Justin Upton

[Guest]

The answer was supposed to be "Cleveland doesn't have an IKEA".

[Guest]

My bad.

[Clem Fandango]

YOU DO NOT DEPRIVE THE GOOD PEOPLE OF CLEVELAND AN IKEA!!!

[Little Slide Rooter]

@Buster_ESPN: As of this evening, Diamondbacks are not close to a Justin Upton trade. Some of the teams that have expressed interest are non-contenders.

 

Interesting. They that the reason we're trying to expedite a Dempster trade is to focus on a Garza trade, but could the could the actual reason be to acquire some prospects worth flipping to Arizona?

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them. Obviously, neither would be the main piece, which could come from the Dempster return.

[KingCubsFan]

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them.

Seriously? You could put the four of them together and Arizona would hang up laughing.

[Tryptamine]

@Buster_ESPN: As of this evening, Diamondbacks are not close to a Justin Upton trade. Some of the teams that have expressed interest are non-contenders.

 

Interesting. They that the reason we're trying to expedite a Dempster trade is to focus on a Garza trade, but could the could the actual reason be to acquire some prospects worth flipping to Arizona?

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them. Obviously, neither would be the main piece, which could come from the Dempster return.

 

I'd be all for moving Castro, of course I'd need Skaggs to be added to Upton which surely wont happen.

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them.

Seriously? You could put the four of them together and Arizona would hang up laughing.

 

Which is why we'd be trying to get something substantial for Dempster that we could flip over along with them.

[davell]

Come on man. Do you really think Arizona is going to trade Upton without at least one elite talent coming back? You can look at your offer there and realize it makes no sense at all, unless the Cubs and Diamondbacks are the only two teams that play baseball.

[Sammy Sofa]

Uh, maybe you hadn't heard, but WSR talked about how the Cubs could add in JEFF BAKER to a deal. NOW WHO'S LAUGHING?

[Proven Veteran]

Uh, maybe you hadn't heard, but WSR talked about how the Cubs could add in JEFF BAKER to a deal. NOW WHO'S LAUGHING?

 

He hit a home run tonight, sell high!!

[Little Slide Rooter]

Come on man. Do you really think Arizona is going to trade Upton without at least one elite talent coming back? You can look at your offer there and realize it makes no sense at all, unless the Cubs and Diamondbacks are the only two teams that play baseball.

 

And say we did end up pulling Gould and Tolleson for Dempster. I think that the two of them plus Jackson or Szczur and Lake and/or Barney gets our foot very much in the door.

[USSoccer]

Come on man. Do you really think Arizona is going to trade Upton without at least one elite talent coming back? You can look at your offer there and realize it makes no sense at all, unless the Cubs and Diamondbacks are the only two teams that play baseball.

 

And say we did end up pulling Gould and Tolleson for Dempster. I think that the two of them plus Jackson or Szczur and Lake and/or Barney gets our foot very much in the door.

 

Totally.

[KingCubsFan]

Come on man. Do you really think Arizona is going to trade Upton without at least one elite talent coming back? You can look at your offer there and realize it makes no sense at all, unless the Cubs and Diamondbacks are the only two teams that play baseball.

 

And say we did end up pulling Gould and Tolleson for Dempster. I think that the two of them plus Jackson or Szczur and Lake and/or Barney gets our foot very much in the door.

Trading a ton of mediocrity doesn't get you a talent like Upton.

[cubfan]

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them.

Seriously? You could put the four of them together and Arizona would hang up laughing.

 

Probably not going to be enough either way but that is one hell of miss quote when you cut off the "Obviously, neither would be the main piece, which could come from the Dempster return." from the original post

[KingCubsFan]

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them.

Seriously? You could put the four of them together and Arizona would hang up laughing.

 

Probably not going to be enough either way but that is one hell of miss quote when you cut off the "Obviously, neither would be the main piece, which could come from the Dempster return." from the original post

Yeah, I realized that after I posted. But I still think the main piece in a Dempster trade could never be the main piece in an Upton trade, no matter how many of our flawed prospects you throw in.

