Week 15 Green Bay @ Lovie's Chokers (No GB Fans Allowed)

[UMFan83]

Sorry CT this is all your fault...you're done

 

Ye Ol' Gauntlet (1-4)

 

Week 9: No offense

Week 10: No defense and offense

Week 11: Fluke win

Week 12: Defense choked

Week 13: Everything sucked

 

Can't wait to see how many guys get injured this week!

 

PS: GB fans are allowed, I just always wanted to say that in a game thread.

[BigSlick]

this team has quickly turned into hot garbage

[Guest]

Don't forget the worst Packer fans were banned after last time.

[imb]

is that what happened to erik because ... i miss him

[cubbyvirus00]

this team has quickly turned into hot garbage

 

"Insert random meatball reference here."

 

 

This team is hanging on by a thread, let's fire Lovie please :D

[Old Style]

Must win or the season is pretty much over.

[UMFan83]

Must win or the season is pretty much over.

 

False. The bears need to go 10-6. If they lose this week at worst they will be tied for a playoff spot. I think I saw somewhere last week that if the bears finished 10-6 they had a 97% chance of making the playoffs.

[rawaction]

Yeah, the Bears will be alright if they lose next week. At least mathematically. I don't know how much the team would have left in them though. That would mean losing 5 of 6 games. It would mean losing out on the division. With the injuries this team has suffered, it's a tossup as to whether they can beat the Lions in Detroit in a must win game to end the season. They couldn't do so against a similar Houston team a few years ago.

[UMFan83]

Yeah, the Bears will be alright if they lose next week. At least mathematically. I don't know how much the team would have left in them though. That would mean losing 5 of 6 games. It would mean losing out on the division. With the injuries this team has suffered, it's a tossup as to whether they can beat the Lions in Detroit in a must win game to end the season. They couldn't do so against a similar Houston team a few years ago.

 

Despite being demoralizing, I think the Bears will still be determined against Arizona and Detroit. The one big thing that has gotten Lovie this far is his ability to motivate his players. Even if we lose to GB we'd still have a better than 50% chance at a playoff shot, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to motivate the team. Add the fact that players love playing for Lovie and his job would essentially be on the line, and I'm pretty certain they will get up for the game and have as good of a shot as any week.

 

I don't know this, but I would guess internally the injuries are on the back of everyone's minds, and the losing generally began when players started dropping. I think they still believe they are a very good team and can get back to the level that the team was playing in during their 7-1 start. As a pessimist, I would point out the quality of teams that was a huge part of that start, but I doubt the players think that way.

[UMFan83]

Hah, I am playing with the playoff machine right now. Not that this is all too likely at this point, but if the Bears won their final 3 games, they'd still have a shot at a bye.

 

SF is 9-3-1 and the Bears 8-5

 

SF's schedule is:

 

@ NE

@ SEA

vs. ARI

 

Playing in NE is a very good shot at a loss. With how good Seattle is at home, and they way they are playing right now, I'd say SF has a good chance to lose that one as well. At that point if the Bears were to go 3-0, the last game doesn't even matter.

 

I suppose you'd still have to worry about Seattle winning the division at 11-5 at that point though. Seattle has @ BUF, vs. SF and vs STL. They could definitely run the table, and if they do the Bears can't get a bye. Also, the Giants could probably win out and have a shot to win the tiebreaker over Chicago. So maybe the chance isn't that great.

[UMFan83]

A couple more things I'm looking at...I guess the playoffs aren't as likely at 10-6 as I thought. If the Bears finish 10-6 and their loss was to GB this is what we're looking at...

 

-If Minnesota wins out (@ STL, @ HOU, vs. GB), and the Bears win out after losing to GB, the Vikings will win the tiebreaker and knock the Bears out. This is worrisome, even though i dont think its likely for a mediocre MIN team to win in Houston and against GB. There's a small chance that we are rooting for GB in week 17.

 

-If the Bears, Vikings and Packers finish tied at 10-6, the Bears would be the odd team out

 

-This is also the case if the Bears, Vikings, Packers and Seahawks all tie for the 2 WCs/NFC north division spots at 10-6

 

-If its Seattle, GB, Minnesota, Washington and Chicago finishing 10-6, the Seahawks and Redskins win the 2 spots with GB winning the division

 

-Bears also lose 3 team tiebreakers to Washington and Seattle

 

-Bears actually win 3 team tiebreakers if Dallas is involved

 

-As far as head to head tiebreakers, the Bears of course win the tiebreaker over Dallas and lose the tiebreaker to Seattle. They will LOSE the tiebreaker over Washington, who will have to win out to tie at 10-6, and as we discussed earlier, will lose the tiebreaker to Minnesota.

 

Again, this is all based on Chicago losing next week and winning the next 2, which to me seems like the most likely outcome in the last 3 games. If the Bears finish at 10-6 with the wins coming over GB and Detroit, and the loss to Arizona, the Bears odds change for the better, but they'd still lose tiebreakers to Washington, Green Bay and Seattle.

 

To sum this all up, if the Bears finish 10-6 by going LWW, they'd better hope they are the only 10-6 team (besides Seattle), unless Dallas also finishes 10-6

[Soul]

It's so much fun heading into a huge rivalry game with everyone expecting a loss.

 

Not saying people should feel different. Just commenting on the sad state of this team now.

