Trading Soriano

[rawaction]

Well, there's the LaHair/Rizzo situation to take care of. I guess you can do that by moving DeJesus to CF, but that goes against the defensive focus the team has had. Soriano / DeJesus / LaHair could be an horrendously bad OF.

 

If you are going to lose 90+ games I'm not sure trying to win an extra 2 games with defensive efficiency really matters when it comes to maximizing return on your tradeable assets.

Defensive efficiency also helps raise he value of your pitchers significantly, as well as reducing wear and tear on the ones you want to keep.

 

But it's all marginal. A lot more marginal than offense.

[Cubswin11]

Maybe this has been covered all ready, but does Soriano have a full or partial NTC? Or is he covered by 5/10 rights?

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe this has been covered all ready, but does Soriano have a full or partial NTC? Or is he covered by 5/10 rights?

 

He was given a full no-trade clause but is now covered by 10/5 rights anyway.

[TruffleShuffle]

Defensive efficiency also helps raise he value of your pitchers significantly

 

so let's put a little league defense out there, watch garza's numbers go in the toilet and then sign him for cheap!

[Exile on Waveland]

All it takes is for Soriano to . . . hurt his knee more to make him untradable and then the Cubs will be stuck with the rest of his contract.

 

Uh . . . no crap.

The way that's quoted, makes it look like I said that. Just want to reiterate, it was NOT me.

 

Apologies.

[Exile on Waveland]

All it takes is for Soriano to . . . hurt his knee more to make him untradable and then the Cubs will be stuck with the rest of his contract.

 

Uh . . . no crap.

 

Really, just like Soriano was untradable before he got in his hot streak. The long baseball season normalizes most players' performance. Just look at Garza and Dempster coming back to "normal".

 

Sure. But there's no point in posting that an injury will make Soriano untradable. So would his death.

[Exile on Waveland]

I go back and forth about Soriano. On one hand, it is a bit silly to give away the value that he provides, especially if he keeps hitting anywhere near how he's hit recently. This team isn't currently overrun with outfielders, so it's not like he's a huge impediment to someone else on the roster.

 

Well that will, hopefully, change when the Cubs sign B.J. Upton. Especially if Brett Jackson comes good (I'm a bit dubious). And especially if Lahair is for real and can somewhat passably play the outfield (I'm even more dubious).

[Guest]

All it takes is for Soriano to . . . hurt his knee more to make him untradable and then the Cubs will be stuck with the rest of his contract.

 

Uh . . . no crap.

 

Really, just like Soriano was untradable before he got in his hot streak. The long baseball season normalizes most players' performance. Just look at Garza and Dempster coming back to "normal".

 

Sure. But there's no point in posting that an injury will make Soriano untradable. So would his death.

Best case scenario. Gets us out of the contract entirely. ;)

[Little Slide Rooter]

Pirates Looking To Deal For Offense

By Zach Links [June 21 at 8:13pm CST]

The 35-32 Pirates have the third-best ERA in the National League but are dead last in runs scored. Unsurprisingly, manager Clint Hurdle says that the club will be on the lookout for offense as the deadline approaches, write MLB.com's Tom Singer and Mark Emery.

 

"We'd like to first look for ways to impact the offense," said Hurdle. "We do feel like we're in a competitive position on the mound. We do have a couple of areas where we've got some surplus, some depth that might be attractive to somebody else."

 

Hmm, aside from Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates get minimal offensive production from their outfield. If the Cubs are willing to eat the bulk of the salary, the Pirates could be a very good fit for Soriano, although Quentin might be a better one. I'm pretty sure that the Pirates have a pretty deep farm system, so this might be our best bet at a solid return.

[KingCubsFan]

Pirates Looking To Deal For Offense

By Zach Links [June 21 at 8:13pm CST]

The 35-32 Pirates have the third-best ERA in the National League but are dead last in runs scored. Unsurprisingly, manager Clint Hurdle says that the club will be on the lookout for offense as the deadline approaches, write MLB.com's Tom Singer and Mark Emery.

