College Football - Week 11 (Nov. 10)

[Coach C]

I really need to understand the KSU love. They beat another middling Big 12 team, this time by 13, and they've all but punched their ticket to the title game. They've beaten 3 cupcakes (sorry, snood) and 3 Big 12 teams that hover around the bottom of the top 25 by artificially inflating their rankings without beating any goods teams (just each other and the wildly overrated WVU).

 

You beat Oklahoma on the road by 5? Nice work. ND beat them on the road by 17 a few weeks later when OU had their 2 suspended players back.

 

You beat Miami at home by 39? ND beat them at a neutral site (admittedly more favorable to ND than Miami) by 38.

 

So we play close games. That's fair. ND isn't often going to score 50 points (except against bowl-bound Navy). Then again, ND isn't going to give up 21 to the likes of North Texas, either. In fact, ND went 3 straight games against MSU, UM (with Nard), and Miami without giving up a single TD, let alone 3 TDs to any one of them.

 

Take away ND's win on the road against top-10 MSU. That's fair. We'll dock KSU's top-13 road win against WVU too. Then again, we should probably take a gander at that top-14 win against T Tech, who at 7-3 had 4 early victories against Northwestern State (didn't know it existed), Texas St (seriously thought abuck made this school up to mock Old Style), New Mexico (Boob Davie!), and Iowa State. Tech's also closing strong with a 3OT win against TCU and an OT win against Kansas (?) sandwiched around losses to KSU and Texas.

 

On the other hand, to win out, ND will still have wins against top-15 Stanford and top-20 Southern Cal to go with that OU victory. KSU's second best win after OU is...Texas (whose beaten literally no one - look at their schedule)? Texas Tech?

 

The worst team on ND's schedule is probably BC at 2-8. BC is on par (and probably better than) Kansas, which is KSU's 3rd worst team. Is beating Purdue or Pitt in a close game really worse than beating Missouri St or beating North Texas by just 2 TDs?

 

ND still has to win out. No guarantee, esp with Laney waiting and maybe saving his job by knocking ND out of the title picture. But like I said, someone's going to have to explain the KSU love to me. They have the weakest resume of the 3 unbeaten teams. Why does squeaking by TCU punch their ticket?

 

ND plays 4 true road games (including USC game). Kansas State plays 5 true road games (including Baylor). If USC was a one loss team, then that would have helped ND chances of overtaking Kansas State. Unfortunately, USC is a 3 loss team at the moment, and if USC loses to UCLA (assuming ND and K-State as well as Oregon staying undefeated) then that hurts ND, because then USC could be out of the top 25 at that stage. Could. Not to mention that Texas is now sitting at 15/18 and if they win their game before K-State game, they could be very much ranked higher. Not to mention that they are currently ranked higher than USC at this point (USC is at 21 on both the AP and Coaches polls)

 

The reason why K-State gets a lot of love from the computers is because the Big XII is the 2nd best conference. Every team in the Big XII is at .500 or better, except for Baylor and Kansas. The weakest resume would have to be Oregon because their SOS does not match up well to Notre Dame or Kansas State.

 

And the only teams that kept Kansas state close was Iowa State and Oklahoma. Other than that, Kansas State has won by two or more possessions in every of their games. ND has won 5 games that was decided by a TD or less. And there was no reason why ND needed three overtimes to be a lowly Pitsburgh Panther football team that they should have blown them out. Style points.

 

I'll say this. If ND was in a conference, then that probably would have helped them much more than being a "Independent". Regardless, K-State does control their destiny for the BCS NC game. Win out, they're in.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would ND being in a conference have helped them?

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I really need to understand the KSU love. They beat another middling Big 12 team, this time by 13, and they've all but punched their ticket to the title game. They've beaten 3 cupcakes (sorry, snood) and 3 Big 12 teams that hover around the bottom of the top 25 by artificially inflating their rankings without beating any goods teams (just each other and the wildly overrated WVU).

