Re: College Basketball 2012-2013

[illiniguy]

Three point shooter got drilled, elbow thrown underneath and Purdue is shooting free throws. That seems about right.

Illinois is going to have an extremely tough time in the Big 10 if the refs let teams play this physical (read "foul constantly") against them.

 

True, but when your offense is predicated on taking outside shots combined with no real inside threat, you reduce your chances of drawing fouls.

Yeah, but again with our roster construction what choice do we reall have? The big thing is they have to call it even. You can't call us for touch fouls while allowing purdue to hold and grab every drive.

[Bruno7481]

They don't really have another option, they are making the best of what they have. Not going to be a team that gets to the line much.

[gflore34]

If they could have gotten a [expletive] rebound or two, its not close enough that all those BS plays matter.

[brinoch]

Three point shooter got drilled, elbow thrown underneath and Purdue is shooting free throws. That seems about right.

Illinois is going to have an extremely tough time in the Big 10 if the refs let teams play this physical (read "foul constantly") against them.

 

True, but when your offense is predicated on taking outside shots combined with no real inside threat, you reduce your chances of drawing fouls.

Yeah, but again with our roster construction what choice do we reall have? The big thing is they have to call it even. You can't call us for touch fouls while allowing purdue to hold and grab every drive.

 

B1G on the road team. It's pretty bad.

[gflore34]

I believe 9-9 is still a very real possibility and, eat it up Boliers, because your streak vs. the Illini ends in Champaign.

[Smack]

Purdue had 2 less fouls than Illinois at the 2:30 mark and then Illinois fouled the last 4 times on purpose. Even with those last free throws we only had a 5 free throw attempt advantage. 16 missed three pointers crippled Illinois.

[mul21]

Purdue had 2 less fouls than Illinois at the 2:30 mark and then Illinois fouled the last 4 times on purpose. Even with those last free throws we only had a 5 free throw attempt advantage. 16 missed three pointers crippled Illinois.

 

Well yeah, but Purdue was fouling and not getting called. There weren't bad calls against Illinois for the most part, just a lack of fouls against Purdue that should have been called.

 

Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of the dumb things Illinois did, like failing to go to the hole when they couldn't hit a jumper to save their lives.

[illiniguy]

Purdue had 2 less fouls than Illinois at the 2:30 mark and then Illinois fouled the last 4 times on purpose. Even with those last free throws we only had a 5 free throw attempt advantage. 16 missed three pointers crippled Illinois.

 

Well yeah, but Purdue was fouling and not getting called. There weren't bad calls against Illinois for the most part, just a lack of fouls against Purdue that should have been called.

 

Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of the dumb things Illinois did, like failing to go to the hole when they couldn't hit a jumper to save their lives.

You aren't gonna convince him. He's grown up thinking that's how basketballis supposed to be played. There's a reason purdue doesn't usually do very well in the tournament. That gets called for fouls outside of the big ten.

[Smack]

Purdue had 2 less fouls than Illinois at the 2:30 mark and then Illinois fouled the last 4 times on purpose. Even with those last free throws we only had a 5 free throw attempt advantage. 16 missed three pointers crippled Illinois.

 

Well yeah, but Purdue was fouling and not getting called. There weren't bad calls against Illinois for the most part, just a lack of fouls against Purdue that should have been called.

 

Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of the dumb things Illinois did, like failing to go to the hole when they couldn't hit a jumper to save their lives.

You aren't gonna convince him. He's grown up thinking that's how basketballis supposed to be played. There's a reason purdue doesn't usually do very well in the tournament. That gets called for fouls outside of the big ten.

 

I grew up in Indiana, like that coach of yours.

[illiniguy]

Purdue had 2 less fouls than Illinois at the 2:30 mark and then Illinois fouled the last 4 times on purpose. Even with those last free throws we only had a 5 free throw attempt advantage. 16 missed three pointers crippled Illinois.

 

Well yeah, but Purdue was fouling and not getting called. There weren't bad calls against Illinois for the most part, just a lack of fouls against Purdue that should have been called.

 

Now, that doesn't excuse a lot of the dumb things Illinois did, like failing to go to the hole when they couldn't hit a jumper to save their lives.

You aren't gonna convince him. He's grown up thinking that's how basketballis supposed to be played. There's a reason purdue doesn't usually do very well in the tournament. That gets called for fouls outside of the big ten.

 

I grew up in Indiana, like that coach of yours.