[cubfan]

 

@Buster_ESPN: It still appears the Pirates and the Diamondbacks don't match up on a Justin Upton trade. PIT has pitching, but Ariz. priority is SS help.

 

Castro should be nowhere near the table. However, Darwin Barney and/or Junior Lake could be enticing pieces to a deal. However, we'd need a few much more exciting pieces as the centerpieces. Brett Jackson or Matt Szczur could be one of them.

Seriously? You could put the four of them together and Arizona would hang up laughing.

 

Probably not going to be enough either way but that is one hell of miss quote when you cut off the "Obviously, neither would be the main piece, which could come from the Dempster return." from the original post

Yeah, I realized that after I posted. But I still think the main piece in a Dempster trade could never be the main piece in an Upton trade, no matter how many of our flawed prospects you throw in.

 

I agree unless we get a hell of a lot more for Dempster than anyone expects and I think the expectations are pretty high already.

[Guest]

While Upton is not going to get traded for an assortment of knickknacks, it's important to remember that 1) He's been merely okay this year 2) he's only being shopped because of some kinda scary injury concerns. With that mitigating factor, I don't think that something centered around our MLB-ready assets is that laughable. Depending on your evaluation, Barney (especially at SS), Jackson, Castillo, and Vitters could all easily be considered guys that are soon to be above average major leaguers. Is that enough to get Upton relative to other offers? I don't know, I don't know what all is on the table from other teams, and maybe Arizona would rather have guys with higher upside that are further away. But when you explore trading a guy like Upton right now, they have to have either significant injury concerns, or they value him differently than all of us out here on the internet(or both). As such, I don't think it's a non-starter to think that we can build a deal around MLB ready assets.

[Cubswin11]

What about Olt/Castellanos (assuming we can get one for Garza), Barney, and one of Lake/Candelario (I'd hate to lose him but would be willing to trade him for Upton). Too much? Too little?

[rawaction]

What about Olt/Castellanos (assuming we can get one for Garza), Barney, and one of Lake/Candelario (I'd hate to lose him but would be willing to trade him for Upton). Too much? Too little?

 

What's the point of getting Olt/Castellanos and then trading him for Upton? I understand Upton is good with a chance to be one of the best players in the MLB, but I'd imagine the Cubs would rather have the cheaper player, under control for 6 years, at a harder position to fill over Upton.

[Guest]

No, I think they'd rather have Upton.

[davell]

I still don't think that's nearly enough. Plenty on here scoffed at getting back Bundy and Machado for Castro. Upton, to Arizona and to quite a few others is at least on a par, value-wise with Castro. The injury concern? Who knows? But my guess is instead of trading him for scraps, Arizona would let him try to build his value back up and prove the injury concern is false. You don't panic and trade a guy like him. They can ride this out and my guess is that's what they'll do. Maybe explore it again over the offseason, after he plays much better in the 2nd half(hopefully, for them).

[rawaction]

No, I think they'd rather have Upton.

 

Reasoning?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No, I think they'd rather have Upton.

 

Reasoning?

 

He's really good at baseball.

[rawaction]

No, I think they'd rather have Upton.

 

Reasoning?

 

He's really good at baseball.

 

He's not this year. He's an average player this year and only really has 2 good seasons of his 5 so far. With the shoulder injury, that makes it even more iffy that he ever takes that next step. His age and team friendly contract make him very attractive, but I question whether that makes him more attractive than a package of a productive major leaguer (Barney), and prospects, including at least 1 in the top 25 in all of minor league baseball (Olt/Castellanos)....especially for a rebuilding team.

[Guest]

Getting 3 win players to surround your 6 win players is a lot easier than the reverse. Upton isn't a guaranteed stud, but that's why he's available. Be thorough with the medical aspect, and if it checks out, then go after him whole heartedly. Players of his caliber are very rarely available at his age.