Re: 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Guest]

My point is that Asik was not worth $15 million to the Bulls. Nate won't be worth whatever he will get to the Bulls when you have a better version than Nate in Rose.

 

Asik certainly was worth that to the Bulls and every other team in the NBA.

 

We'll see what Robinson gets in free agency but just because he plays the same position as Rose doesn't mean he's worthless. It's not like a) he wouldn't provide depth and bench scoring and b) he wouldn't be able to play alongside Rose for stretches.

[Careless]

Nate can serve a purpose as a great scoring guard off the bench. Point or undersized 2. It's really irrelevant that he is only 5'8 because the league is littered with 6-2, 6-3 combo guards and it unless you are facing a legit 6-6 guard, you are not going to have a horrible size disadvantage.

7 inches is a pretty horrible size disadvantage.

[Banedon]

My point is that Asik was not worth $15 million to the Bulls. Nate won't be worth whatever he will get to the Bulls when you have a better version than Nate in Rose.

 

Asik certainly was worth that to the Bulls and every other team in the NBA.

 

We'll see what Robinson gets in free agency but just because he plays the same position as Rose doesn't mean he's worthless. It's not like a) he wouldn't provide depth and bench scoring and b) he wouldn't be able to play alongside Rose for stretches.

 

Honestly, there's no way we'll be able to get Robinson back. KC Johnson said the same this morning on the radio. Unless he's ok with playing for close to the minimum, there's just no way with the way the Bulls salary is structured.

[Wilson A2000]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

[Guest]

My point is that Asik was not worth $15 million to the Bulls. Nate won't be worth whatever he will get to the Bulls when you have a better version than Nate in Rose.

 

Asik certainly was worth that to the Bulls and every other team in the NBA.

 

We'll see what Robinson gets in free agency but just because he plays the same position as Rose doesn't mean he's worthless. It's not like a) he wouldn't provide depth and bench scoring and b) he wouldn't be able to play alongside Rose for stretches.

 

Honestly, there's no way we'll be able to get Robinson back. KC Johnson said the same this morning on the radio. Unless he's ok with playing for close to the minimum, there's just no way with the way the Bulls salary is structured.

 

Yeah, the cap situation is pretty dire and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in crossing the luxury tax threshold.

[USSoccer]

My point is that Asik was not worth $15 million to the Bulls. Nate won't be worth whatever he will get to the Bulls when you have a better version than Nate in Rose.

 

Asik certainly was worth that to the Bulls and every other team in the NBA.

 

We'll see what Robinson gets in free agency but just because he plays the same position as Rose doesn't mean he's worthless. It's not like a) he wouldn't provide depth and bench scoring and b) he wouldn't be able to play alongside Rose for stretches.

 

Honestly, there's no way we'll be able to get Robinson back. KC Johnson said the same this morning on the radio. Unless he's ok with playing for close to the minimum, there's just no way with the way the Bulls salary is structured.

 

Yeah, the cap situation is pretty dire and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in crossing the luxury tax threshold.

 

I think he's said that he'll exceed that threshold for a winner. If they take the Heat to 6 or 7 or somehow find a way to advance, that could be a factor

[bukie]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

Considering Asik was one of the top 5 centers in the NBA this year, you're getting in way over your head trying to prove an ignorant point.

[Banedon]

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[Guest]

nate is lightning in a bottle right now. we don't really want to sign him long-term anyway.

[Guest]

My point is that Asik was not worth $15 million to the Bulls. Nate won't be worth whatever he will get to the Bulls when you have a better version than Nate in Rose.

 

Asik certainly was worth that to the Bulls and every other team in the NBA.

 

We'll see what Robinson gets in free agency but just because he plays the same position as Rose doesn't mean he's worthless. It's not like a) he wouldn't provide depth and bench scoring and b) he wouldn't be able to play alongside Rose for stretches.

 

Honestly, there's no way we'll be able to get Robinson back. KC Johnson said the same this morning on the radio. Unless he's ok with playing for close to the minimum, there's just no way with the way the Bulls salary is structured.

 

Yeah, the cap situation is pretty dire and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in crossing the luxury tax threshold.

 

I think he's said that he'll exceed that threshold for a winner. If they take the Heat to 6 or 7 or somehow find a way to advance, that could be a factor

 

They've been about the same level for three years now (admittedly, I can somewhat see the point of not going over the threshold this season). His work with the White Sox and MLB CBA is just another indication that he does not care to spend much on his teams. I don't believe Reinsdorf.

[Wilson A2000]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

Considering Asik was one of the top 5 centers in the NBA this year, you're getting in way over your head trying to prove an ignorant point.

 

I'm not saying he's not good. Not $15 mil good on this team with limited minutes. He's not worth it to me when you would have had to say no to more important players. The Bulls already were great at low post D and rebounding with or without Asik.

[Banedon]

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[wolf stansson]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

Considering Asik was one of the top 5 centers in the NBA this year, you're getting in way over your head trying to prove an ignorant point.

Ranking/valuation of Asik aside, keeping him won't win them a championship and losing him gives the organization more flexibility to potentially acquire the kind of player/players that can contribute to a champion.

