Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[javy knows my name]

Consider this: It was always known and respected, by everyone, that Dempster greatly preferred LA over any other destination. But, our shrewd front office being the pimps that they are, may have just tested the waters in Atlanta and found that they were inexplicably willing to part with Delgado. They go "holy [expletive], really?" and now have to convince Dempster to make a choice that, while discussed was never really on the table, practically speaking. Add in the media exacerbating the situation and possibly scooping the FO straight to Dempster, and he just gets hit with a ton of bricks with no one really at fault.

[Exile on Waveland]

Paul Sullivan ‏@PWSullivan

Demp: Decision "gets harder when something that wasn't supposed to become public knowledge becomes public knowledge."

 

That makes no sense, at all. The paradigm of Dempster's decision did not change with the "leak." (If he thought he could make the decision, turn down the trade offer to the Braves, and never have that become public knowledge, he's foolishly naive -- the media is quite good at discovering such information.)

 

Remember a couple pages ago when it wasn't kosher to be annoyed with Dempster? That was cute.

 

It was never kosher to be a raving [expletive] lunatic before you knew what was going on.

 

Annoyance is not raving lunacy.

[dew1679666265]

Because if it comes down to it, we could just offer him arby and get anoother year of him or the comp pick (s) rather than saying gee Ned, thanks for Juan Uribe and that bag of balls.

 

You think the Dodgers would buy that we'd be happy just holding onto Dempster? With as clear as it is that we're in a full rebuild and not planning to contend at least through next season, I'd say the threat of keeping a 36 year old pitcher will fall on deaf ears.

 

Dempster nixes this trade, the Dodgers have 100% of the leverage - no matter how good the Theo regime is at negotiating.

[23sharks]

Consider this: It was always known and respected, by everyone, that Dempster greatly preferred LA over any other destination. But, our shrewd front office being the pimps that they are, may have just tested the waters in Atlanta and found that they were inexplicably willing to part with Delgado. They go "holy [expletive], really?" and now have to convince Dempster to make a choice that, while discussed was never really on the table, practically speaking. Add in the media exacerbating the situation and possibly scooping the FO straight to Dempster, and he just gets hit with a ton of bricks with no one really at fault.

 

I can see it playing out this way too....

I highly doubt Dempster ever told them "yeah, I'd accept a trade to the Braves", and then turn around and do this. He doesn't seem like that type of guy.

[ctcf]

BREAKING

 

randall delgado ‏@RandallDelgado

Bla bla..

[rawaction]

What are the odds that the Cubs can use this to their advantage? Take the Dodgers trade, whatever it may be as long as it's reasonable and then spin Garza off to the Braves, who are obviously still looking for pitching.

 

Garza for Delgado, Salcedo and others

Dempster for Eovaldi and another pitching prospect

[Guest]

I don't get it, Atlanta is a good team this year, I can't speak for itself as a city(only passed through), but it's not a complete dump like Detroit or Cleveland, I really don't get it. Bite me Dempster, you cost us Delgado.

 

it is a pretty crappy city though. The Applebee's of major US cities.

 

 

Oooh, I like that. Never thought of it that way, but that's dead on.

 

They used to try to sell themselves as the New York of the south. lol

 

EDIT - whoops, missed xzero's post

Edited July 24, 2012 by David

[ScrubMD]

It's 2 months, Ryan. Don't be a dick.

[XZero771679666304]

What are the odds that the Cubs can use this to their advantage? Take the Dodgers trade, whatever it may be as long as it's reasonable and then spin Garza off to the Braves, who are obviously still looking for pitching.

 

Garza for Delgado, Salcedo and others

Dempster for Eovaldi and another pitching prospect

 

The Cubs can absolutely use this to their advantage, for a while. They could say "Ryan would like to come to LA, but is willing to go to ATL if you can't match their offer."

 

But if he actually declines ATL, Jed and Theo are screwed.

[ctcf]

Brett Taylor ‏@BleacherNation

RT @ajcbraves: Not officially or unofficially. "@dillonherbert: @ajcbraves is Dempster deal officially off the table?"

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So Dempster is mad at the media for doing their job? And to get back at them he's going to spite the Cubs organization? That seems misplaced.

 

I think he always preferred going to the Dodgers and was really hoping to go there. I think now he knows that if he rejects this trade, he kills his value, so he's angry it leaked.

 

With the rumors that were swirling this weekend, he may have also believed he would go to LA and is miffed over the process.

