2014 Draft Discussion

[davell]

I think what we just saw was a correction by the Astros. One that works out better for them honestly.

 

With the Appel [expletive], coupled with what likely was somewhat of an elbow concern on Aiken.....I think we witnessed them changing their mindset during the middle of the signing period.

 

They'll have pick 2, plus their own top 5 pick. The amount of flexibility that gives a team is insane with this format. They'll take hitting at both spots and likely have a very solid amount left over to take pitching, as we did. They're about to copy us. Just watch.

 

Appel was already looking awful before the draft. I doubt that had anything to do with this.

 

I don't see how giving up a year worth of development on the #1 pick (in return for the #2 pick a year later) plus Nix can be viewed as a win.

 

I'm not necessarily saying its a win, I am just saying I think they got cold feet on pitching. If they take 2 college bats(or even pitchers) next year, their rebuild didn't lose anything though. As they'd be getting older players than Aiken at that point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

[davell]

I think what we just saw was a correction by the Astros. One that works out better for them honestly.

 

With the Appel [expletive], coupled with what likely was somewhat of an elbow concern on Aiken.....I think we witnessed them changing their mindset during the middle of the signing period.

 

They'll have pick 2, plus their own top 5 pick. The amount of flexibility that gives a team is insane with this format. They'll take hitting at both spots and likely have a very solid amount left over to take pitching, as we did. They're about to copy us. Just watch.

 

With the way the CBA works, can you even afford to pay two top-5 talents?

 

It'll be slotted. They'll have a ridiculously high draft amount to work with next year.

[KingCubsFan]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

Yep.

[Tryptamine]

I don't get what the Astros were doing. Even if they stuck with their 5M offer they could still have landed one of Nix or Marshall. Instead they land none of the three and lose out on an entire year of prospect development. Coming off a year where you completely blew your #1 pick, that is about as disastrous as it gets.

[davell]

I think what we just saw was a correction by the Astros. One that works out better for them honestly.

 

With the Appel [expletive], coupled with what likely was somewhat of an elbow concern on Aiken.....I think we witnessed them changing their mindset during the middle of the signing period.

 

They'll have pick 2, plus their own top 5 pick. The amount of flexibility that gives a team is insane with this format. They'll take hitting at both spots and likely have a very solid amount left over to take pitching, as we did. They're about to copy us. Just watch.

 

They lost more than just trading Aiken for the #2 pick here, this cost them two other pretty big talents. They decided their convictions over 2-3 million weren't worth draft picks(not Aiken) that would very likely exceed that in value.

 

Just one. They weren't getting Marshall unless their undercutting tactic had worked a d Aiken accepted at least a mill less than he had agreed to.

 

Plus, they can still possibly make up for the loss of Nix by under slotting at 2 next year.

[Guest]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

 

To which the prospect will laugh in the face of the Astros and their verbal commitments.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't get what the Astros were doing. Even if they stuck with their 5M offer they could still have landed one of Nix or Marshall. Instead they land none of the three and lose out on an entire year of prospect development. Coming off a year where you completely blew your #1 pick, that is about as disastrous as it gets.

 

Yup, this. Aiken is worth many, many times this on the open market, even if his elbow had already snapped (despite lol pitchers). The draft is such +EV for teams that there's very little to be gained other than the satisfaction of not flinching.

[Guest]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

Yep.

 

The Astros don't do that.

[Guest]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

[jersey cubs fan]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

 

And if the Cubs select them first they will just choose not to take the slot and wait another year in hopes of Houston or another team being in the same mega slot situation?

[davell]

I don't get what the Astros were doing. Even if they stuck with their 5M offer they could still have landed one of Nix or Marshall. Instead they land none of the three and lose out on an entire year of prospect development. Coming off a year where you completely blew your #1 pick, that is about as disastrous as it gets.

 

The numbers are wrong there. If they had kept their 6.5 offer to Aiken, they STILL had money for Nix. They blew it up because they offered 5, trying to get Marshall in the fold too.

 

The only reason to do this over 1.5 mill is a shift in strategy.

[ctcf]

What a bunch of fuckwits

[jersey cubs fan]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

In what way?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

In what way?

 

I don't think teams are supposed to be directly negotiating with "advisors."

[jersey cubs fan]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

In what way?

 

I don't think teams are supposed to be directly negotiating with "advisors."

 

So his statements serve as proof that he was an agent? What about Casey Close's own statements about negotiations?

[CyHawk_Cub]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

In what way?

 

I don't think teams are supposed to be directly negotiating with "advisors."

 

Why should the player suffer because the team ( a perhaps vindictive one at that) attempted improper contact with the adviser. Perhaps that is why Close was unresponsive.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why should the player suffer because the team ( a perhaps vindictive one at that) attempted improper contact with the adviser. Perhaps that is why Close was unresponsive.

 

Because NCAA

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Astros' SBN site headline: "It happened. It sucks."

[Guest]

@CJWittJr: Astros coming out and directly saying they tried to contact the advisor screws him out of his NCAA eligibility

[Guest]

People on Twitter pointing out that Luhnow being quoted about contacting Casey Close burns Aiken's NCAA eligibility too.

 

Luhnow only mentioned the family, the Astros owner mentioned Close.

[KingCubsFan]

Unless he is magically declared a free agent and the Cubs sign him, this kind of sucks since we'll have another pick in front of us next year.

Not if we suck enough to get the #1 overall pick

 

It'll even suck then because if there's a clear No. 1 pick, he'll have the Astros' massive signing pool whispering promises into his ear.

 

And if the Cubs select them first they will just choose not to take the slot and wait another year in hopes of Houston or another team being in the same mega slot situation?

No, he'd just threaten to demand overslot and the Cubs would risk burning up the rest of their pool for the #1 pick.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think what we just saw was a correction by the Astros. One that works out better for them honestly.

 

With the Appel [expletive], coupled with what likely was somewhat of an elbow concern on Aiken.....I think we witnessed them changing their mindset during the middle of the signing period.

 

They'll have pick 2, plus their own top 5 pick. The amount of flexibility that gives a team is insane with this format. They'll take hitting at both spots and likely have a very solid amount left over to take pitching, as we did. They're about to copy us. Just watch.

 

Can we not pre-emptively credit our FO for the Astros success in addition to our own as of now unrealized success?

[Tryptamine]

If Aiken does indeed lose his eligibility, this is kind of thing that could absolutely ruin them in drafts for the next decade. All the games that were played and costing the kid his ability to go to college would be well in excess of the Phillies' ordeal in my eyes.

[illiniguy]

I think what we just saw was a correction by the Astros. One that works out better for them honestly.

 

With the Appel [expletive], coupled with what likely was somewhat of an elbow concern on Aiken.....I think we witnessed them changing their mindset during the middle of the signing period.

 

They'll have pick 2, plus their own top 5 pick. The amount of flexibility that gives a team is insane with this format. They'll take hitting at both spots and likely have a very solid amount left over to take pitching, as we did. They're about to copy us. Just watch.

 

Can we not pre-emptively credit our FO for the Astros success in addition to our own as of now unrealized success?

I think we can say as of right now, they killed the last two drafts.