 

You beat Oklahoma on the road by 5? Nice work. ND beat them on the road by 17 a few weeks later when OU had their 2 suspended players back.

 

You beat Miami at home by 39? ND beat them at a neutral site (admittedly more favorable to ND than Miami) by 38.

 

So we play close games. That's fair. ND isn't often going to score 50 points (except against bowl-bound Navy). Then again, ND isn't going to give up 21 to the likes of North Texas, either. In fact, ND went 3 straight games against MSU, UM (with Nard), and Miami without giving up a single TD, let alone 3 TDs to any one of them.

 

Take away ND's win on the road against top-10 MSU. That's fair. We'll dock KSU's top-13 road win against WVU too. Then again, we should probably take a gander at that top-14 win against T Tech, who at 7-3 had 4 early victories against Northwestern State (didn't know it existed), Texas St (seriously thought abuck made this school up to mock Old Style), New Mexico (Boob Davie!), and Iowa State. Tech's also closing strong with a 3OT win against TCU and an OT win against Kansas (?) sandwiched around losses to KSU and Texas.

 

On the other hand, to win out, ND will still have wins against top-15 Stanford and top-20 Southern Cal to go with that OU victory. KSU's second best win after OU is...Texas (whose beaten literally no one - look at their schedule)? Texas Tech?

 

The worst team on ND's schedule is probably BC at 2-8. BC is on par (and probably better than) Kansas, which is KSU's 3rd worst team. Is beating Purdue or Pitt in a close game really worse than beating Missouri St or beating North Texas by just 2 TDs?

 

ND still has to win out. No guarantee, esp with Laney waiting and maybe saving his job by knocking ND out of the title picture. But like I said, someone's going to have to explain the KSU love to me. They have the weakest resume of the 3 unbeaten teams. Why does squeaking by TCU punch their ticket?

 

ND plays 4 true road games (including USC game). Kansas State plays 5 true road games (including Baylor). If USC was a one loss team, then that would have helped ND chances of overtaking Kansas State. Unfortunately, USC is a 3 loss team at the moment, and if USC loses to UCLA (assuming ND and K-State as well as Oregon staying undefeated) then that hurts ND, because then USC could be out of the top 25 at that stage. Could. Not to mention that Texas is now sitting at 15/18 and if they win their game before K-State game, they could be very much ranked higher. Not to mention that they are currently ranked higher than USC at this point (USC is at 21 on both the AP and Coaches polls)

 

The reason why K-State gets a lot of love from the computers is because the Big XII is the 2nd best conference. Every team in the Big XII is at .500 or better, except for Baylor and Kansas. The weakest resume would have to be Oregon because their SOS does not match up well to Notre Dame or Kansas State.

 

And the only teams that kept Kansas state close was Iowa State and Oklahoma. Other than that, Kansas State has won by two or more possessions in every of their games. ND has won 5 games that was decided by a TD or less. And there was no reason why ND needed three overtimes to be a lowly Pitsburgh Panther football team that they should have blown them out. Style points.

 

I'll say this. If ND was in a conference, then that probably would have helped them much more than being a "Independent". Regardless, K-State does control their destiny for the BCS NC game. Win out, they're in.

 

The Big 12 is overrated bc they play a cream puff OOC schedule that makes the SEC jealous. Without those terrible teams in the slate they wouldn't all be over .500. What's the best OOC win?

 

Playing in Ireland isn't a road game? ND played games in Ireland, Michigan, Chicago and both the East and West coasts. You're going to tell me KSU had a more difficult time with travel?

 

Fact is, ND's schedule was more difficult by any measure and they clearly played better against the 2 shared opponents. Throw in the 3 brutal teams that KSU has on it's schedule and you've got no argument.

 

KSU controls their destiny bc the system is broken. Some writers and coaches voted ND 5th. They should lose their vote immediately.

[SouthSideRyan]

Some mook in the Harris poll voted Bama #1.

 

The AP voter from South Bend voted SEC teams 4-9.

