Who will be the manager? no Ryno talk version

[SouthSideRyan]

Francona has told CSNNE that he will not manage next season.

"I've talked to Theo numerous times,'' said Francona. "We both know each other well enough where we can can be honest with each other. I don't think it's the right opportunity.

 

"I need to take a step back and re-energize. That's probably in my best interest right now. In fairness to myself, it's the best thing to do.

 

So the Cubs told him he wouldn't get the job.

 

I don't see how someone could take those quotes any other way, especially considering the report that he was nearly begging Theo for the job, and interviewed with St. Louis and didnt get the job. He's saving face I guess.

 

It was all part of Theo's masterplan to make Francona look good by saying he was a candidate and then not hiring him!!!

 

That and trading Chris Duncan.

[Theo]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

[PrimeTime]

Think they'll go to Demarlo Hale now?

[UMFan83]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

[jersey cubs fan]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

His responses to the media were worrisome.

[Guest]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Not good news? They don't want him. They worked with him for like 8 years. If they decide that they don't want him based off that, I'm not sure how that's bad news.

 

I'm still not sure what the Francona selling points are... can somebody give me anything (don't bother hitting reply if you're going to talk about rings or something)?

[Theo]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

He'd be ok I guess. Just doesn't seem like a home run of a hire.

[Guest]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

His responses to the media were worrisome.

 

But he uses an iPad!

[Theo]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Not good news? They don't want him. They worked with him for like 8 years. If they decide that they don't want him based off that, I'm not sure how that's bad news.

 

I'm still not sure what the Francona selling points are... can somebody give me anything (don't bother hitting reply if you're going to talk about rings or something)?

 

Francona seems like a 'safe' choice in that it's proven he will buy into the theories and philosophy of Theo/Hoyer.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Not good news? They don't want him. They worked with him for like 8 years. If they decide that they don't want him based off that, I'm not sure how that's bad news.

 

I'm still not sure what the Francona selling points are... can somebody give me anything (don't bother hitting reply if you're going to talk about rings or something)?

 

The primary one in my mind is that he worked for them before, and if they hired him that would mean they were comfortable with him implenenting their general strategy on the big league club.

 

On his own I'm not sure there's any one clear thing in his favor. But with the case of most managers it's more about not sucking like some guys do.

[UMFan83]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

His responses to the media were worrisome.

 

What did he say? His interview was the one I heard the least about. I just remember hearing that he was completely open to using advanced stats to aid his decision making.

[jersey cubs fan]

What did he say? His interview was the one I heard the least about. I just remember hearing that he was completely open to using advanced stats to aid his decision making.

 

He basically said stuff like, you have to look at how certain guys bat with runners in scoring position. He looked like a guy who had no clue what advanced stats were but was so desperate for a real managing gig (he's only been an interim guy in the past) that he'd say anything to get the job.

[Guest]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

His responses to the media were worrisome.

 

What did he say? His interview was the one I heard the least about. I just remember hearing that he was completely open to using advanced stats to aid his decision making.

 

 

He didn't seem to really know what advanced metrics were.

[minnesotacubsfan]

that he'd say anything to get the job.

 

as would I

[Guest]

Sveum also worked with the sox for two years, so I think they know him well too. If they like him I'm fine with it.

[seanimal]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Tell me what you don't like about MacKanin other than 'he's old' (60)

 

He'd be ok I guess. Just doesn't seem like a home run of a hire.

 

hiring a mgr isn't a pr move. this team doesn't need to make a "splash" or "hit a home run".

 

all this hand-wringing is silly. mike maddux interviewed a week ago today. the interview process wasn't even wrapped up until this weekend. this isn't mcdonalds, hiring a manager who is currently employed takes more than 3 minutes.

 

all this "mike maddux needs to make up his mind" or "we're going to get francona" babble is clearly ignoring what the individuals involved have said. theo specifically discussed the challenge they're faced with hiring a first-time manager during the season ticket-holder q&a, after answering a question days earlier from a reporter regarding francona by saying something along the lines of "we don't think it's the right fit". after maddux turned down the opportunity to interview for the red sox, he stated specifically that he was going to talk to his family about the cubs job before he interviewed last week. if he interviewed, we can logically infer that family isn't going to stand in the way.