Ok, great? You grew up a fan of that system and it works in the big ten. Look at Wisconsin, but also look at how they generally struggle to make deep tourney runs. Kind of like how you guys do. But please instead of taking this serious tell me how we have sucked recently. As if I don't know this.

[Smack]

When did I say Illinois has sucked recently? You're 13-2 and ranked #11 in the nation. Good grief. The B1G is known by everyone as the most physical conference in the country. They have been as long as I can remember.

[illiniguy]

When did I say Illinois has sucked recently? You're 13-2 and ranked #11 in the nation. Good grief. The B1G is known by everyone as the most physical conference in the country. They have been as long as I can remember.

Previous to this year we have sucked for about 5 years. Save one year where we were ok. It's been awful.

[hawkeyecub]

Not to interrupt the D.J. Byrd bashing but Sheehey is still easily the biggest douche in the conference. Forgot to post that the other day. I think he bugs me more than Kramer.

[Smack]

Not to interrupt the D.J. Byrd bashing but Sheehey is still easily the biggest douche in the conference. Forgot to post that the other day. I think he bugs me more than Kramer.

 

Aaron Craft is in the discussion too.

[illiniguy]

Not to interrupt the D.J. Byrd bashing but Sheehey is still easily the biggest douche in the conference. Forgot to post that the other day. I think he bugs me more than Kramer.

 

Aaron Craft is in the discussion too.

This, and what the helll has happened to his shot recently?

[scarey]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

[illiniguy]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

Because the big ten is ok with a physical style of play that doesn't fly outside of the conference. A one point last night with about 10 to go Tyler griffey drove, pump faked, got DJ Byrd to jump and land on him. No call was made so we reset the offense. In no way can that happen, thats not good aggressive defense. Thats a mugging. How can you not think there isn't a little something to this when you guys and Wisconsin, the two best defensive big ten teams every year, never do as well as you should once the tournament starts? I mean you guys had a great team for three straight years and never really sniffed a final four.

[Smack]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

Because the big ten is ok with a physical style of play that doesn't fly outside of the conference. A one point last night with about 10 to go Tyler griffey drove, pump faked, got DJ Byrd to jump and land on him. No call was made so we reset the offense. In no way can that happen, thats not good aggressive defense. Thats a mugging. How can you not think there isn't a little something to this when you guys and Wisconsin, the two best defensive big ten teams every year, never do as well as you should once the tournament starts? I mean you guys had a great team for three straight years and never really sniffed a final four.

 

Robbie Hummel blew out his knee two years in a row. The 'Baby Boiler's only played in two NCAA Tournaments together, as Freshmen (second round) and Sophomores (Sweet 16). Their third year they won the B1G and were ranked #3 in the nation when Hummel blew his knee out with three games left in the regular season.

 

If we had Moore, Johnson, and Hummel all healthy as Juniors/Seniors in the tournament... Man, that's a really depressing thing to think about.

[illiniguy]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

Because the big ten is ok with a physical style of play that doesn't fly outside of the conference. A one point last night with about 10 to go Tyler griffey drove, pump faked, got DJ Byrd to jump and land on him. No call was made so we reset the offense. In no way can that happen, thats not good aggressive defense. Thats a mugging. How can you not think there isn't a little something to this when you guys and Wisconsin, the two best defensive big ten teams every year, never do as well as you should once the tournament starts? I mean you guys had a great team for three straight years and never really sniffed a final four.

 

Robbie Hummel blew out his knee two years in a row. The 'Baby Boiler's only played in two NCAA Tournaments together, as Freshmen (second round) and Sophomores (Sweet 16). Their third year they won the B1G and were ranked #3 in the nation when Hummel blew his knee out with three games left in the regular season.

 

If we had Moore, Johnson, and Hummel all healthy as Juniors/Seniors in the tournament... Man, that's a really depressing thing to think about.

You still had more than enough talent left to make a deep run, it sucks he got hurt but that's clearly not the only issue that purdue has had in the tournament.

[scarey]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

Because the big ten is ok with a physical style of play that doesn't fly outside of the conference. A one point last night with about 10 to go Tyler griffey drove, pump faked, got DJ Byrd to jump and land on him. No call was made so we reset the offense. In no way can that happen, thats not good aggressive defense. Thats a mugging. How can you not think there isn't a little something to this when you guys and Wisconsin, the two best defensive big ten teams every year, never do as well as you should once the tournament starts? I mean you guys had a great team for three straight years and never really sniffed a final four.

 

Robbie Hummel blew out his knee two years in a row. The 'Baby Boiler's only played in two NCAA Tournaments together, as Freshmen (second round) and Sophomores (Sweet 16). Their third year they won the B1G and were ranked #3 in the nation when Hummel blew his knee out with three games left in the regular season.