[UMFan83]

I know I'm taking over this thread but wanted to point out that the Bears playoff odds went down 17.3% today, going from 95.1% to 77.8%. If they lose to GB next week, that result alone will drop the Bears another 18.4%, putting their odds at 59.4%...if they lose to GB and Washington, Dallas and Minnesota all win, that drops their odds down to 51.1%.

 

After doing all this work, I feel a lot more pessimistic about the Bears playoff chances than I did a few minutes ago.

[Smack]

If we miss the playoffs Lovie has to go. We're pissing away prime years of Cutler and Marshall.

[Soul]

I know I'm taking over this thread but wanted to point out that the Bears playoff odds went down 17.3% today, going from 95.1% to 77.8%. If they lose to GB next week, that result alone will drop the Bears another 18.4%, putting their odds at 59.4%...if they lose to GB and Washington, Dallas and Minnesota all win, that drops their odds down to 51.1%.

 

After doing all this work, I feel a lot more pessimistic about the Bears playoff chances than I did a few minutes ago.

 

Well, they're going to lose to the Packers next week. So prepare yourself for that.

 

Beyond that though, there's an Arizona team that shouldn't even be classified as an NFL team, and a Detroit team that I'm watching right now. And if I've ever seen a team in give up mode, it's this Detroit team.

 

So, no excuse to lose those last 2 games, I don't care what anyone says.

[UMFan83]

I know I'm taking over this thread but wanted to point out that the Bears playoff odds went down 17.3% today, going from 95.1% to 77.8%. If they lose to GB next week, that result alone will drop the Bears another 18.4%, putting their odds at 59.4%...if they lose to GB and Washington, Dallas and Minnesota all win, that drops their odds down to 51.1%.

 

After doing all this work, I feel a lot more pessimistic about the Bears playoff chances than I did a few minutes ago.

 

Well, they're going to lose to the Packers next week. So prepare yourself for that.

 

Beyond that though, there's an Arizona team that shouldn't even be classified as an NFL team, and a Detroit team that I'm watching right now. And if I've ever seen a team in give up mode, it's this Detroit team.

 

So, no excuse to lose those last 2 games, I don't care what anyone says.

 

Agreed...but what I'm saying is that the Bears only have a decent shot at making the playoffs even if they win the last 2 and finish 10-6. They will lose tiebreakers to Washington, Minnesota, Green Bay and Seattle, so if either Minnesota or Washington win their last 3 games, the Bears will be out unless Seattle or GB completely collapses.

 

Edit: BTW, the Redskins last 3 games are @ Cleveland, @ Philly and vs. Dallas. With the way they are playing right now, I could see them winning all 3.

[Soul]

Cleveland's been better, believe it or not. RGIII going to sit next week? Browns could possibly take that @ home.

[BigSlick]

I don't think we're going to miss the playoffs but I will caution folks from believing the final game of the year vs. Lions is a gimme, that team has given us fits lately, play better at home, and we've def had our problems securing final game playoff berths on the road before.

[UMFan83]

We've won 8 of the last 9 games against them. The last two times we played them we blew them out as caused multiple players to lose composure and then the next game we almost pitched a shutout. How have they given us fits?

 

I'm not saying its a gimme as we did lose the last time we played there but by no means would I say they've given us fits.

[kujay]

I fully expect the Bears will keep the game close for awhile and then lose by two TDs.

[Soul]

On the Lions game:

 

They've also lost their last 5 in a row, although that has to end next week since they play Zona.

 

They might get lucky and catch the Falcons resting players the week before we play them, but right now they know they have nothing to play for but jobs, and based on what I saw last night, that isn't enough to motivate them.

 

You're right, no game is a gimme. I just don't accept that the Bears should not win that game. They should be able to put that team away.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think we're going to miss the playoffs but I will caution folks from believing the final game of the year vs. Lions is a gimme,

 

Is there a Bears fan in the world who needs to be cautioned against assuming any game is a gimme at this point?

[rocket]

Cleveland's been better, believe it or not. RGIII going to sit next week? Browns could possibly take that @ home.

 

yeah, the browns aren't that bad. they're a competent qb away from being playoff caliber.

[UMFan83]

Cleveland's been better, believe it or not. RGIII going to sit next week? Browns could possibly take that @ home.

 

yeah, the browns aren't that bad. they're a competent qb away from being playoff caliber.

 

Apparently RGIII just has a knee sprain, and might be back as early as this week.

[JonJayCutler]

Agreed...but what I'm saying is that the Bears only have a decent shot at making the playoffs even if they win the last 2 and finish 10-6. They will lose tiebreakers to Washington, Minnesota, Green Bay and Seattle, so if either Minnesota or Washington win their last 3 games, the Bears will be out unless Seattle or GB completely collapses.

 

Edit: BTW, the Redskins last 3 games are @ Cleveland, @ Philly and vs. Dallas. With the way they are playing right now, I could see them winning all 3.

 

The Giants at 8-5 have to go into Atlanta and Baltimore before getting Philly at home in Week 17. If they lose two of those three, which is possible, they finish 9-7 which would give Washington or Dallas the division at 10-6 (they both can't finish 10-6 because they play each other Week 17). I doubt the Vikings go 3-0 @St. Louis, @Houston, and vs GB. If they do, they deserve the playoffs over the Bears.

 

With all that said, I'm pretty confident 10-6 gets us in.