they're better than they are and criticizes their personnel shortcomings twisted; I am a huge Bulls fan. I care more about the Bulls than the Cardinals by quite a bit.

 

Not to mention the fact that I didn't say anything about Michael Jordan. If I did, it would be something like, "Michael Jordan is such a uniquely impressive and successful competitor that we need to just eliminate him from the LeBron (and every other active player) conversation until further notice because it's not a fair comparison."

 

You need to stop participating in this thread if you're going to take LeBron's success and admirable basketball abilities like an attack on your close personal friend, Michael Jordan. What you do need to do is get a grip and have some [expletive] perspective when you're discussing basketball.

 

Evaluate the player. LeBron moves the ball more than a traditional ISO scoring wing player. Period. No one who knows anything about basketball would disagree with that. What does that have to do with how he compares to Michael Jordan as a "winner?" Nothing, you moron. It just says they are different types of players.

 

*It's entirely possible you put zero context of my posting history into this reply and you had no idea that I'm a Bulls fan, because you really probably are that irrational judging by your own posting history.

[Cubswin11]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

I think they are finding fault in him in that he played like absolute dog [expletive] until about 3ish minutes left in the 3rd quarter. More than half the game he was terrible. But it's also impressive he accumulated the majority of those stats in about 3 minutes in the 3rd and the entire 4th/ot

[Guest]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

I think they are finding fault in him in that he played like absolute dog [expletive] until about 3ish minutes left in the 3rd quarter. More than half the game he was terrible. But it's also impressive he accumulated the majority of those stats in about 3 minutes in the 3rd and the entire 4th/ot

 

This is why the comparisons are silly. In the same way that people say that LeBron would have never done as well in Jordan's more physical NBA, Jordan would have probably strangled a reporter if he played in an age that has many people criticizing the MANNER in which a player puts up 32/10/11 while being the primary trigger for the offense and defensive stopper. In a game he didn't even lose!

 

EDIT: With 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, LeBron had 14 points, 5 rebounds, and 7 assists. So apparently playing at a 20/7/10 pace is "dog [expletive]".

[SouthSideRyan]

People are finding fault in LeBron for his play on Tuesday when he had 32 points on 26 shots, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists, for a Game Score of 25.8. Using that metric, Jordan had 18 performances worse than that in the NBA Finals.

I think they are finding fault in him in that he played like absolute dog [expletive] until about 3ish minutes left in the 3rd quarter. More than half the game he was terrible. But it's also impressive he accumulated the majority of those stats in about 3 minutes in the 3rd and the entire 4th/ot

 

I seem to recall him being criticized for doing the exact opposite several times as well. Oh yeah, Lebron rack up those meaningless stats in the first 38 minutes, but where were you from 9:15-3:48 in the 4th???

[SouthSideRyan]

In the same way that people say that LeBron would have never done as well in Jordan's more physical NBA,

 

Which is as silly as it gets. Lebron is a physical specimen, and the 2012-2013 season set the record for fewest free throw attempts per team EVER in a non-strike-shortened season. But yeah, every touch foul gives you 2 freebies now apparently.

[Ryne Ween]

And also Lebron's opponents are generally much stronger than Mjs in the 80s.

[Banedon]

And also Lebron's opponents are generally much stronger than Mjs in the 80s.

 

Jordan did not play in any finals in the 80's.

[Ryne Ween]

And also Lebron's opponents are generally much stronger than Mjs in the 80s.

 

Jordan did not play in any finals in the 80's.

 

i said 80s because that was the vintage of the jordan-rules era of hightened physicality. And discussing whether or not lebron would have been effective in the era jordan played in has nothing to do with jordan or when he played in the finals.

[illiniguy]

You mean to say he moves the ball more and doesn't slow down the offense like a traditional ISO alpha dog.

Like in '91 when that selfish MJ averaged only 11 assists per game in the finals? Or for his career when he averaged 6 assists per game in the finals? Share the ball.

 

If MJ was a cardinal you'd still be giving him random standing ovations. IN fact you would have probably all went to Illinois games a few years ago to cheer him when he showed up to watch Jeffrey. So like twice.

Yo, what on earth are you talking about? You know I'm like, a crazy Bulls fan, right? *Don't get the fact that I'm not a dumb rube who believes they're better than they are and criticizes their personnel shortcomings twisted; I am a huge Bulls fan. I care more about the Bulls than the Cardinals by quite a bit.

 

Not to mention the fact that I didn't say anything about Michael Jordan. If I did, it would be something like, "Michael Jordan is such a uniquely impressive and successful competitor that we need to just eliminate him from the LeBron (and every other active player) conversation until further notice because it's not a fair comparison."

 

You need to stop participating in this thread if you're going to take LeBron's success and admirable basketball abilities like an attack on your close personal friend, Michael Jordan. What you do need to do is get a grip and have some [expletive] perspective when you're discussing basketball.

 

Evaluate the player. LeBron moves the ball more than a traditional ISO scoring wing player. Period. No one who knows anything about basketball would disagree with that. What does that have to do with how he compares to Michael Jordan as a "winner?" Nothing, you moron. It just says they are different types of players.

 

*It's entirely possible you put zero context of my posting history into this reply and you had no idea that I'm a Bulls fan, because you really probably are that irrational judging by your own posting history.

Good lord, the cardinal thing was a joke. I even dissed Jordan as a parent in it, I thought that was pretty obvious. LeBron is a stud, I love watching him play, I just don't understand why now everyone is so quick to dismiss what Jordan did. It's like just because he's an [expletive] we can't all be in awe of him as a basketball player anymore. Which is funny as LeBron is just as big of an [expletive].

 

I do sometimes watch games that LeBron has played in and come away wanting more because of how insanely talented he is. I would say that's a credit to him more than anything else. I also do expect him to run Through the NBA now, hell even he did himself when came with his speech about number of titles. So he brings a lot of the expectations on himself.

 

As for the personal attack on me, GFY.

[SpongeWorthy]

SSR flow chart:

 

1) Assert Bulls fans have weird hang ups about Lebron

2) Never stop posting about a player who hasn't played for the Bulls in 15 years

[Guest]

lebron gets wayyyy more criticism than his game deserves, but he brought it all on himself by constantly acting like a douche. it's silly how he gets treated, but i don't feel too bad about it.