2012 College Football Offseason Thread

[Old Style]

Not harsh enough IMO.

 

The Big 10 could still punish them and put in a tv ban. That's really all I thought was missing. Or having to play home games in an empty stadium.

Apparently they are announcing their own penalties in about an hour.

[shnsajax]

Not harsh enough IMO.

 

The Big 10 could still punish them and put in a tv ban. That's really all I thought was missing. Or having to play home games in an empty stadium.

Apparently they are announcing their own penalties in about an hour.

 

Not much from them. Banned from playing the big 10 championship game and won't get a share of bowl revenue.

[rawaction]

I feel like it either should have been the death penalty or just a multitude of fines. I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

I understand that the current program will always suffer for past issues, but this is not cheating or breaking NCAA rules. This is freaking scumbaggery on the highest level. They should have gotten rid of the program completely, as the football program was used to lure these kids and the status of the football program was the reason for the cover-up. So, if you don't have the balls to get rid of the program completely, make them basically play football for 5 years for free. Make them donate all money to victims of rape, child abuse, etc.

[TruffleShuffle]

I feel like it either should have been the death penalty or just a multitude of fines. I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

the freshmen who stay for all four years of their eligibility are either fools or are bad players who just want to play football at a bcs school. they have ample opportunity to leave immediately and play somewhere else.

 

So, if you don't have the balls to get rid of the program completely, make them basically play football for 5 years for free. Make them donate all money to victims of rape, child abuse, etc.

 

since psu funds their non-profitable sports (in other words, pretty much all other sports) with football money, the ncaa required that they continue to do so. it's not going to work in the long run as the football team is going to be bad for a long time and all the other sports will take a hit financially, but in theory it doesn't make sense to punish women's gymnastics for the misdeeds of some football hierarchy, and at least the NCAA recognized this. (despite failing to recognize that other sports will be punished in the end)

[rawaction]

I agree on the freshmen, but still they basically have 2 weeks to decide where they want to go and try to get playing time there. The JRs and SRs are also being punished and have obviously more invested in the university, and without the chance to still get years of eligibility somewhere else.

 

Ultimately, I know there's no way to do anything without affecting the current kids at Penn State (Football, other sports, or non-athletic students period), but it still sucks that thousands of kids are going to be greatly affected by stuff that happened before they were students and clearly had no part of.

[TruffleShuffle]

I agree on the freshmen, but still they basically have 2 weeks to decide where they want to go and try to get playing time there.

 

most freshmen aren't going to play much no matter where they are (unless they're at penn state now, apparently). i would hope that a PSU freshman isn't deciding where to transfer based on which team might be soft at cornerback or left guard but rather what would be a good fit football-wise (and of course academically, lol) in the long run.

[Banedon]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

[rawaction]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

 

Still, there was a reason they chose PSU over other schools in the first place, and a reason they didn't transfer already when all this was already going on.

[Old Style]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

 

Still, there was a reason they chose PSU over other schools in the first place, and a reason they didn't transfer already when all this was already going on.

Because they weren't able to do so without penalty?

[TruffleShuffle]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

 

Still, there was a reason they chose PSU over other schools in the first place, and a reason they didn't transfer already when all this was already going on.

 

well, the reason they didn't transfer when this was going on was that they didn't have a waiver and would have to sit out a year. everyone knew the school's reputation was in shambles, but nobody knew if the ncaa would step in since no ncaa by-laws were violated and the ncaa has never levied a punishment for situations like this. after the freeh report and the comments by emmert last week, i would think that any player who didn't have his head lodged up his ass would start to consider other options, given the possibility of significant ncaa sanctions.

[rawaction]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

 

Still, there was a reason they chose PSU over other schools in the first place, and a reason they didn't transfer already when all this was already going on.

 

well, the reason they didn't transfer when this was going on was that they didn't have a waiver and would have to sit out a year. everyone knew the school's reputation was in shambles, but nobody knew if the ncaa would step in since no ncaa by-laws were violated and the ncaa has never levied a punishment for situations like this. after the freeh report and the comments by emmert last week, i would think that any player who didn't have his head lodged up his ass would start to consider other options, given the possibility of significant ncaa sanctions.

