The Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread...

[davell]

Personally, I think 12.5 would be a ton for him. If he pitches well the rwst of the year though, I could see it as a possibility. He's a guy I had earmarked for a 1-2 year deal for us as well.

[davell]

Williams catches a ton of [expletive]. Some of it rightfully so. But he's active, no doubt about that. He wants to win bad, every year. Adding Youkilis, Myers, and Liriano, with a horrible system, is a very solid job by him this year.

[UMFan83]

I love how the White Sox were supposed to rebuild this year and they have a little success and all the sudden they are back to making a ton of deadline deals like they do every year. I guess the playoffs are a bit of a crapshoot but they seem to fall in the trap where they are just good enough to compete for a playoff spot every year but not good enough to be a serious contender.

[mookie]

Personally, I think 12.5 would be a ton for him. If he pitches well the rwst of the year though, I could see it as a possibility. He's a guy I had earmarked for a 1-2 year deal for us as well.

 

I wouldn't get too worried about the 12.5 with Liriano. He would have to put on one of the most dominant stretches in baseball history to get a deal over 10 mil. per next season.

[Guest]

What are the chances the Sox make a qualifying offer on Liriano in the offseason? He's a guy I've been hoping we could grab in FA as an upside buy who could net us good prospects at the deadline next year, but I certainly wouldn't give any sort of a pick for him.

 

You can't make a qualifying offer on a guy you trade for that season.

 

I mean, Kenny might as well sell prospects for guys like Youkilis and Liriano. When your strategy is "get to 80 wins by whatever means necessary" every single year, you might as well try to seize a weak division with the benefits a division title gets you now. I'm not sure that approach makes him all that competent, as the 2 playoff appearances in 11 years attest, but it does help keep the fans interested. Maybe that's more important for them than I give it credit for.

[davell]

Yeah, brain fart. If we trade Maholm though, I could see Liriano as a replacement. Marcum or McCarthy possibly sliding into a frontline spot for us, if either takes a 2 year deal. I don't see us going over two years on anyone this upcoming offseason, unless Upton could be had on a decent contract.

[SouthSideRyan]

but it does help keep the fans interested.

 

But it doesn't. They're averaging ~22,000 per game this year.

[XZero771679666304]

but it does help keep the fans interested.

 

But it doesn't. They're averaging ~22,000 per game this year.

 

Everything's relative, particularly when it comes to Sox fans.

[Backtobanks]

Williams catches a ton of [expletive]. Some of it rightfully so. But he's active, no doubt about that. He wants to win bad, every year. Adding Youkilis, Myers, and Liriano, with a horrible system, is a very solid job by him this year.

 

I hate Williams and Reinsdorf, but I've got to admit somehow Williams gets things done. Don't forget that "horrible system" has produced a bunch of players on the ML roster as well as the trade bait necessary to get the veterans to make a run for the playoffs.

[dew1679666265]

You can't make a qualifying offer on a guy you trade for that season.

 

Good point, that completely slipped my mind.

[Guest]

but it does help keep the fans interested.

 

But it doesn't. They're averaging ~22,000 per game this year.

 

I meant relatively, how bad would it be if they had our record? I could easily be wrong though, which would mean there's even less excuse for Kenny.

[Guest]

I hate Williams and Reinsdorf, but I've got to admit somehow Williams gets things done.

 

If Kenny is getting it done, than I have to assume you'll be okay with waiting 5 years for a playoff appearance and making the playoffs twice in 11 years with our front office.

[USSoccer]

Williams catches a ton of [expletive]. Some of it rightfully so. But he's active, no doubt about that. He wants to win bad, every year. Adding Youkilis, Myers, and Liriano, with a horrible system, is a very solid job by him this year.

 

I hate Williams and Reinsdorf, but I've got to admit somehow Williams gets things done. Don't forget that "horrible system" has produced a bunch of players on the ML roster as well as the trade bait necessary to get the veterans to make a run for the playoffs.

 

Their success rate for getting into the playoffs is worse than Hendry's, and thanks to his reckless trading of assets for declining veterans in quixotic pushes for the postseason, their system sucks.

[Sammy Sofa]

Williams catches a ton of [expletive]. Some of it rightfully so. But he's active, no doubt about that. He wants to win bad, every year. Adding Youkilis, Myers, and Liriano, with a horrible system, is a very solid job by him this year.

