Kaplan: Royals interested in Z

[SouthSideRyan]

He has a picture of Michael Jordan on his twitter!! HE'S MR. BLACK PEOPLE!!

[Hollandsworths mug]

Todd Hundley.

 

This is asinine. The fact that he thought Todd Hundley was a jerk does not disprove anything.

 

No, he thought he was a worthless teammate and a bad player. Which, in fact, he was. Nothing to do with race with Hundley.

[Sammy Sofa]

He covers the Latino stereotype spectrum by calling Z both lazy and hot tempered and fiery.

[Sammy Sofa]

Todd Hundley.

 

This is asinine. The fact that he thought Todd Hundley was a jerk does not disprove anything.

 

No, he thought he was a worthless teammate and a bad player. Which, in fact, he was. Nothing to do with race with Hundley.

 

Now you're getting it.

[VVMattVV]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

 

Are we talking about A-Ram here? Have I called Z lazy?

[davearm2]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

 

Are we talking about A-Ram here? Has he called Z lazy?

 

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-chicago-sports/carlos-zambrano/

 

 

Look, I am not a Zambrano fan because he is lazy and he doesn't get the most out of his abilities. However, I agree that he is a tremendously talented guy who should be a staff ace if he could ever learn to control his emotions and would report to spring training in shape and would work hard enough during the season to stay that way.

 

And because of this he is a racist? Wow!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

[davearm2]

He covers the Latino stereotype spectrum by calling Z both lazy and hot tempered and fiery.

LOL Zambrano IS hot tempered and fiery. You going to dispute that???

 

Pointing that fact out isn't automatically racist.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

Nope. Using it seemingly as a default criticism, however, is rather telling.

[Bull]

He covers the Latino stereotype spectrum by calling Z both lazy and hot tempered and fiery.

 

not to defend Kaplan, but just to be clear...you don't think Z is hot tempered and you don't think he reported out of shape?

[davearm2]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

How many is "enough". I know we've got Z and Ramirez so far.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He covers the Latino stereotype spectrum by calling Z both lazy and hot tempered and fiery.

 

not to defend Kaplan, but just to be clear...you don't think Z is hot tempered and you don't think he reported out of shape?

 

I think both of those are true. I think those are true of a lot of players, but the ones being pointed out share one characteristic.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

Right, it's just that all Hispanics are lazy.

Edited November 10, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[bcl412]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

The thought process behind a player being considered lazy in any sports is usually being drawn from another source beside actually seeing the players work ethic. These people who claim players are lazy usually are not around these people enough to know so it's coming from another source.

 

Racial stereotype could easily be one of the things that is being drawn upon to come up with this conclusion.

[Sammy Sofa]

He covers the Latino stereotype spectrum by calling Z both lazy and hot tempered and fiery.

LOL Zambrano IS hot tempered and fiery. You going to dispute that???

 

Pointing that fact out isn't automatically racist.

 

No, but compounded with the rest of his track record it is. Kaplan likely automatically views Z's personality as the result of his genetic heritage as opposed to his individual personality. Y'know, the "oh, of course HE'S like that"-sort of thing.

[Sammy Sofa]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

How many is "enough". I know we've got Z and Ramirez so far.

 

Soriano. Soto.

[SouthSideRyan]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

How many is "enough". I know we've got Z and Ramirez so far.

 

Soriano. Soto.

 

Cedeno.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

How many is "enough". I know we've got Z and Ramirez so far.

 

Sosa.

[Hollandsworths mug]

So Steve Stone, Bob Brenly, Lou Piniella, Ryan Dempster and countless other baseball managers and executives all must be racist because they call certain latin players out for not hustling or being idiots?

 

Good logic.

 

Bobby V:

 

"Castro needs to get his head in the game" (or something like that when he was looking back at the outfield).

 

What a racist comment. Keep him out of Chicago.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Hollandsworth's mug

[davearm2]

Oh, so it was just players who were not performing? Wow, welcome to fans of any team in any sport.

 

It's not racism how he dislikes players who are bad. It's racism how he inevitably falls on racial stereotypes to describe them.

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

Nope. Using it seemingly as a default criticism, however, is rather telling.

That's clearly how it seems to you.

 

Doesn't mean you're right. Racism might have nothing to do with how he got to his conclusions.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So Steve Stone, Bob Brenly, Lou Piniella, Ryan Dempster and countless other baseball managers and executives all must be racist because they call certain latin players out for not hustling or being idiots?

 

Good logic.

 

I think there's a certain amount of systemic racism in the way players are perceived, yes.

[SouthSideRyan]

So if a Latin player truly is lazy, and I observe this personally, would it be racist for me to describe him as lazy?

 

Hint: there's another explanation besides racism here.

 

If you describe enough Latin players as lazy while you haven't hated a white player since 2002, then it starts to become a pattern.

How many is "enough". I know we've got Z and Ramirez so far.

 

Soriano. Soto.

 

Cedeno.

 

Castro.

[bcl412]

So Steve Stone, Bob Brenly, Lou Piniella, Ryan Dempster and countless other baseball managers and executives all must be racist because they call certain latin players out for not hustling or being idiots?

 

Good logic.

 

I don't believe it's unheard of for white uneducated older men to fall back on racial stereotypes even if unintentional.

[Hollandsworths mug]

So Steve Stone, Bob Brenly, Lou Piniella, Ryan Dempster and countless other baseball managers and executives all must be racist because they call certain latin players out for not hustling or being idiots?

 

Good logic.

 

I think there's a certain amount of systemic racism in the way players are perceived, yes.

 

So now we lump Demp in?