Really exciting discussion of Indiana hoops transfer ethics

[Exile on Waveland]

How does Etherington keep surviving?

 

Because this issue has mainly been fabricated in the minds of Purdue/Illinois fans.

 

Illinois, you know, the program that just had how many players transfer?

 

how many of those kids were groce's?

 

It's always easy to rationalize when it's the program you root for, isn't it?

 

so it's the same thing, then? ok.

 

So be it. I'm fine with that. Every player that leaves IU was "Creaned." Every player that leaves Purdue was "Painted." Every player that leaves Illinois is "Groced." In the end, we'll count up how many players have left, and I suspect the numbers will be nearly identical. Or, if you prefer, any player that leaves any school left for "more playing time," or whatever euphemism you prefer. The (fanatic) problem is that application has not been consistent, with different rules applying to Indiana, and Indiana alone.

[SouthSideRyan]

Indiana had 16 guys on scholarship for next year when the season started.

 

And two players are already (well, in about an hour and a half, technically) off to the NBA as early-entries (as they always were going to be). It would have been foolish for any coach not to prepare for that inevitability. That means IU is currently over-signed by one (which is the number the Big Ten allows for). Normal transfer attrition rate for Division One programs is, approximately, one.

 

According to you, draftexpress had him as the 21st pick in the 2nd round shortly after you signed your 16th player.

[Exile on Waveland]

Indiana had 16 guys on scholarship for next year when the season started.

 

And two players are already (well, in about an hour and a half, technically) off to the NBA as early-entries (as they always were going to be). It would have been foolish for any coach not to prepare for that inevitability. That means IU is currently over-signed by one (which is the number the Big Ten allows for). Normal transfer attrition rate for Division One programs is, approximately, one.

 

According to you, draftexpress had him as the 21st pick in the 2nd round shortly after you signed your 16th player.

 

Your point is . . . what, exactly? That players never leave when they're second round picks? Players never leave after they've graduated so they can get on with making money (even if overseas)? Players never make mistakes when leaving early? Oladipo always planned on leaving after this season -- go check my posts from before last season started (and he broke out), where I stated this exact same thing.

 

As an aside, what lottery team will be selecting Phil Pressey? B.J. Young? Adonis Thomas? Russ Smith? C.J. Aiken? And on and on and, inevitably, on.

[Exile on Waveland]

"The same one that selects Yogi Ferrell."

 

Beat you to it.

[Sosa21MVP]

While we are having fun with post-season rumor mongering, there are people on Peegs Premium forum claiming that Abell, Etherington, Jurkin and Hollowell will all transfer! Now THAT would be an epic Creaning right there! :hello:

 

No I don't believe everything I read on the Internet. But Yogi's mom was making some cryptic tweets yesterday about how people will be surprised how next season's roster "shakes out".

[Exile on Waveland]

Losing Hollowell would be a massive blow.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

So be it. I'm fine with that. Every player that leaves IU was "Creaned." Every player that leaves Purdue was "Painted." Every player that leaves Illinois is "Groced." In the end, we'll count up how many players have left, and I suspect the numbers will be nearly identical. Or, if you prefer, any player that leaves any school left for "more playing time," or whatever euphemism you prefer. The (fanatic) problem is that application has not been consistent, with different rules applying to Indiana, and Indiana alone.

 

ok, being Creaned is like asking your safety to prom because you don't want to be a loser and sit home, and then dumping them to go with someone else you think is better. being Groce'd out is like dumping your fiance from an arranged marriage because you want someone of your choosing. it's not hard to understand.

[SouthSideRyan]

Losing Hollowell would be a massive blow.

 

At least you guys look likely to keep Harris in the fold.

[Formerly Snayke]

Starting this thread was a huge mistake.

 

No way. I love this stuff.

[Smack]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

 

Dunk City, baby.

[Exile on Waveland]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

 

Creaned, IMO.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Exile on Waveland

[XZero771679666304]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

 

Creamed, IMO.

 

If he's being creamed at IU, I can't say as I'd blame him.

 

Anyway, why would he do that? Maybe as an insufferable douche, he feels compelled to migrate to his natural habitat.

[Exile on Waveland]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

 

Creamed, IMO.

 

If he's being creamed at IU, I can't say as I'd blame him.

 

Anyway, why would he do that? Maybe as an insufferable douche, he feels compelled to migrate to his natural habitat.

 

I think it's safe to say he won't be doing it.

[Sosa21MVP]

Craziest rumor I heard today was that Sheehy is transferring to USC, no seriously.

 

To bang Andy Enfield's wife? I could see it.

[UK1679666180]

UKs depth chart will be interesting if Wiggins does commit. Cant wait for MM.