 

I hate Williams and Reinsdorf, but I've got to admit somehow Williams gets things done. Don't forget that "horrible system" has produced a bunch of players on the ML roster as well as the trade bait necessary to get the veterans to make a run for the playoffs.

 

Most of those players suck and the team usually sucks. How the hell is this "getting things done?"

[Benchwarmer]

Their success rate for getting into the playoffs is worse than Hendry's, and thanks to his reckless trading of assets for declining veterans in quixotic pushes for the postseason, their system sucks.

 

Many people don't consider 'just making the playoffs a success' like you do. They did win the WS and that's still something we can't say. The failure of Hendry still hangs over this club and will until we dump Soriano, etc... I'm no fan of Kenny but he's managed on a smaller budget and is apparently a better judge of value than Hendry ever was.

[Guest]

Are we really going to go down the road of debating that Kenny can intentionally build a team to win in the playoffs, but somehow can't build a team to even make the playoffs more than twice a decade? Also, the White Sox haven't been below 95 million in payroll for a long time, and have had a higher payroll than the Cubs for 5 of the last 7 years(and fewer playoff appearances in that time frame to boot). Williams is not some poor man's Moneyballer.

[Sammy Sofa]

Their success rate for getting into the playoffs is worse than Hendry's, and thanks to his reckless trading of assets for declining veterans in quixotic pushes for the postseason, their system sucks.

 

Many people don't consider 'just making the playoffs a success' like you do. They did win the WS and that's still something we can't say. The failure of Hendry still hangs over this club and will until we dump Soriano, etc... I'm no fan of Kenny but he's managed on a smaller budget and is apparently a better judge of value than Hendry ever was.

 

They're basically the same GM.

[Sammy Sofa]

But the Cubs aren't going to be good until they trade Soriano and hose down Hendry's favorite chair or something.

[USSoccer]

Their success rate for getting into the playoffs is worse than Hendry's, and thanks to his reckless trading of assets for declining veterans in quixotic pushes for the postseason, their system sucks.

 

Many people don't consider 'just making the playoffs a success' like you do. They did win the WS and that's still something we can't say. The failure of Hendry still hangs over this club and will until we dump Soriano, etc... I'm no fan of Kenny but he's managed on a smaller budget and is apparently a better judge of value than Hendry ever was.

 

I've bolded the incorrect parts of this, just to save time.

 

And again, Hendry-built Cubs teams made the playoffs 3 times. In that same timeframe, the White Sox have made the playoffs twice. They're basically the same GM.

[Backtobanks]

I hate Williams and Reinsdorf, but I've got to admit somehow Williams gets things done.

 

If Kenny is getting it done, than I have to assume you'll be okay with waiting 5 years for a playoff appearance and making the playoffs twice in 11 years with our front office.

 

As I posted before, I'm certainly not a fan of Williams. As for waiting 5 years for a playoff appearance, we'll have to wait and see if Theo gets us there.

[Sammy Sofa]

Look at this guy and his shtick here.

[davell]

Young whippersnappers and their new fangled ideas.

[Post Count Padder]

The Diamondbacks have acquired third baseman Chris Johnson from the Astros for minor league outfielders Marc Krauss and Bobby Borchering, the teams announced. Borchering, 21, was Arizona's first round pick in the 2009 draft while Krauss, 24, was taken in the second round of the same draft.

 

Good trade for the Astros. I don't know where those guys ranked in the D-Backs' system but their numbers are intriguing. And Johnson is a pretty meh third baseman.

[Guest]

I can't believe they got Borchering in that deal.

[Benchwarmer]

Their success rate for getting into the playoffs is worse than Hendry's, and thanks to his reckless trading of assets for declining veterans in quixotic pushes for the postseason, their system sucks.

 

Many people don't consider 'just making the playoffs a success' like you do. They did win the WS and that's still something we can't say. The failure of Hendry still hangs over this club and will until we dump Soriano, etc... I'm no fan of Kenny but he's managed on a smaller budget and is apparently a better judge of value than Hendry ever was.

 

I've bolded the incorrect parts of this, just to save time.

 

And again, Hendry-built Cubs teams made the playoffs 3 times. In that same timeframe, the White Sox have made the playoffs twice. They're basically the same GM.

 

Same GM? One has a WS ring and is still employed.

 

The other..outside looking in.

 

You're incorrect again.