Who will be the manager? no Ryno talk version

[NewUserName]

Gene Lamont, WTF?

 

I always thought Lamont was a good manager with the White Sox. Of course that was 15 or so years ago

[Guest]

Apparently Sveum is getting a second interview with the Red Sox.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7231973/sources-dale-sveum-gets-2nd-meeting-boston-red-sox

[Guest]

I'd have to guess that we go with Maddux at this point, but nothing would really surprise me.

[Old Style]

Gordon Eades predictions, FWIW

 

The guess here is that Cherington has settled on a manager -- team sources say he is extremely high on Dale Sveum -- and is just going through the process, making sure his judgment is sound. Torey Lovullo, who interviewed Friday, will be a quality manager someday. Gene Lamont, who will interview Saturday, has had his day, although he could yet wind up in Boston as bench guru to Sveum, who played for him when both were in Pittsburgh.

 

(More predictions: Mike Maddux to be hired by the Cubs, Terry Francona by the Cardinals.)

Well he's 0 for 1 so far.

[Elrhino]

I question whether a background or love of stats is even highly sought after in a managerial candidate. In Theo's grand scheme, he might be providing organizational structure and guidelines for which the manager works under, and the manager is more of a personality/people handler and summer camp counselor than a strategist.

[shnsajax]

I'm not sure anyone got the 1st one right though.

[Guest]

I question whether a background or love of stats is even highly sought after in a managerial candidate. In Theo's grand scheme, he might be providing organizational structure and guidelines for which the manager works under, and the manager is more of a personality/people handler and summer camp counselor than a strategist.

 

Handling of pitchers. Maddux.

 

But I will say it's one thing to have a background/love of stats, it's another to resent them and talk about how you'd rather do things from gut instinct and crap like that. I don't want a manager that outwardly rejects intellect and objective data because he's some kind of baseball meatball.

[mul21]

I'm not sure anyone got the 1st one right though.

 

There's been some rumbling down this way that he was a favorite after his interview, but yeah, I don't think any of the national guys saw that coming.

[Elrhino]

Handling of pitchers. Maddux.

 

Is Maddux' handling of pitchers data and quantitative related? It seems like he's following a workout and training regime implemented by an "old school meathead" Nolan Ryan going with his gut and flying in the face of the quantitative rule of thumb at the time.

 

Nolan Ryan—first-ballot Hall of Famer and the alltime strikeout leader, winner of 324 games and author of a record seven no-hitters—is on a crusade, one that began when he took over the Rangers two years ago. The crusade is about turning a losing franchise into a winner, but it is also about taking the game back. It's about unshackling the modern-day pitcher and turning the clock back to the days before pitch counts and Pitcher Abuse Points and the general coddling of hurlers, who are working less yet being paid more than ever before.

 

Under the Ryan regime the Rangers are pushing their pitchers to throw deeper into games, to extend their arms further, to rethink the physical limits that they've been told over and over they have. Says Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux, "This generation of players has become a creature of the pitch count. Their ceiling has been lowered. It's up to us to jack it back up."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169750/index.htm

[jersey cubs fan]

Regardless of what it sounds like, the Rangers starting pitchers don't throw that many pitchers per start.

[AI]

Its all about conditioning the arm and the body to be stronger and more durable.

 

The Rangers do not abuse their pitchers at all and the statistics bear that out.

[Elrhino]

Its all about conditioning the arm and the body to be stronger and more durable

 

 

Sounds like a mentality of removing the reliance on pitch counts as well.

 

d, "Pitch counts are limits. You have no limits." Contrary to some reports the Rangers aren't totally doing away with pitch counts, which they still have in place in the minor leagues (though with more liberal limits than most other organizations have). The Rangers instead believe that not all 100-pitch games are created equal. Some are more stressful on the arm than others, and if a pitcher is cruising late in a game, there's no reason to give him the hook. "What we're trying to get rid of is that thing in pitchers' heads of how many pitches they have," says Maddux. "I'd be out there asking how they feel, and they'd say, 'Well, how many pitches do I have?' And I'd say, 'Doesn't matter—how do you feel?'"

 

Of course, always helps when you have an incredibly deep bull pen.

 

Still don't think Maddux is really reliant or cares much about a quantitative approach to the game, even if the results coincidentally might show it.

[AI]

Its all about conditioning the arm and the body to be stronger and more durable

 

 

Sounds like a mentality of removing the reliance on pitch counts as well.

There is a difference between being cognizant of pitch counts and being ruled by them.

[jersey cubs fan]

Its all about conditioning the arm and the body to be stronger and more durable

 

 

Sounds like a mentality of removing the reliance on pitch counts as well.

There is a difference between being cognizant of pitch counts and being ruled by them.

 

Yeah, it's probably more about the coaches realizing where they are, but not telling the pitcher you will be coming out at 85 pitches, or 105 pitches, or 125 pitches. The coaches know, and obviously do not overextend their pitchers (unlike Dusty who let young guys throw 130+ with regularity).

[Guest]

Its all about conditioning the arm and the body to be stronger and more durable

 

 

Sounds like a mentality of removing the reliance on pitch counts as well.

There is a difference between being cognizant of pitch counts and being ruled by them.

 

Yeah, it's probably more about the coaches realizing where they are, but not telling the pitcher you will be coming out at 85 pitches, or 105 pitches, or 125 pitches. The coaches know, and obviously do not overextend their pitchers (unlike Dusty who let young guys throw 130+ with regularity).

It's also about being smart. There's no reason a guy should throw +110 pitches in April-Sept if:

 

The team has a huge lead

The bullpen is fresh

He's already had a few +100 pitch games in a row

He's had high pitch count innings

His mechanics are breaking down but he's still getting good results

He doesn't have a history of high pitch count games

 

Innings and pitches per inning do matter in the long haul for most pitchers.

[Backtobanks]

I really don't know what's taking so long. The candidates have been interviewed and vetted, so pick someone already. It's not like Maddon or the like is going to suddenly become available.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really don't know what's taking so long. The candidates have been interviewed and vetted, so pick someone already. It's not like Maddon or the like is going to suddenly become available.

 

Their first choice was Ventura then Matheny so now they have to go back to the drawing board.

[tfarks]

They're giving Maddux time to write some new material for his official press conference.

[hardcorecubfan]

I really don't know what's taking so long. The candidates have been interviewed and vetted, so pick someone already. It's not like Maddon or the like is going to suddenly become available.

 

Their first choice was Ventura then Matheny so now they have to go back to the drawing board.

 

 

Knowing the cub's luck we'll get Jesse Ventura

[AI]

Per Jon Heyman's Twitter...

 

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

Cubs will do a second round in managerial derby. So far its between maddux sveum alomar and mackanin

[Vanilla Ice]

Unless they don't

[Sammy Sofa]

So it's between all of the guys they interviewed.

 

Stunning.

[SouthSideRyan]

So far they've narrowed down their candidates to the guys they've interviewed.

[Sammy Sofa]

I WIN.

[UMFan83]

So far they've narrowed down their candidates to the guys they've interviewed.

 

Looks like Tito is out