[Sosa21MVP]

UKs depth chart will be interesting if Wiggins does commit. Cant wait for MM.

 

UK's salary cap situation will be more interesting.

[UK1679666180]

UKs depth chart will be interesting if Wiggins does commit. Cant wait for MM.

 

UK's salary cap situation will be more interesting.

When did the NCAA institute a cap?

[Sosa21MVP]

UKs depth chart will be interesting if Wiggins does commit. Cant wait for MM.

 

UK's salary cap situation will be more interesting.

When did the NCAA institute a cap?

 

It isn't publicized but I guess UK is willing to pay the luxury tax anyways.

[snoodmonger]

all this Creaning stuff is pretty lame. UI has run players off in a less egregious fashion, sure. But it's still kids being told that there's no place for them at the school they wanted to go to. That sucks, too. But let's be honest. Ever school has done it. Or would do it if they felt they had a shot at better recruits. It's all a business, one skewed against the students unfortunately.

 

And yes, I know Self does it, too. And yes, it sucks for those kids who practice for a year and give their all to the program. But it's the price of having a good college program.

 

PS. It's different when UK does it because everyone there is evil and Calipari is a Satanist pedophile.

[Exile on Waveland]

 

So be it. I'm fine with that. Every player that leaves IU was "Creaned." Every player that leaves Purdue was "Painted." Every player that leaves Illinois is "Groced." In the end, we'll count up how many players have left, and I suspect the numbers will be nearly identical. Or, if you prefer, any player that leaves any school left for "more playing time," or whatever euphemism you prefer. The (fanatic) problem is that application has not been consistent, with different rules applying to Indiana, and Indiana alone.

 

ok, being Creaned is like asking your safety to prom because you don't want to be a loser and sit home, and then dumping them to go with someone else you think is better. being Groce'd out is like dumping your fiance from an arranged marriage because you want someone of your choosing. it's not hard to understand.

 

"Hey Billy, I know you were recruited to play at this university by another coach, but you should transfer so I can get my own future recruits in."

 

"Hey Johnny, I know you were recruited to play at this university by me, but you should transfer so I can get my own current recruits in."

 

Man, I bet Billy is glad he didn't end up like that sucker Johnny.

[illiniguy]

all this Creaning stuff is pretty lame. UI has run players off in a less egregious fashion, sure. But it's still kids being told that there's no place for them at the school they wanted to go to. That sucks, too. But let's be honest. Ever school has done it. Or would do it if they felt they had a shot at better recruits. It's all a business, one skewed against the students unfortunately.

 

And yes, I know Self does it, too. And yes, it sucks for those kids who practice for a year and give their all to the program. But it's the price of having a good college program.

 

PS. It's different when UK does it because everyone there is evil and Calipari is a Satanist pedophile.

Who learned his craft from Larry Brown at Kansas. But yes, you're correct.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

So be it. I'm fine with that. Every player that leaves IU was "Creaned." Every player that leaves Purdue was "Painted." Every player that leaves Illinois is "Groced." In the end, we'll count up how many players have left, and I suspect the numbers will be nearly identical. Or, if you prefer, any player that leaves any school left for "more playing time," or whatever euphemism you prefer. The (fanatic) problem is that application has not been consistent, with different rules applying to Indiana, and Indiana alone.

 

ok, being Creaned is like asking your safety to prom because you don't want to be a loser and sit home, and then dumping them to go with someone else you think is better. being Groce'd out is like dumping your fiance from an arranged marriage because you want someone of your choosing. it's not hard to understand.

 

"Hey Billy, I know you were recruited to play at this university by another coach, but you should transfer so I can get my own future recruits in."

 

"Hey Johnny, I know you were recruited to play at this university by me, but you should transfer so I can get my own current recruits in."

 

Man, I bet Billy is glad he didn't end up like that sucker Johnny.

 

Billy's coach didn't have his hands down his pants at the time.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

"Hey Billy, I know you were recruited to play at this university by another coach, but you should transfer so I can get my own future recruits in."

 

"Hey Johnny, I know you were recruited to play at this university by me, but you should transfer so I can get my own current recruits in."

 

Man, I bet Billy is glad he didn't end up like that sucker Johnny.

 

well, Billy should have given more consideration to the very real possibility of his coach being canned or of leaving for another job. Just one part of the decision-making process. Of course Johnny could always be considered culpable for being a terrible judge of character himself, but his coach blatantly misled in him in selling him what he thought was a dream.

 

Johnny's coach is a pathological scumbag that can never be trusted and will do the same thing over and over and over at the same school. The coach that cuts Billy only does so once or twice, whenever he moves.

[Smack]

Dominique Hawkins to Kentucky today so they're at 8 Freshmen, with maybe 1 more to go?