Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters called up!

[RynoRules]

I have high hopes that Jackson can become Mike Cameron...not literally of course because that would be weird, but in terms if production.

[TheDude]

The only difference is that either Soriano will be traded by the deadline or DeJesus in the winter.

I don't see DeJesus being moved. He has exactly the prototype approach at the plate the organization wants. It's debatable whether any of the younger guys can learn anything from him, so that isn't a reason on its own to keep him. But the FO has no pressing need to trade him since he's both affordable and productive. If these younger kids can learn anything from him it's a bonus, so why trade him just because?

[toonsterwu]

The only difference is that either Soriano will be traded by the deadline or DeJesus in the winter.

I don't see DeJesus being moved. He has exactly the prototype approach at the plate the organization wants. It's debatable whether any of the younger guys can learn anything from him, so that isn't a reason on its own to keep him. But the FO has no pressing need to trade him since he's both affordable and productive. If these younger kids can learn anything from him it's a bonus, so why trade him just because?

 

If they get a good offer for DeJesus, I expect they would consider moving him. Short term assets moved = potential long term benefits.

 

That said, my guess is that he'll likely be around as well. There really isn't many top of the order type guys in the system/in the organization, and I still am not a fan of Brett Jackson as a top of the order option (and same goes for Starlin Castro). DeJesus provides some stability in that regards, without putting people in positions that they might not be fit for.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The only difference is that either Soriano will be traded by the deadline or DeJesus in the winter.

I don't see DeJesus being moved. He has exactly the prototype approach at the plate the organization wants. It's debatable whether any of the younger guys can learn anything from him, so that isn't a reason on its own to keep him. But the FO has no pressing need to trade him since he's both affordable and productive. If these younger kids can learn anything from him it's a bonus, so why trade him just because?

 

If they get a good offer for DeJesus, I expect they would consider moving him. Short term assets moved = potential long term benefits.

 

That said, my guess is that he'll likely be around as well. There really isn't many top of the order type guys in the system/in the organization, and I still am not a fan of Brett Jackson as a top of the order option (and same goes for Starlin Castro). DeJesus provides some stability in that regards, without putting people in positions that they might not be fit for.

 

DeJesus could be dealt for a few solid pitching propsects, say 1 big league ready type, like Scott Barnes or Wade Davis (yes, I brought up Wade Davis again)plus a lower level lottery ticket. Also, we could build a package around him to TB for James Shields. For the Rays, DeJesus could be a cheap alternative to BJ Upton, and for us, while Shields is 30, and has only had 1 impressive season in the past 4 years but as scarce as front end pitching seems to be, he could be our best bet. Plus there's the whole AL East to NL Central thing. He's has 9 MM option in 2013 and a 12 MM in 2014.

[El Duderino]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

 

Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson say "hi."

[El Duderino]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

 

Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson say "hi."

 

DeJesus does not have close to the value of Paul Maholm to a team trying to make the playoffs. He's a tweener outfielder who's only great quality is patience at the plate.

[jersey cubs fan]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

 

Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson say "hi."

 

apples and oranges. Paul Maholm is a left handed starting pitcher who has been quite effective this season while David Dejesus has been a completely unimpressive RF. LH starting pitching is going to get overvalued, pitchers pitching well are going to get a nice return midseason. Completely replacable bats like DeJesus probably aren't.

[Sammy Sofa]

Reed Johnson was also more appealing because a team is off the hook for him. DeJesus is just OK, he's old, and teams are stuck with him another year.

[Theo]

tomato, tomahto

[biittner77]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

 

Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson say "hi."

 

apples and oranges. Paul Maholm is a left handed starting pitcher who has been quite effective this season while David Dejesus has been a completely unimpressive RF. LH starting pitching is going to get overvalued, pitchers pitching well are going to get a nice return midseason. Completely replacable bats like DeJesus probably aren't.

 

How is DeJesus defensively in CF? If he can play an acceptable CF that increases his value- though not to the level of an effective starting pitcher.

[Little Slide Rooter]

DeJesus came as cheap as he did because he was coming off a horrible 2011 following a 2010 which he lost half of to injury.

[Little Slide Rooter]

DeJesus could be dealt for jack [expletive]. Anyone could have had him on the cheap last winter.

 

Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson say "hi."

 

apples and oranges. Paul Maholm is a left handed starting pitcher who has been quite effective this season while David Dejesus has been a completely unimpressive RF. LH starting pitching is going to get overvalued, pitchers pitching well are going to get a nice return midseason. Completely replacable bats like DeJesus probably aren't.

 

How is DeJesus defensively in CF? If he can play an acceptable CF that increases his value- though not to the level of an effective starting pitcher.

 

Normally, no. But we're talking a team with pitching to spare and not a ton of money. Their starting CF is likely to depart, and DeJesus is a very cheap replacement for his production. They could avoid paying Shields, 20 MM the next two years. It might not sound like much, but to a smaller market team that has to compete with two of the highest payrolls in baseball on a much smaller budget, especially when they have no shortage of younger and far more cost effective options.