 

Oh, I figured a waiver would/could be granted after the fact. My bad.

[Andy]

And if I'm a PSU football player, I've been thinking about transferring for a long time. It's not like this is a decision they didn't think of at all prior to today.

 

Still, there was a reason they chose PSU over other schools in the first place, and a reason they didn't transfer already when all this was already going on.

 

well, the reason they didn't transfer when this was going on was that they didn't have a waiver and would have to sit out a year. everyone knew the school's reputation was in shambles, but nobody knew if the ncaa would step in since no ncaa by-laws were violated and the ncaa has never levied a punishment for situations like this. after the freeh report and the comments by emmert last week, i would think that any player who didn't have his head lodged up his ass would start to consider other options, given the possibility of significant ncaa sanctions.

 

Oh, I figured a waiver would/could be granted after the fact. My bad.

It probably could, but until the last week or two I don't think NCAA punishment was a guarantee.

[Banedon]

Oh, I figured a waiver would/could be granted after the fact. My bad.

 

Possibly, but that would've been a gamble for anyone transferring.

[SpongeWorthy]

Penn State will be in a position to hire some hot shot, glory hunting assistant/top non-BCS head coach to resurrect the brand. It'll be a good job. There's a lot of stink on it but you know the donors will circle the wagons and serious money will be on the table. Plus anyone who takes the job will have a really long leash to restock the cupboard.

 

They'll be terrible for years but they can come back from this.

[TruffleShuffle]

apparently silas redd is considering a transfer to USC - or at least they're looking to recruit him to transfer. he should definitely go - if not to USC then somewhere else. he has the talent to play on sundays and shouldn't stick around on a sinking ship.

[scarey]

I feel like it either should have been the death penalty or just a multitude of fines. I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

I understand that the current program will always suffer for past issues, but this is not cheating or breaking NCAA rules. This is freaking scumbaggery on the highest level. They should have gotten rid of the program completely, as the football program was used to lure these kids and the status of the football program was the reason for the cover-up. So, if you don't have the balls to get rid of the program completely, make them basically play football for 5 years for free. Make them donate all money to victims of rape, child abuse, etc.

 

You know, it's not exactly fair to them, but I really don't care that they're collateral damage in this whole thing. If the worst thing that happens to them in their lives is they don't get the opportunity to play in a bowl game, then I don't feel too bad for them.

 

The NCAA is pretty hypocritical in that it has not and will continue not issuing punishment in most criminal circumstances. However, there needs to be a very clear message sent that if there's anything going on that carries weight equal to child molestation, then it needs to be dealt with pronto. If a few kids don't get to play a bowl game as a result, so be it.

[TruffleShuffle]

i feel worse for the businesses in town that will be hurt by the football team going in the toilet for the next decade and the other sports that have been able to compete at a high level because the football program is so profitable. i didn't know any football players but i did know people who competed in some non-revenue sports, and i lived in state college for longer as a "local" than as a student, so i sympathize more with the local yokels and the athletes in non-football programs, who can't bail out without penalty.

[Derwood]

i feel worse for the businesses in town that will be hurt by the football team going in the toilet for the next decade and the other sports that have been able to compete at a high level because the football program is so profitable. i didn't know any football players but i did know people who competed in some non-revenue sports, and i lived in state college for longer as a "local" than as a student, so i sympathize more with the local yokels and the athletes in non-football programs, who can't bail out without penalty.

 

the death penalty would have been worse for the local businesses.

 

In that early 00's stretch when PSU had losing seasons in 4 out of 5 seasons, local business didn't suffer (because they still sold out the stadium every game). I don't think a crappy stretch of football is going to equal a half full stadium. If anything, the PSU zealots are going to come out even stronger in support of the team. Local businesses will be fine

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

Oh the humanity.