[Guest]

Once they decide on a manager, a few days of negotiation on a multimillion dollar contract is a completely reasonable expectation, too.

[jersey cubs fan]

after maddux turned down the opportunity to interview for the red sox, he stated specifically that he was going to talk to his family about the cubs job before he interviewed last week. if he interviewed, we can logically infer that family isn't going to stand in the way.

 

While I agree with your sentiment I disagree with your logical inference. Maybe they weren't opposed to him interviewing, but when it comes time to accept the actual move they'd flinch. Maybe he wanted to interview to see if he was blown away, but he wasn't. There's a few reasons why simply interviewing does not guarantee family issues won't keep him away.

[MSG T]

after maddux turned down the opportunity to interview for the red sox, he stated specifically that he was going to talk to his family about the cubs job before he interviewed last week. if he interviewed, we can logically infer that family isn't going to stand in the way.

 

While I agree with your sentiment I disagree with your logical inference. Maybe they weren't opposed to him interviewing, but when it comes time to accept the actual move they'd flinch. Maybe he wanted to interview to see if he was blown away, but he wasn't. There's a few reasons why simply interviewing does not guarantee family issues won't keep him away.

 

 

Exactly. His family may have said "we're not interested in going to Boston at all" and "we'd be interested in Chicago, but only under certain circumstances, so you might as well go see if they are offering something close to that". Once the interview is over, they then see if what the Cubs (and Chicago itself) are offering is close to what they want. If it's close, they may want to take some time considering it before making a decision.

 

It could also be that an official offer hasn't been made, but that they've alluded to them one's coming to give them a chance to think it over now.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Well, there is little doubt that the Cubs are waiting on Maddux to decide if he wants to move his family. If he wants the job, I'd have to think it's his.

[C.C.]

Well, there is little doubt that the Cubs are waiting on Maddux to decide if he wants to move his family. If he wants the job, I'd have to think it's his.

 

Based on what?

[davearm2]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Not good news? They don't want him. They worked with him for like 8 years. If they decide that they don't want him based off that, I'm not sure how that's bad news.

 

I'm still not sure what the Francona selling points are... can somebody give me anything (don't bother hitting reply if you're going to talk about rings or something)?

We know he's fully compatible with Team Theo's ethos: he buys into it, he's well versed in operating within it, plus he's been successful in it.

 

He's the quintessential bird in hand.

[Guest]

Not good news. Now we are hoping that we can get Sveum, or Maddux decides he does want to manage. Otherwise the other choices, not so good.

 

Not good news? They don't want him. They worked with him for like 8 years. If they decide that they don't want him based off that, I'm not sure how that's bad news.

 

I'm still not sure what the Francona selling points are... can somebody give me anything (don't bother hitting reply if you're going to talk about rings or something)?

We know he's fully compatible with Team Theo's ethos: he buys into it, he's well versed in operating within it, plus he's been successful in it.

 

He's the quintessential bird in hand.

 

I haven't heard one thing about him or his managing style to know that he buys into any of that.

 

All I know is that he managed successful teams in Boston and wasn't going to get fired in the middle of all that. And I also know that Theo knows all about him and has seemingly passed on hiring him here, despite what appears to be a strong desire in Francona to have the job.

[Guest]

CubsDen John Arguello

Hearing whispers that Maddux may be the next to pull out of #Cubs manager race. Nothing confirmed, though. Trying to verify.

2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

 

It's just the CubsDen guy, though, so take it FWIW.

[jersey cubs fan]

CubsDen John Arguello

Hearing whispers that Maddux may be the next to pull out of #Cubs manager race. Nothing confirmed, though. Trying to verify.

2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

 

 

It's just the CubsDen guy, though, so take it FWIW.

Wait, who are the guys before him that pulled out of the race?