[El Duderino]

Tampa Bay's starting CF for 2013 is already playing for them in LF.

[cubweiser03]

Good god, the starting infield payroll the cubs in 2013 could be $2M, and I'm not knocking the talent.

Rizzo-ink him in for 2013

Barney-ink him unless they pull of a trade.

Castro-ink him in unless traded.

Vitters-pencil him in unless he fails miserablly. I don't see that. Impressed with his AAA development and numbers this year. So he doesnt walk like youkalis, it's not like he is a huge hacker either. I don't see the urgency of this regime to trade him. He's 22 and had a pretty darn good year in His first year at AAA.

[ConstableRabbit]

Good god, the starting infield payroll the cubs in 2013 could be $2M, and I'm not knocking the talent.

Rizzo-ink him in for 2013

Barney-ink him unless they pull of a trade.

Castro-ink him in unless traded.

Vitters-pencil him in unless he fails miserablly. I don't see that. Impressed with his AAA development and numbers this year. So he doesnt walk like youkalis, it's not like he is a huge hacker either. I don't see the urgency of this regime to trade him. He's 22 and had a pretty darn good year in His first year at AAA.

...and don't forget Castillo!

[davell]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

 

I think Vitters is a goner. The fact they're not going to play him everyday seems to indicate they're trying to ease him into a big league role, or more likely, that they want to keep his numbers as healthy as possible for trade reasons.

[KingCubsFan]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

I don't think you can group Vitters and Jackson together. Jackson is the type of player our FO seems to like: good all-around player, solid defender, patience at the plate, etc. The problem is obviously the strikeouts, and maybe they want to see if Sveum and his staff can work on that. That's really Jackson's only weakness.

[CUBZ99]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

 

I think Vitters is a goner. The fact they're not going to play him everyday seems to indicate they're trying to ease him into a big league role, or more likely, that they want to keep his numbers as healthy as possible for trade reasons.

 

You could be right, but I think we need to wait and see how they actually use Vitters. Isn't it possible that Sveum was pushing for Vitters to get called up, and wants to work with him on defense prior to giving him the majority of the playing time?

[Gilby]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

 

I strongly believe at least one will be moved for a young pitcher. I tend to believe Vitters is more likely to be moved because of the way they are planning to "mix and match" with him for the rest of the season. I don't mean to overreact to that statement by Dale, but that sounds more like making him look as good as possible in the winter as opposed to totally finding out what he's got.

[Named After Maddux]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

 

I strongly believe at least one will be moved for a young pitcher. I tend to believe Vitters is more likely to be moved because of the way they are planning to "mix and match" with him for the rest of the season. I don't mean to overreact to that statement by Dale, but that sounds more like making him look as good as possible in the winter as opposed to totally finding out what he's got.

 

I agree. In addition there was the report from ABTY about teh Braves and Cubs resuming discussions about Delgado to the Cubs for Vitters and/or Jackson. If it ends up being Vitters + for Delgado, it would make a lot of sense for both imo.

[neely crenshaw]

Need will be the basis of any trade involving DeJesus. He has been very solid for us, but he would probably fit into a contenders LF more than CF or RF. If the Yankees hadn't grabbed Ichiro, I could see them looking at Dejesus as a filler in their OF. He has been better than Ichiro but not the name or history.

Don't see him as a off season deal because as was stated we grabbed him on the cheap because of injury/down season. There will be plenty of options like that in the offseason to try at no trade cost.

However at next years deadline if he has a similar season, someone with an injury that needs a short term fill could go for it.

 

Also as for as trading him, unless someone really feels he's blocking a prospect (which I don't see) there isn't a reason to move him. Al ot depends on movement of LaHair,Soriano, the development of Jackson and/or free agent pickups

[biittner77]

Yeah, Castillo's there. The more I think about things, I'd say there's at least a 25% chance both Brett and Vitters are dealt and well over a 50% chance at least one is.

 

I strongly believe at least one will be moved for a young pitcher. I tend to believe Vitters is more likely to be moved because of the way they are planning to "mix and match" with him for the rest of the season. I don't mean to overreact to that statement by Dale, but that sounds more like making him look as good as possible in the winter as opposed to totally finding out what he's got.

 

I agree. In addition there was the report from ABTY about teh Braves and Cubs resuming discussions about Delgado to the Cubs for Vitters and/or Jackson. If it ends up being Vitters + for Delgado, it would make a lot of sense for both imo.

 

So the Braves want to see Jackson against everybody but they only need to see Vitters in the short side of a platoon? If the Braves really wanted Vitters for Delgado, couldn't they just scout what he does at AAA? I can't believe they'd make their decision about him based on ~100 PAs.

[Elrhino]

If the Cubs truly wanted to just trade Vitters off, they were pretty stupid to promote him instead of just letting him mash AAA pitching. Particularly given his pattern of initial struggles after a promotion. Seems much more likely to me they're just gauging the likelihood he can fill in at 3B in 2013, at least in a platoon, and where they need to put a temporary 3B bandaid on the priority list going into the offseason.