[dew1679666265]

What are the odds that the Cubs can use this to their advantage? Take the Dodgers trade, whatever it may be as long as it's reasonable and then spin Garza off to the Braves, who are obviously still looking for pitching.

 

Garza for Delgado, Salcedo and others

Dempster for Eovaldi and another pitching prospect

 

This may be nitpicking, but I think I'd want more from Atlanta for Garza - I'd want it to center around Teheran.

 

And why would the Dodgers still give us Eovaldi knowing Dempster is limiting our options to them or nobody? Colletti's not very good at what he does, so I guess it's possible he won't react to this, but I'd expect the Dodgers' offer to plummet if Demp nixes this trade.

[Guest]

 

With the rumors that were swirling this weekend, he may have also believed he would go to LA and is miffed over the process.

Who knows, but maybe he's pissed that the Cubs didn't accept whatever offer the Dodgers made. Then again maybe he's getting his [expletive] together for his disabled daughter and the rest of his family so the transition can be a smooth as possible while he is gone for awhile.

 

If he nixes the trade I won't hold any hard feelings, he's earned the right.

[imb]

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randall delgado ‏@RandallDelgado

Bla bla..

 

Hahahahhahahahhahahaha

[Guest]

So Dempster is mad at the media for doing their job? And to get back at them he's going to spite the Cubs organization? That seems misplaced.

 

I think it's more complex than that. Despite Exile's objections, I think under different circumstances Dempster could have rejected a trade without it being completely obvious to the whole world. Word may have leaked from somewhere, but this instance was so widespread that there's really zero doubt that this deal was in place. Plausible deniability matters in trade negotiations. So now if Dempster rejects this he's damaged the team's leverage in other negotiations, maybe(MAYBE) to the point where they might not be able to deal him at all, if the FO is following the rabbit trail I mentioned earlier. So due to no fault of his own(or the Cubs), Dempster may have been forced into a lose/lose decision.

[XZero771679666304]

What are the odds that the Cubs can use this to their advantage? Take the Dodgers trade, whatever it may be as long as it's reasonable and then spin Garza off to the Braves, who are obviously still looking for pitching.

 

Garza for Delgado, Salcedo and others

Dempster for Eovaldi and another pitching prospect

 

This may be nitpicking, but I think I'd want more from Atlanta for Garza - I'd want it to center around Teheran.

 

And why would the Dodgers still give us Eovaldi knowing Dempster is limiting our options to them or nobody? Colletti's not very good at what he does, so I guess it's possible he won't react to this, but I'd expect the Dodgers' offer to plummet if Demp nixes this trade.

 

They don't know it's them or nobody, and neither do we. It seems implicit, but he didn't veto it immediately, so the door is still open. It would be simple to leverage this as a "Ryan would prefer L.A., and that is why he is waiting; to give you an opportunity to match or approximate their offer. If you don't, he is receptive to Atlanta."

[ctcf]

Not surprising, but...

 

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman

Dempster's decision to wait has led a number of teams to call the #Braves today about their top pitching prospects.

[XZero771679666304]

Not surprising, but...

 

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman

Dempster's decision to wait has led a number of teams to call the #Braves today about their top pitching prospects.

 

Yeah, shocking stuff. Feared that from the moment this started to drag out.

 

The upside is that Demp has been really good and the Cubs are probably willing to eat the remainder of his salary.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Obligatory show up on Dempster's doorstep with a forehead needle full of heroin post, although I still don't get the reference.

[Theo]

The Cubs have been nothing but great to Dempster his entire tenure here, I'm shocked he would screw them like this.

[JockJones]

Obligatory show up on Dempster's doorstep with a forehead needle full of heroin post, although I still don't get the reference.

 

I'm glad you realized the need to make the post, though.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Obligatory show up on Dempster's doorstep with a forehead needle full of heroin post, although I still don't get the reference.

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[Little Slide Rooter]

Not surprising, but...

 

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman

Dempster's decision to wait has led a number of teams to call the #Braves today about their top pitching prospects.

 

Yeah, shocking stuff. Feared that from the moment this started to drag out.

 

The upside is that Demp has been really good and the Cubs are probably willing to eat the remainder of his salary.

 

The other upiside is that their are only three available pitchers who would be better or comparable to Dempster, each of which would be far more costly than Dempster, in terms of prospects.

[Guest]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP QUOTING THAT GUY

[Bryants Disco Ball]

So if greinke pitches well tonight, do we lose Delgado to the crew? Because that would be extra annoying to me.