 

If we had Moore, Johnson, and Hummel all healthy as Juniors/Seniors in the tournament... Man, that's a really depressing thing to think about.

You still had more than enough talent left to make a deep run, it sucks he got hurt but that's clearly not the only issue that purdue has had in the tournament.

 

Hummel did so much for those teams though. Sure, Moore and Johnson had talent for miles, but it was a totally different team without Hummel. Do you realize that in 2010 in the Sweet 16 6'3 Chris Kramer was guarding 6'8 Kyle Singler? After Hummel went down that year, there was a huge size mismatch after Hummel went down, there was just no way of over coming that. 2011 had Byrd filling in for Hummel and we all know that Byrd is a fraction of the talent that Hummel was.

 

I digress, you are telling me why Purdue gets beat in the tournament. I also wanted to know why Purdue doesn't get whistled for fouls, but Illinois gets called for touch fouls. Why is that?

[illiniguy]

Every time Purdue and Illinois play, I find comments on this forum about how Purdue gets away with fouls, but Illinois gets blown for touch fouls constantly. Do you have a reasonable explanation for why the refs do that and why they don't continue to do that in the tournament as as been proposed?

Because the big ten is ok with a physical style of play that doesn't fly outside of the conference. A one point last night with about 10 to go Tyler griffey drove, pump faked, got DJ Byrd to jump and land on him. No call was made so we reset the offense. In no way can that happen, thats not good aggressive defense. Thats a mugging. How can you not think there isn't a little something to this when you guys and Wisconsin, the two best defensive big ten teams every year, never do as well as you should once the tournament starts? I mean you guys had a great team for three straight years and never really sniffed a final four.

 

Robbie Hummel blew out his knee two years in a row. The 'Baby Boiler's only played in two NCAA Tournaments together, as Freshmen (second round) and Sophomores (Sweet 16). Their third year they won the B1G and were ranked #3 in the nation when Hummel blew his knee out with three games left in the regular season.

 

If we had Moore, Johnson, and Hummel all healthy as Juniors/Seniors in the tournament... Man, that's a really depressing thing to think about.

You still had more than enough talent left to make a deep run, it sucks he got hurt but that's clearly not the only issue that purdue has had in the tournament.

 

Hummel did so much for those teams though. Sure, Moore and Johnson had talent for miles, but it was a totally different team without Hummel. Do you realize that in 2010 in the Sweet 16 6'3 Chris Kramer was guarding 6'8 Kyle Singler? After Hummel went down that year, there was a huge size mismatch after Hummel went down, there was just no way of over coming that. 2011 had Byrd filling in for Hummel and we all know that Byrd is a fraction of the talent that Hummel was.

 

I digress, you are telling me why Purdue gets beat in the tournament. I also wanted to know why Purdue doesn't get whistled for fouls, but Illinois gets called for touch fouls. Why is that?

That is the away factor, I can live with that. If and it's a big if, you don't let purdue play football at home. Last night the second half was crazy. Your guys grabbed and held. That's not good defense, it's fouling. Other conferences call that crap regardless of venue, that's why their scores aren't laughable.

[UMFan83]

Constable, want to give me a scouting report on NW so far this year? I am going to the game tonight...seems like they are a step down from last year, but I've learned to never feel comfortable with a road game in the B1G.

[scarey]

That is the away factor, I can live with that. If and it's a big if, you don't let purdue play football at home. Last night the second half was crazy. Your guys grabbed and held. That's not good defense, it's fouling. Other conferences call that crap regardless of venue, that's why their scores aren't laughable.

 

I've seen these complaints for games in Champaign though...

[bukie]

Illinois' problem is that they are near historically bad on the defensive glass this year. The combination of that with an off shooting night is impossible to overcome.

[Smack]

You still had more than enough talent left to make a deep run, it sucks he got hurt but that's clearly not the only issue that purdue has had in the tournament.

 

The first injury was too late in the season, they just couldn't adjust to the different roles (see Scarey's post). Plus they dropped from a sure #1 seed to a #4 seed in a week period and lost to eventual Champion Duke who they had to play in the Sweet 16.

 

In 2011 they ran into VCU who was one of the hottest NCAA tournament teams EVER (beat Purdue, Georgetown, Kansas, Florida St., and USC - every major BB conference?). Had Hummel been around that year they wouldn't have been a #3 seed and wouldn't have hit VCU, at least not so early.