[USSoccer]

It's intellectually dishonest to say KSU has played a tougher schedule that ND. It's closer by comparison to Oregon's, but then you have to account for Oregon simply eviscerating everything in their path.

 

KSU's probably the 4th or 5th best team in the country.

[Guest]

The Big 12 is overrated bc they play a cream puff OOC schedule that makes the SEC jealous. Without those terrible teams in the slate they wouldn't all be over .500. What's the best OOC win?

 

Playing in Ireland isn't a road game? ND played games in Ireland, Michigan, Chicago and both the East and West coasts. You're going to tell me KSU had a more difficult time with travel?

 

Fact is, ND's schedule was more difficult by any measure and they clearly played better against the 2 shared opponents. Throw in the 3 brutal teams that KSU has on it's schedule and you've got no argument.

 

KSU controls their destiny bc the system is broken. Some writers and coaches voted ND 5th. They should lose their vote immediately.

 

Regardless of what you think of the Big 12, Sagarin rates them as the top conference this year.

 

Sagarin also rates their schedules as basically identical (ND is 28, KSU is 29). You keep railing on KSU's weak OOC schedule and are acting as if ND doesn't have Navy (No. 83), Boston College (No. 99) and Wake Fores (No. 122) on it's slate. Those three are nearly as bad as KSU's trio of Kansas (80), North Texas (110) and Missouri St (138).

 

KSU controls it's own destiny because they've looked more impressive than ND. ND has three wins by three points and five wins by seven or fewer points while only two wins of more than 17 points. KSU has two wins by seven or fewer points and five of more than 17.

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Sagarin isn't god.

[Guest]

Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

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Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

[Andy]

ND has one first-place vote in the coaches' poll, and Brian Kelly disclosed today that it was his.

[bukie]

Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

Sagarin has ND in first in the BCS rating.

[abuck1220]

i mean seeing ND blow it by losing to shitty pitt would have been optimal, but i guess i can settle for ND fans losing their mind when they get snubbed out of the natl title game.

[Guest]

Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

 

I trust Sagarin because I don't watch every single game and I trust computer models more than somebody saying the Big 12 sucks because it helps his argument when he says so.

[Smack]

i mean seeing ND blow it by losing to [expletive] pitt would have been optimal, but i guess i can settle for ND fans losing their mind when they get snubbed out of the natl title game.

 

Probably better

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Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

 

I trust Sagarin because I don't watch every single game and I trust computer models more than somebody saying the Big 12 sucks because it helps his argument when he says so.

 

You trust computer models that have ND #1 over KSU? Or just Sagarin's SOS?

[Guest]

No, I don't trust the part of Sagarin's rankings which only take W-L record into account and rate Alabama as the No. 9 team in the country and the fifth best team in the SEC.

 

The predictor part and the overall ranking - both of which, as I'm sure you know, have Notre Dame No. 5 - I do trust.

[Coach C]

Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

 

I trust Sagarin because Sagarin states that the teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so all three ratings are UNBIASED. It also states that ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct".

 

And Sagarin says that K-State SOS is 29, and ND's is 28. ND is one better, but what's criminal is that the VOTERS think Oregon is better because of their flashy costumes and flashy offense. Sagarin says Oregon's SOS is a putrid 45. So, I don't want hear of any junk that "Who did K-State play?" Give me a break.

 

Truthfully, I'd rather have a ND and K-State NC game based of the SOS, since both of those teams played tougher schedules than Oregon did.

[SouthSideRyan]

By time the season is over Oregon's schedule will be close to KSU and ND's.

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Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

 

I trust Sagarin because Sagarin states that the teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so all three ratings are UNBIASED. It also states that ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct".

 

And Sagarin says that K-State SOS is 29, and ND's is 28. ND is one better, but what's criminal is that the VOTERS think Oregon is better because of their flashy costumes and flashy offense. Sagarin says Oregon's SOS is a putrid 45. So, I don't want hear of any junk that "Who did K-State play?" Give me a break.

