Non-Tender Day

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm more than fine acquiring jerks who are really good. But the jerkier they are, the better they have to be. And if they are going to be like this guy, they have to be locks for big time production. He'll be 34 next season, coming off a bad season and injury. Plus, when he was productive in his early 30 seasons he was only doing so in 500 PA seasons with half his time at DH.

[CubsWin]

Racist or not, Scott hits lefties to the tune of .268/.357/.501/.858 and Soriano righties at .286/.349/.533/.883 and so between them both, you see they licked the platter clean.

I love posts that begin "Racist or not..."

[weis21]

Hmmm, I wasn't privy to Scott's blantant and appalling racism. Yeah, scratch him off the list.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hmmm, I wasn't privy to Scott's blantant and appalling racism. Yeah, scratch him off the list.

 

If nothing else, he can help us bring in the redneck market that the White Sox, Cardinals, and Brewers have cornered for so many years.

[Post Count Padder]

Scott's numbers would be nice but I've have a hard time looking past his personality. I wouldn't mind Saunders at the right price. Then again, is he a fly-ball pitcher? That might not work out so well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Andrew Miller gets non-tendered, he fits the Epstein profile.

 

He re-upped for 1 year with Boston last week.

 

Similarly, what ever happened with Andrew Brackman?

 

To answer my question MLBTR says he's close to signing a major league deal with the Reds.

 

Reds To Sign Andrew Brackman

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 13 at 11:07am CST]

The Reds have agreed to sign former first round pick Andrew Brackman to a Major League deal, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (Twitter link). The 26-year-old Cincinnati native will earn the MLB minimum plus incentives.

 

[Backtobanks]

Yeah, count me against signing players I would enjoy punching in the face repeatedly.

 

Theo just cancelled the Jeff Stevens for Bryce Harper trade out of respect for your opinion. :lol:

[Mark Priors Calves]

Jaydee supports the signing of Luke Scott.

[TruffleShuffle]

Racist or not, Scott hits lefties to the tune of .268/.357/.501/.858 and Soriano righties at .286/.349/.533/.883 and so between them both, you see they licked the platter clean.

I love posts that begin "Racist or not..."

 

you had that backwards, scott hits righties well and soriano does well against lhp.

 

the way that works out, since most pitchers are righthanded, is soriano ends up playing like 1/4 of the time. i have a hard time seeing the cubs giving soriano 200 at bats for $18m a year.

[bukie]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

 

Pretty much. In fact, he's probably more valuable being played that way even if he get a fraction of the ABs of his lefty counterpart than if we just released him or traded him for 5% salary relief and some 27 year old AA piece of junk. If we did get Scott for say 5 mil, and the platoon worked as planned we'd be getting nice but overpriced production for around 24 mil/year rather than the ridiculously overpriced production we'd get from Soriano for 19 mil, and again, if it worked so what if the guy getting more ABs is making around 1/4 the money of the other guy. Besides, if we could learn to love Jim Edmonds we can learn to love an insane racist sociopath.

[TruffleShuffle]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

 

i'm not really saying what they should do, more what i think they will do. teams generally don't relegate high-paid star players to part time duty until their production has reached poor levels, and soriano isn't quite there yet.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

 

i'm not really saying what they should do, more what i think they will do. teams generally don't relegate high-paid star players to part time duty until their production has reached poor levels, and soriano isn't quite there yet.

 

But if that high paid player is on a clear decline and can only really mash lefties, and the opportunity comes along to possible acquire the right left handed partner for him for cheap, that recipe doesn't come along much either. It's not like they'd be going out and signing another 19 mil guy for the platoon. The main point is that paying an extra 5 mil in left field if we could get Scott for that is a smarter decision both production and money wise that eating 95% of what Sorianos owed and replace him with either a lesser player or another expensive player.

[Guest]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

 

i'm not really saying what they should do, more what i think they will do. teams generally don't relegate high-paid star players to part time duty until their production has reached poor levels, and soriano isn't quite there yet.

 

But if that high paid player is on a clear decline and can only really mash lefties, and the opportunity comes along to possible acquire the right left handed partner for him for cheap, that recipe doesn't come along much either. It's not like they'd be going out and signing another 19 mil guy for the platoon. The main point is that paying an extra 5 mil in left field if we could get Scott for that is a smarter decision both production and money wise that eating 95% of what Sorianos owed and replace him with either a lesser player or another expensive player.

 

I seriously don't believe any major league team would platoon a 19m player. It's still the good ole boy network regardless of who is in charge. I bet they either find a team to trade him to or he is your everyday left fielder in 2012 with maybe a little more rest each week than he has seen in previous years. Soriano would become a side show attraction if he was sitting everyday in a platoon that limited his bats to about 1/3. It's not what he was agreeing to when he signed his contract.

 

It would be better for the team, most likely, but I seriously doubt it happens.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano's contract is a sunk cost, so whether he's getting 200 AB or 600 AB is irrelevant. Maximizing his value is what's relevant.

 

i'm not really saying what they should do, more what i think they will do. teams generally don't relegate high-paid star players to part time duty until their production has reached poor levels, and soriano isn't quite there yet.

 

If Soriano isn't there, he's on the door step. Jason Veritek wasn't much worse for much longer before Boston relegated him to part-time duty. Posada has been basically a platoon guy/utility player for a couple years now making $13m. It is relatively rare largely because it's rare to have a replacement level guy with 4 years remaining on a huge deal. Eventually he will have to at least be platooned, there's very little chance of him starting everyday the rest of his contract or simply disappearing.

[mul21]

 

I seriously don't believe any major league team would platoon a 19m player. It's still the good ole boy network regardless of who is in charge. I bet they either find a team to trade him to or he is your everyday left fielder in 2012 with maybe a little more rest each week than he has seen in previous years. Soriano would become a side show attraction if he was sitting everyday in a platoon that limited his bats to about 1/3. It's not what he was agreeing to when he signed his contract.

 

It would be better for the team, most likely, but I seriously doubt it happens.

 

Generally, I completely agree with you. One small point though, the Cubs had the expectation of Soriano not sucking when they were paying $19M a year. So, if he's not living up to his end, I see no reason the Cubs would have to live up to theirs in terms of playing him every single day when he's bad.

[jersey cubs fan]

ugh, there's a headline on the tribune about the Cubs having interest in Varitek and Wakefield. Wakefield might now suck (but he probably does), however, Varitek is pretty much the epitome of replacement level play getting paid millions as a favor for his loyalty/championship aura. He's worthless to the Cubs.

[CyHawk_Cub]

ugh, there's a headline on the tribune about the Cubs having interest in Varitek and Wakefield. Wakefield might now suck (but he probably does), however, Varitek is pretty much the epitome of replacement level play getting paid millions as a favor for his loyalty/championship aura. He's worthless to the Cubs.

 

It's possible many here will wind up preferring the stank of Koyie Hill...at least he'd be cheaper, presumably

[Little Slide Rooter]

Now that I am somewhat intrigued by Daric Barton, has there been any hint of indication that Hoyer or Epstein have the slightest but of interest in him? I'm assuming that the A's would move him considering he's 3rd on their 1B depth chart and they have Kila and Carter. I doubt he'd cost too much if nothing else for the fact that Beane knows that he won't be able to fleece Epstein and Hoyer.