 

 

Aren't you an IU guy? Do you pity every single Hoosiers player who never played in a bowl game? Bowl game appearances are not a birthright.

[rawaction]

I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

Oh the humanity.

 

 

Aren't you an IU guy? Do you pity every single Hoosiers player who never played in a bowl game? Bowl game appearances are not a birthright.

 

Yes, I am an IU guy.

No I don't pity Hoosiers players who have never played in a bowl game because they know the odds are against them going to a bowl when they're only scholarship offers are IU, Bowling Green and Eastern Michigan. Bowl games are not a birthright, but it makes no sense that a group of kids good enough to get to play in a bowl game in Florida, Texas or California are forced to only play games in places like Madison, WI and Bloomington, IN because of something people did starting when the players were 4-6 years old.

 

Again, I know that's how these things work...but that doesn't make it right.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

Oh the humanity.

 

 

Aren't you an IU guy? Do you pity every single Hoosiers player who never played in a bowl game? Bowl game appearances are not a birthright.

 

Yes, I am an IU guy.

No I don't pity Hoosiers players who have never played in a bowl game because they know the odds are against them going to a bowl when they're only scholarship offers are IU, Bowling Green and Eastern Michigan. Bowl games are not a birthright, but it makes no sense that a group of kids good enough to get to play in a bowl game in Florida, Texas or California are forced to only play games in places like Madison, WI and Bloomington, IN because of something people did starting when the players were 4-6 years old.

 

Again, I know that's how these things work...but that doesn't make it right.

 

That is absurdly stupid. Bowl games are rewards for successful seasons. You are not guaranteed bowl games. Penn State missed a bowl game in four of five seasons last decade all by themselves. The kids can leave if they want. Nothing is being taken from them. The football program had to be punished and there is no way to punish the football program without something like no bowl game appearances.

[rawaction]

I don't understand punishing these current kids for something that happened almost 15 years ago. Granted they can all transfer with no penalty, but practices are starting in a couple weeks and the kids that stay, freshmen in particular will never get to play in a bowl game.

 

Oh the humanity.

 

 

Aren't you an IU guy? Do you pity every single Hoosiers player who never played in a bowl game? Bowl game appearances are not a birthright.

 

Yes, I am an IU guy.

No I don't pity Hoosiers players who have never played in a bowl game because they know the odds are against them going to a bowl when they're only scholarship offers are IU, Bowling Green and Eastern Michigan. Bowl games are not a birthright, but it makes no sense that a group of kids good enough to get to play in a bowl game in Florida, Texas or California are forced to only play games in places like Madison, WI and Bloomington, IN because of something people did starting when the players were 4-6 years old.

 

Again, I know that's how these things work...but that doesn't make it right.

 

That is absurdly stupid. Bowl games are rewards for successful seasons. You are not guaranteed bowl games. Penn State missed a bowl game in four of five seasons last decade all by themselves. The kids can leave if they want. Nothing is being taken from them. The football program had to be punished and there is no way to punish the football program without something like no bowl game appearances.

 

Really? I've [expletive] said your last sentence several times in this thread. And when did I say bowl game were guaranteed? They are definitely more likely at Penn St. than at IU, which is why good football players go to Penn St. over IU. And it's complete BS that nothing is being taken from these kids. Their first choice of where to go to school is being taken away. If they stay at PSU, their chance of having success is being taken away.

 

Again, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS, CURRENT PLAYERS HAVE ALWAYS GOTTEN PUNISHED FOR PAST DISCREPANCIES AND THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THIS (figured I should bold it since you apparently can't read it when I type it normal), but I still think it is unfair to people who had nothing to do with the situation.

[TruffleShuffle]

They are definitely more likely at Penn St. than at IU, which is why good football players go to Penn St. over IU.

 

hey not any more. IU needs to schedule four non-con cupcakes, plus PSU should become an easy win. one more win and it's pizza bowl here we come!

[Butterscup1679666578]

buffalo wild wings bowl

[Derwood]

So far, no current players have decided to transfer. No word on any recruits.