 

Truthfully, I'd rather have a ND and K-State NC game based of the SOS, since both of those teams played tougher schedules than Oregon did.

 

I'm telling you that my opinion is WELL CONNECTED and UNBIASED and only winning matters, not MOV, so you should believe me. I mean, I'm telling you that. So why wouldn't you believe me? Oh, probably bc you've analyzed Sagarin's exact formula and understand it to be better. Fair enough.

[Andy]

He doesn't take a stance either way on ND v. KSU (he shouldn't), but Dan Wetzel with another great rip job of the BCS. Most damningly and sadly true is the fact that if ND hadn't lost to Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl last December, they'd be #2 right now, which is ludicrous no matter which side you're on.

[sneakypower]

hahaha this is perfect

 

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[Coach C]

Sagarin isn't god.

 

I'm going to trust Sagarin a hell of a lot more than a biased ND fan's eyes.

 

Like USS? Of wait, he's not an ND fan.

 

You trust sagarin bc it tells you what you want to believe.

 

I trust Sagarin because Sagarin states that the teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so all three ratings are UNBIASED. It also states that ELO_CHESS, only winning and losing matters; the score margin is of no consequence, which makes it very "politically correct".

 

And Sagarin says that K-State SOS is 29, and ND's is 28. ND is one better, but what's criminal is that the VOTERS think Oregon is better because of their flashy costumes and flashy offense. Sagarin says Oregon's SOS is a putrid 45. So, I don't want hear of any junk that "Who did K-State play?" Give me a break.

 

Truthfully, I'd rather have a ND and K-State NC game based of the SOS, since both of those teams played tougher schedules than Oregon did.

 

I'm telling you that my opinion is WELL CONNECTED and UNBIASED and only winning matters, not MOV, so you should believe me. I mean, I'm telling you that. So why wouldn't you believe me? Oh, probably bc you've analyzed Sagarin's exact formula and understand it to be better. Fair enough.

 

Hmm... So if I were to choose a good indidcator that a pitcher is good based of W and L's but ignore his ERA, ERA+ or WHIP, or ignore the W-L but focus on his ERA, ERA+ and WHIP?

 

I'll chose the 2nd choice.

 

I'm done with this silly argument.

[Guest]

He doesn't take a stance either way on ND v. KSU (he shouldn't), but Dan Wetzel with another great rip job of the BCS. Most damningly and sadly true is the fact that if ND hadn't lost to Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl last December, they'd be #2 right now, which is ludicrous no matter which side you're on.

 

@celebrityhottub Two things I know for sure: the NCAA is rigged to Notre Dame's disadvantage, and rich white guys can't catch a break in corporate America.

[bcl412]

I'm slightly biased towards ND but not enough so for me to really be blinded by it. I think the fact that they have played BCS conference/BCS conference level opponents every week but one should matter. I feel like that much depth to your schedule can effect a team differently than if they play a bunch of top teams with some bad cupcakes mixed in and I'm not sure how a statistical formula can show that. I do think their near losses to .500 teams matters as well though and nearly losing to Purdue, BYU and Pitt is not good.

 

Oregon can drop 70 on you when they click and that matters but the fact that they allowed 50+ in a game bothers me.

 

I don't have too many complaints about K-State. They play decent defense and score points and they haven't really had any problems with bad teams.

 

At the end of the day though, my belief is that the two teams who play in the title game should be the teams who had the best record against the toughest schedule. It doesn't matter how pretty the games are. The way each game plays out should be used as a tiebreaker though.

[Andy]

He doesn't take a stance either way on ND v. KSU (he shouldn't), but Dan Wetzel with another great rip job of the BCS. Most damningly and sadly true is the fact that if ND hadn't lost to Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl last December, they'd be #2 right now, which is ludicrous no matter which side you're on.

 

@celebrityhottub Two things I know for sure: the NCAA is rigged to Notre Dame's disadvantage, and rich white guys can't catch a break in corporate America.

I fail to see what that Tweet has to do with what I posted.