Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Theo]

Jockitch, from AA.

[El Duderino]

Jockitch, from AA.

 

He pitched today.

[Guest]

At this point, I can't imagine Rusin or Jokisch would pitch any better than Coleman in the big leagues.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't care how broken of a record I may sound like. Raley, Rusin, and Struck are each Rule 5 eligible this winter, so they may as well start getting looks at them. Raley's been the best this season so he should get the first crack. There's no benefit to watching Casey Coleman horrible again. He's had enough chances.

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't care how broken of a record I may sound like.

 

yeah we know.

[El Duderino]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney

 

#Cubs say Garza has stress reaction in right elbow, no timetable for return.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney

 

#Cubs say Garza has stress reaction in right elbow, no timetable for return.

 

Pitching injuries are rarely just what the first diagnosis claims.

[CUBZ99]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney

 

#Cubs say Garza has stress reaction in right elbow, no timetable for return.

 

This should help him pass through waivers unclaimed.

[El Duderino]

Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney

 

#Cubs say Garza has stress reaction in right elbow, no timetable for return.

 

This should help him pass through waivers unclaimed.

 

What good does Garza passing through waivers do anybody?

[davell]

Well, it was officially a bad gamble not trading him over the offseason. Gotta think we're going to be paying him next year to rehab from TJS.

[Clem Fandango]

A stress reaction is not a torn ulnar collateral ligament. If the diagnosis is correct, I imagine it is similar to this injury Anthony Slama had last season (thanks, Google)...

 

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110309&content_id=16881016&notebook_id=16881040&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min

 

SARASOTA, Fla. -- The Twins got good news from the MRI on Anthony Slama's right elbow, as there are no serious problems, but the pitcher does have a stress reaction in one of the bones in his elbow.

 

Slama said that doctors told him it's an unusual injury for pitchers, but that it occurred due to the fact that his elbow hyperextends by 15 degrees more than most pitchers, creating bone-on-bone contact that caused the stress reaction.

 

"So it was just kind of an injury that came from that," Slama said. "There was nothing I really could have done. Now it's a matter of not getting it to flare up again. If that means taking a little bit more time to get it settled down now so that I can have a long season, then that's better."

[Guest]

After the deadline passed, my hope was that he would either pitch out of his mind to regain his trade value, or continue to flounder and make him more likely to take a reasonable extension. This is the more depressing of the two options, but I suppose it's better than seeing Meh Garza for the rest of the year. Come on, 3/27 extension starting in 2014.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well, it was officially a bad gamble not trading him over the offseason. Gotta think we're going to be paying him next year to rehab from TJS.

 

no, one definitely doesn't gotta think that.

[Guest]

Well, it was officially a bad gamble not trading him over the offseason. Gotta think we're going to be paying him next year to rehab from TJS.

 

Come now.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, it was officially a bad gamble not trading him over the offseason. Gotta think we're going to be paying him next year to rehab from TJS.

 

no, one definitely doesn't gotta think that.

 

It was a bad gamble. But the fact that it failed doesn't mean that. Bad gambles can win and good gambles can lose.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well, it was officially a bad gamble not trading him over the offseason. Gotta think we're going to be paying him next year to rehab from TJS.

 

no, one definitely doesn't gotta think that.

 

It was a bad gamble. But the fact that it failed doesn't mean that. Bad gambles can win and good gambles can lose.

 

(a) one doesn't gotta think that garza will be getting paid to rehab from TJS next year. sometimes pitchers have minor injuries and recover from them. roy halladay just missed like two months with a shoulder injury and is pitching again. it's quite a leap from "stress reaction in elbow" to "gotta think TJS is imminent."

 

(b) thanks for the advice confucius.

[davell]

Yeah, admittedly it's the doom and gloom approach. But this is two straight seasons with an elbow issue and he's yet to go under the knife. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would we pay him to rehab from TJS?

[davell]

Worst case scenario. Blows it out in ST next year, after agreeing in arb.

[Guest]

this sucks. i think after the cashner trade, garza was always the guy theo planned to trade for pitching that was close to major league ready. hoyer said they were shutting him down for at least a couple weeks. even if he comes back and pitches well, his trade value has gotta be trashed by now.

 

i agree that this offseason could be a good time to see if we can get a good deal on an extension.

[TruffleShuffle]

Worst case scenario. Blows it out in ST next year, after agreeing in arb.

 

so again, why does one "gotta think" that the worst case scenario - blows out elbow in spring training after presumably undergoing a thorough physical before signing - will be the one that comes through? please phrase your response in a format that does not include "it's the cubs."

[mookie]

Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said Monday that Matt Garza (elbow) will likely remain with the team in 2013.

"He's likely to be a member of the Cubs in 2013," said Joyer. "And we're excited to have him. (Trading him) is the last thing we're thinking of. We're just trying to get this guy healthy." Garza is out indefinitely with stress reaction in the back of his elbow. The Cubs haven't ruled him out for the rest of the season, but he won't pick up a baseball for a couple of weeks. We're guessing the Cubs would have shopped him pretty aggressively leading up to the trade deadline if he was healthy, but they may now have to wait until next season to shop him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Worst case scenario. Blows it out in ST next year, after agreeing in arb.

 

And the Cardinals pick up as a non roster invitee in 2014 where he earns 68 saves and in 2015 he returns to the rotation and goes 26-3 with a 0.82 ERA.

[Guest]

Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said Monday that Matt Garza (elbow) will likely remain with the team in 2013.

"He's likely to be a member of the Cubs in 2013," said Joyer. "And we're excited to have him. (Trading him) is the last thing we're thinking of. We're just trying to get this guy healthy." Garza is out indefinitely with stress reaction in the back of his elbow. The Cubs haven't ruled him out for the rest of the season, but he won't pick up a baseball for a couple of weeks. We're guessing the Cubs would have shopped him pretty aggressively leading up to the trade deadline if he was healthy, but they may now have to wait until next season to shop him.

 

"hey matt.... we totally were planning on keeping you all along. how about a cheap extension now?"

[davell]

Worst case scenario. Blows it out in ST next year, after agreeing in arb.

 

so again, why does one "gotta think" that the worst case scenario - blows out elbow in spring training after presumably undergoing a thorough physical before signing - will be the one that comes through? please phrase your response in a format that does not include "it's the cubs."

I just said I took the doom and gloom approach. I figure that kind of explained itself.