 

"We'd like to first look for ways to impact the offense," said Hurdle. "We do feel like we're in a competitive position on the mound. We do have a couple of areas where we've got some surplus, some depth that might be attractive to somebody else."

 

Hmm, aside from Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates get minimal offensive production from their outfield. If the Cubs are willing to eat the bulk of the salary, the Pirates could be a very good fit for Soriano, although Quentin might be a better one. I'm pretty sure that the Pirates have a pretty deep farm system, so this might be our best bet at a solid return.

What exactly is your idea of a "solid return?"

[Bote McBoteface]

I saw an article where Toronto said they wouldn't be adding any payroll. Could we make it easy on them and pay the whole salary if they kick in one of their low A guys that are supposed to e good prospects? Would that be too much for Soriano even with us paying the full bill?

 

....Would Soriano's knees and Toronto's POS astroturf stadium scare Toronto away?

 

Or was that just a nice way of Toronto saying that they're not going to make any moves?

[PrimeTime]

Doubt Soriano would approve a trade to the Pirates with his no trade clause. Seems he would only waive it if he goes to a team like the Yankees or someone with a good chance to get to the World Series.

[davell]

In Toronto's case, they're loaded with prospects. If they're strapped a bit monetarily, they can send a little better prospect over to make the team cough up more cash obviously, and it not even hurt them. But, my guess is they're in "wait and see" mode. They're very injured from a pitching standpoint and while they're still kind of "in it", they could easily stand pat and make big moves over the offseason. They're young and don't have to rush things. I think they'll add in a stopgap or two personally, to try and piece something together. But, unless they really get on a roll, I don't see them making even a Dempster type move.

 

As for Soriano? A decent return for me involving him would be a top 20ish type prospect from an average system, and maybe another top 30ish guy or bullpen arm with control years. Maybe something like Reggie Golden(if he was healthy) and Kevin Rhoderick from our system. Talent-wise, if we can accomplish something like that and save even a couple mill per year, we've done a good job, in my mind.

[pccubfan]

In Toronto's case, they're loaded with prospects. If they're strapped a bit monetarily, they can send a little better prospect over to make the team cough up more cash obviously, and it not even hurt them. But, my guess is they're in "wait and see" mode. They're very injured from a pitching standpoint and while they're still kind of "in it", they could easily stand pat and make big moves over the offseason. They're young and don't have to rush things. I think they'll add in a stopgap or two personally, to try and piece something together. But, unless they really get on a roll, I don't see them making even a Dempster type move.

 

As for Soriano? A decent return for me involving him would be a top 20ish type prospect from an average system, and maybe another top 30ish guy or bullpen arm with control years. Maybe something like Reggie Golden(if he was healthy) and Kevin Rhoderick from our system. Talent-wise, if we can accomplish something like that and save even a couple mill per year, we've done a good job, in my mind.

 

I really can't dispute the return you suggest, but what's the point of trading him if that's what you're getting back. Might as well just keep him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Pirates Looking To Deal For Offense

By Zach Links [June 21 at 8:13pm CST]

The 35-32 Pirates have the third-best ERA in the National League but are dead last in runs scored. Unsurprisingly, manager Clint Hurdle says that the club will be on the lookout for offense as the deadline approaches, write MLB.com's Tom Singer and Mark Emery.

 

"We'd like to first look for ways to impact the offense," said Hurdle. "We do feel like we're in a competitive position on the mound. We do have a couple of areas where we've got some surplus, some depth that might be attractive to somebody else."

 

Hmm, aside from Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates get minimal offensive production from their outfield. If the Cubs are willing to eat the bulk of the salary, the Pirates could be a very good fit for Soriano, although Quentin might be a better one. I'm pretty sure that the Pirates have a pretty deep farm system, so this might be our best bet at a solid return.

What exactly is your idea of a "solid return?"

