Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Guest]

1. Upton's had one down half season, this isn't some multi-year trend. His IsoD in 2010 and 2011 were .085 and .088, his career IsoD is .083. His IsoD is down this year, but that's not a trend and may very easily not influence his seasons going forward. And just the past two seasons, even with UZR devaluing his defense, he was worth 4+ WAR. And he's been worth between 4-5 WAR for 4 of the past 6 seasons. This isn't some fringy player who's been trending downward for 2-3 seasons. This is a borderline elite player who's had a down half season. It's a red flag that should be looked into, but my interest level in Upton hasn't dropped at all because of it.

 

dew, you keep referring to Upton as a 4-5 win player and I'm wondering why you are putting so much stock in the fangraphs numbers? By B-R, he's been a 4 win player only once (07) and a 3 win player only twice (07 and 08), though he was at 2.8 last year. Since 08, he's been a 0.8, 1.0, 2.8 and 0.4. I'm guessing the difference is in defense, as B-R has him as a below average fielder in six of his eight years and barely above average in the other two.

[dew1679666265]

dew, you keep referring to Upton as a 4-5 win player and I'm wondering why you are putting so much stock in the fangraphs numbers? By B-R, he's been a 4 win player only once (07) and a 3 win player only twice (07 and 08), though he was at 2.8 last year. Since 08, he's been a 0.8, 1.0, 2.8 and 0.4. I'm guessing the difference is in defense, as B-R has him as a below average fielder in six of his eight years and barely above average in the other two.

 

I tend to default to Fangraphs' WAR numbers because the Fangraphs WAR numbers are more predictive, while B-R's simply tell you what the player did that season. UZR is part of the difference, but the way the two sites calculate the WAR numbers are different as well. Since we're trying to take what Upton's done in the past and project it going forward, I think using Fangraphs' WAR is a more accurate portrayal.

 

That said, I should have noted that I was using Fangraphs' WAR, but I didn't even think about it.

[Guest]

Yea. I don't really even look at BR's WAR numbers.

[davell]

Garza was sent home after more stiffness in his arm. DL sting coming. At this point, just get back out there and look decent in September. [expletive].

[El Duderino]

Garza was sent home after more stiffness in his arm. DL sting coming. At this point, just get back out there and look decent in September. [expletive].

 

I smell TJ.

[Theo]

Son of a.....

[El Duderino]

CSNMooney says stiff elbow. Doubt anybody is giving anything of value with that, even if he comes back and pitches well.

[davell]

Sveum said they're being really cautious, but the other MRI came back extra clean, so there probably won't be another one.

[Theo]

They preached a clean MRI a week ago trying to assure teams he was fine. This doesn't sound good, and I think they have held on to him too long and it could back fire.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Clean MRI doesn't mean 100% for sure nothing wrong. They can and do miss stuff.

[XZero771679666304]

IIRC, he tweaked his elbow last year, but it ended up being a "minor" thing. After he came out of his last start, that was the first thing that popped into my mind.

 

That elbow has been my quiet fear and I was hoping he would have been dealt before it went, but it seems that won't happen.

 

If it is the ligament and he needs TJS, I have to imagine Theo/Jed would try and re-sign him to a cheap, 1-2 year "prove I'm healthy/build value" deal for 2014/15.

[Guest]

elbow problems a week before the deadline. so cobs.

[Guest]

CSNMooney says stiff elbow. Doubt anybody is giving anything of value with that, even if he comes back and pitches well.

 

Patrick Mooney also referred to the triceps injury as an elbow injury.

[BCVM22]

DL stint is official, backdated 16 days. Either Coleman or Rusin will start Tues in SD, per Wittenmyer.

[Guest]

CSNMooney says stiff elbow. Doubt anybody is giving anything of value with that, even if he comes back and pitches well.

 

Patrick Mooney also referred to the triceps injury as an elbow injury.

 

well, the triceps muscles meet the elbow

[El Duderino]

DL stint is official, backdated 16 days. Either Coleman or Rusin will start Tues in SD, per Wittenmyer.

 

please jesus let it be rusin.

[Guest]

DL stint is official, backdated 16 days. Either Coleman or Rusin will start Tues in SD, per Wittenmyer.

 

please jesus let it be rusin.

 

we need to secure the #3 pick. coleman all the way.

[El Duderino]

DL stint is official, backdated 16 days. Either Coleman or Rusin will start Tues in SD, per Wittenmyer.

 

please jesus let it be rusin.

 

we need to secure the #3 pick. coleman all the way.

 

i'm not even saying rusin has that much of a chance of pitching better. i just can't stand watching casey coleman pitch

[Gilby]

Coleman pitched today and Rusin yesterday, so I don't see how either are possible.

[davell]

DL stint is official, backdated 16 days. Either Coleman or Rusin will start Tues in SD, per Wittenmyer.

 

please jesus let it be rusin.

 

we need to secure the #3 pick. coleman all the way.

Colorado is still in my sites at 2. I was relatively high on Rusin at one point, but I have serious doubts as to whether he's any more successful than Coleman has been. We've got the open roster spot, so my guess is it's him.

[El Duderino]

Coleman pitched today and Rusin yesterday, so I don't see how either are possible.

 

good point. When did Raley pitch?

[Gilby]

Coleman pitched today and Rusin yesterday, so I don't see how either are possible.

 

good point. When did Raley pitch?

 

Raley lines up the best. He pitched August 2.

[Brian]

Have we given consideration to re-acquiring Koyie Hill and converting him to pitcher? Shouldn't his mangled fingers give him wicked movement?

[Irrelevant Dude]

Jamie Moyer

[Cubswin11]

My votes for Coleman we need a top 3 pick. He all but secures that for us. Also I'm assuming Shark will have a innings limit? What might that be? We are going to need to call someone else up somewhat soon to replace him I'd think.