Now the debate between Taj and Asik is certainly vaild and meaningful, but that's not what you guys are talking about.

[Wilson A2000]

Now the debate between Taj and Asik is certainly vaild and meaningful, but that's not what you guys are talking about.

 

It's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Guest]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

Considering Asik was one of the top 5 centers in the NBA this year, you're getting in way over your head trying to prove an ignorant point.

Ranking/valuation of Asik aside, keeping him won't win them a championship and losing him gives the organization more flexibility to potentially acquire the kind of player/players that can contribute to a champion.

Now the debate between Taj and Asik is certainly vaild and meaningful, but that's not what you guys are talking about.

 

The main reason I'd rather have kept Asik is he's far more valuable than Gibson and Gibson is more easily replaceable.

[DivineBovine]

Ok. Asik was a mistake. But let's not go overboard. I think Thibs deserves a ton of credit for getting guys to play well and make other teams want them. This is similar to other teams wanting one of Peyton Mannings receivers.

 

People actually thought CJ Watson was decent.

 

I think Nate is huge for this team. But he has had years to be good and he just hasn't been.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

You don't sign a backup center for $15 mil a year. Who would the Bulls have been without for Asik's 20 minutes a game?

 

You keep manipulating this '15 mil a year' figure for your argument. The contract was 25 million for 3 years. The first two years were at 5 million and then it was a poison pill like back loaded final year at 15 million.

 

If you want to argue that the final year could have put the Bulls in a difficult cap situation that year, fine, but to just say "he's not worth 15 million a year" is false and misleading.

[DivineBovine]

Colin Cowherd

 

Oh, well yeah...that fits.

 

 

Cowherd has been a huge Rose basher since he was a rookie. He used to be on locally here. I'm sure he toned down his act some since he started airing in Chicago but I see the Rose hate hasn't stopped.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Also, with a healthy Derrick Rose and Thibs, I think it's clear that this team is always a contender. So I really hate that caveat by Reinsdorf that he will only pay the tax if it puts the Bulls over the top.

[CubColtPacer]

 

Yeah, the cap situation is pretty dire and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in crossing the luxury tax threshold.

 

I think he's said that he'll exceed that threshold for a winner. If they take the Heat to 6 or 7 or somehow find a way to advance, that could be a factor

 

They've been about the same level for three years now (admittedly, I can somewhat see the point of not going over the threshold this season). His work with the White Sox and MLB CBA is just another indication that he does not care to spend much on his teams. I don't believe Reinsdorf.

 

The Bulls are over the threshold this year, and unless they amnesty Boozer or trade Deng to a team under the cap they will be again next year.

[Banedon]

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Noah is ... Ben Wallace with guard skills? That doesn't make sense, because part of what made Ben Wallace Ben Wallace was that he had no skills. None that weren't related to rotating and rebounding, at least.

[Wilson A2000]

Also, with a healthy Derrick Rose and Thibs, I think it's clear that this team is always a contender. So I really hate that caveat by Reinsdorf that he will only pay the tax if it puts the Bulls over the top.

 

Over the top means a player that gets them a championship. Nate doesn't do that. If the player or deal comes along that would, I think Reinsdorf would go into luxury tax territory. But he's not spending that to lose to the Heat.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Also, with a healthy Derrick Rose and Thibs, I think it's clear that this team is always a contender. So I really hate that caveat by Reinsdorf that he will only pay the tax if it puts the Bulls over the top.

 

Over the top means a player that gets them a championship. Nate doesn't do that. If the player or deal comes along that would, I think Reinsdorf would go into luxury tax territory. But he's not spending that to lose to the Heat.

 

Doesn't get them a championship? With Rose and Thibs they already have a shot at the title. The goal every year should be to build the best possible team to contend using every possible resource available. If that means Nate Robinson, or some other player, so be it.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

 

Yeah, the cap situation is pretty dire and Reinsdorf has shown no interest in crossing the luxury tax threshold.

 

I think he's said that he'll exceed that threshold for a winner. If they take the Heat to 6 or 7 or somehow find a way to advance, that could be a factor

 

They've been about the same level for three years now (admittedly, I can somewhat see the point of not going over the threshold this season). His work with the White Sox and MLB CBA is just another indication that he does not care to spend much on his teams. I don't believe Reinsdorf.

 

The Bulls are over the threshold this year, and unless they amnesty Boozer or trade Deng to a team under the cap they will be again next year.

What if they buyout RIP?

[Wilson A2000]

Also, with a healthy Derrick Rose and Thibs, I think it's clear that this team is always a contender. So I really hate that caveat by Reinsdorf that he will only pay the tax if it puts the Bulls over the top.

 

Over the top means a player that gets them a championship. Nate doesn't do that. If the player or deal comes along that would, I think Reinsdorf would go into luxury tax territory. But he's not spending that to lose to the Heat.

 

Doesn't get them a championship? With Rose and Thibs they already have a shot at the title. The goal every year should be to build the best possible team to contend using every possible resource available. If that means Nate Robinson, or some other player, so be it.

 

Reinsdorf wants a player that makes the Bulls favorites to win a title. They haven't been favorites since Jordan.