2013 College Football off-season

[OleMissCub]

im not so sure what the difference between the two teams are unless youre talking about one team being way better than the other

 

not to mention having a much, much easier path into the BCS every year.

[jersey cubs fan]

No offense. Tenn is better that a lot of CFB gigs. But I can't think of a single thing about Tenn that's better than the gig Stoops has.

 

I agree with that. I guess my thinking is, if Stoops wants to leave (change of scenery idea), then Tennessee wouldn't be a dropoff from a historical/tradition/prestige standpoint. .

 

Yes, there absolutely is a drop off.

[dew1679666265]

im not so sure what the difference between the two teams are unless youre talking about one team being way better than the other

 

With the resources and current talent at Tennessee, a coach like Stoops could have us up to 8-10 wins in a year or two tops. Better than that if he could convince more than one of Bray/Hunter/CP/James to stay.

 

I guess when I compare coaching jobs, I look at the overall program, not just the current talent level. Resources, history, fanbase, etc., are pretty important in college football and UT and OU are pretty even in those regards.

[dew1679666265]

im not so sure what the difference between the two teams are unless youre talking about one team being way better than the other

 

not to mention having a much, much easier path into the BCS every year.

 

Also a tougher path to a BCS title game, though. You can lose once in the SEC and still make it (right or wrong). You most likely can't in any other conference.

[dew1679666265]

Yes, there absolutely is a drop off.

 

Not in the areas I mentioned. The talent level is considerably better at OU (which is why I don't think Stoops would make the jump), but if Stoops were to take the UT job he's not going to some middling program that's never done anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes, there absolutely is a drop off.

 

Not in the areas I mentioned. The talent level is considerably better at OU (which is why I don't think Stoops would make the jump), but if Stoops were to take the UT job he's not going to some middling program that's never done anything.

Step down isn't an accusation of middling

[Guest]

Bob Stoops isn't going to leave Oklahoma to clean up someone else's mess. If he ever did leave, it would be to do something like succeed Saban after going to the NFL or if Brian Kelly kills a few more GAs and gets fired.

[dew1679666265]

Bob Stoops isn't going to leave Oklahoma to clean up someone else's mess. If he ever did leave, it would be to do something like succeed Saban after going to the NFL or if Brian Kelly kills a few more GAs and gets fired.

 

I haven't disagreed with this anywhere. In fact, I've gone out of my way to agree with that point.

[dew1679666265]

Step down isn't an accusation of middling

 

Maybe it's a wording issue then, because when I hear step down I think of a decline in prestige. I've never considered that a school's current talent level affects its prestige, since prestige is more of a long term thing.

[Tracer Bullet]

Bob Stoops isn't going to leave Oklahoma to clean up someone else's mess. If he ever did leave, it would be to do something like succeed Saban after going to the NFL or if Brian Kelly kills a few more GAs and gets fired.

 

If he wants to finish in the bottom half of an SEC division, he could just drive up the road to Mizzou.

[Guest]

He better hike up the BAC for that drive, because we have standards.

[jersey cubs fan]

Step down isn't an accusation of middling

 

Maybe it's a wording issue then, because when I hear step down I think of a decline in prestige. I've never considered that a school's current talent level affects its prestige, since prestige is more of a long term thing.

And ou has more prestige than tenn

[dew1679666265]

And ou has more prestige than tenn

 

That I disagree with.

[jersey cubs fan]

And ou has more prestige than tenn

 

That I disagree with.

Because you are a tenn fan

[dew1679666265]

And ou has more prestige than tenn

 

That I disagree with.

Because you are a tenn fan

 

I don't think it's that. There are programs with much greater prestige than UT (Bama/USC/Ohio St/Mich/Texas off the top of my head) but I don't think OU is one of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

And ou has more prestige than tenn

 

That I disagree with.

Because you are a tenn fan

 

I don't think it's that. There are programs with much greater prestige than UT (Bama/USC/Ohio St/Mich/Texas off the top of my head) but I don't think OU is one of them.

You won't find many unbiased observers who agree

[dew1679666265]

You won't find many unbiased observers who agree

 

I'd be interested to see opinions on it. I'm not sure what the reasoning would be, though - both programs have won at similar levels, UT has as good or better facilities and a bigger stadium, OU has a better recruiting base but not a stellar one, Tennessee has put a similar number of players into the NFL (I think).

 

I'd like to hear why OU is considered a more prestigious program.

[Guest]

Because performance matters, even if it's not everything. Tennessee's fanbase means that it's not as difficult to return to their previous success as other schools, but there are degrees involved. UT is about to have their 4th coach in 4 years, they haven't won a conference title or made a BCS game in well over a decade(for comparison, Stoops has 7 conference titles and 7 BCS appearances since Tennessee last did either, seven!), and they haven't won more than 7 games in a season since the Bush administration. Maybe the relative ceilings of the two programs aren't very different, but they're in very, very different places right now.

[dew1679666265]

Because performance matters, even if it's not everything. Tennessee's fanbase means that it's not as difficult to return to their previous success as other schools, but there are degrees involved. UT is about to have their 4th coach in 4 years, they haven't won a conference title or made a BCS game in well over a decade(for comparison, Stoops has 7 conference titles and 7 BCS appearances since Tennessee last did either, seven!), and they haven't won more than 7 games in a season since the Bush administration. Maybe the relative ceilings of the two programs aren't very different, but they're in very, very different places right now.

 

I do agree the current situation is much, much better at OU - hence why I give little credence to the Stoops to UT rumors - but when I use the term "prestige" I'm referring to more historical success and long-term prospects than where a program is right now.

 

Maybe I'm using the wrong word or we're just debating semantics, but I see prestige as being more about the program as a whole than simply its recent success. Recent success means a lot in terms of a job's current attractiveness, but because of its prestige, UT is a more attractive spot than other teams with the stats you listed.

[dew1679666265]

For those who have paid closer attention to him, what do you think of Art Briles as an option at UT?

 

I'm intrigued by him enough that he may be 3rd on my list after the longshots that are Gruden and Jimbo.

[CubInOK]

Dew, how many MNCs does Tennessee have?

[abuck1220]

dear lord please let tennessee hire kent state's coach or whatever soon so we don't have to listen to dew's rationale as to why bill belichick or whoever probably wants the job.

[OleMissCub]

Dew, how many MNCs does Tennessee have?

 

A quick glance shows 5: 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967

 

OU with 6: 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985

[bcl412]

You forgot the one that Manning won in 98.

[OleMissCub]

You forgot the one that Manning won in 98.

 

He said "MNC". 1998 was BCS. Also, Manning wasn't the QB.