 

As always, I go back to the DeRosa return. DeRosa may have been a more valuable player at the time, but he was a 1 year rental and a salary dump. With Soriano, we should be taking on as much salary as we can to get that type of return. And we'll happily throw in their pick of Johnson, Camp, Mather, and Baker if helps.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doubt Soriano would approve a trade to the Pirates with his no trade clause. Seems he would only waive it if he goes to a team like the Yankees or someone with a good chance to get to the World Series.

 

To be honest, I think that he might be at the point where he's sick and tired of getting pissed on by everyone from the media to the announcers every opportunity they get and wants out and just isn't the type of guy to make a public issue out of it. Say what you will about him, but he's taken a lot of crap over the past few years and hasn't fired back, not publically anyway.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pirates Looking To Deal For Offense

By Zach Links [June 21 at 8:13pm CST]

The 35-32 Pirates have the third-best ERA in the National League but are dead last in runs scored. Unsurprisingly, manager Clint Hurdle says that the club will be on the lookout for offense as the deadline approaches, write MLB.com's Tom Singer and Mark Emery.

 

"We'd like to first look for ways to impact the offense," said Hurdle. "We do feel like we're in a competitive position on the mound. We do have a couple of areas where we've got some surplus, some depth that might be attractive to somebody else."

 

Hmm, aside from Andrew McCutchen, the Pirates get minimal offensive production from their outfield. If the Cubs are willing to eat the bulk of the salary, the Pirates could be a very good fit for Soriano, although Quentin might be a better one. I'm pretty sure that the Pirates have a pretty deep farm system, so this might be our best bet at a solid return.

What exactly is your idea of a "solid return?"

 

As always, I go back to the DeRosa return. DeRosa may have been a more valuable player at the time, but he was a 1 year rental and a salary dump. With Soriano, we should be taking on as much salary as we can to get that type of return. And we'll happily throw in their pick of Johnson, Camp, Mather, and Baker if helps.

 

"Hey, do you want some garbage? How about with a side of garbage? With a garbage on top?"

[TruffleShuffle]

ah yes the ever-popular "overwhelm them with mediocrity" trade proposal.

[pitchcs]

ah yes the ever-popular "overwhelm them with mediocrity" trade proposal.

 

 

When I was like 15 and played fantasy baseball I traded Barry Bonds for some sort of Jeremy Giambi/Jeff Kent/Jason Isringhausen combo.

 

Yes, Jeremy. Not Jason. Good move.

[Little Slide Rooter]

They're not going to trade him for complete trash. One of the strengths of a strong FO is talent evaluation, so I suspect that if any teams are interested, they'll carefully evaluate their lower levels for guys that they feel could be useful down the road and/or higher level reclamation types.

 

Soriono's going to be 37 this time next year, his legs don't work as well as they used to. Even if he finishes the season at his current pace, he's a lot more likely to regress next season. I'd much rather get a fist full of lottery tickets now than watch him have a rebound now when it doesn't really matter and then cut him next spring or fall when they decide to waive him in favor of the LF version of Ian Stewart.

[Sammy Sofa]

But they could have him AND Reed Johnson!

[davell]

ah yes the ever-popular "overwhelm them with mediocrity" trade proposal.

 

 

When I was like 15 and played fantasy baseball I traded Barry Bonds for some sort of Jeremy Giambi/Jeff Kent/Jason Isringhausen combo.

 

Yes, Jeremy. Not Jason. Good move.

My freshman year of college, I got Emmitt Smith for 4 soft tacos. Trade was allowed, as I was the commish.

[CincyCubsFan]

"I've gotta be honest, Jed, we were on the fence about Soriano, but when you sweetened the pot with Jeff Baker, we couldn't walk away."

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Nothing seals a trade like throwing in veterans that not even a 24-46 team thinks are any good.

[davell]

I could see us packaging Russell with Soriano. Maybe even a decent minor leaguer from a position of depth, to get us something we may actually be able to use.