Hoyer coming to Chicago

[Guest]

hayooo

[Elrhino]

Do we really want Fleita running anything?

 

Isn't he a big part of the problem with the lack of any sort of instruction in the direction of patience in our lower levels (in fact, the opposite of such)?

 

Not to mention what seems like overly aggressive promotion of our minor leaguers (sometimes it works out, but a lot of times it doesn't). But maybe I'm pegging those things on the wrong guy.

 

I'd have a hard time thinking of many examples of people who were really hurt by the aggressive promotions, but maybe they are out there. Fleita is definitely in charge of that though as well as somewhat dictating a minor league philosophy. He probably shouldn't be running the whole player development program although they can probably find a better role for him.

 

Why not just find no role for him (I know it's kinda late to bark up that tree since they signed him)? What does he do especially well?

I think he ran the Latin American operations when we got Zambrano, Cruz, Guzman (even though he was originally signed by the Royals), etc. With Ricketts actually giving some real money to signing international free agents, maybe he'd be good at that.

 

I guess Pie, Soto and Marmol fit into that timeframe as well?

[SouthSideRyan]

Soto was drafted.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Soto was drafted.

 

That doesn't sound right. He looks pretty foreign.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

you certainly get very defensive when anyone says anything about either guy. fleita certainly hasn't been successful (and the little success he's had he's had specifically in latin america, where i'm suggesting he should stay) with the cubs and wilken has had mixed results at best--1 good draft out of how many doesn't necessarily instill confidence in me. that's just strange why you'd feel such a need to protect them from any and all criticism.

 

hoyer basically turned the padres minor league system around in one year, i doubt the roles of two relics left around from the days of hendry will remain intact based on the revolution that is happening inside the organization. regardless of how amazingly successful fleita and wilken have been since their time here.

 

Because I don't believe either guy to be anything close to what they're perceived to be on Cubs boards in recent times. I feel as much as the lack of success has hurt them with the fanbase (makes sense, big money ML roster sucks so it must be the cheap minor leaguers bringing the team down), they're absolutely killed because they're not touted for their abilities with numbers. It's something I've come to perceive after reading a crapton of criticisms about them, and I don't think I'm wrong in perceiving it. I feel that both would garner much more respect if they said something generic about scouting players that would please the modern hardcore fan...something like "we're trying to get more OBP in the organization." For the most part they've both avoided that because it does nothing for anyone.

 

Anyway, both are key cogs in the fact that the Cubs system was ranked 8th last year (pre-trade) and both are key cogs in the quick rise this system will be taking within the next 2 years (as they've planted much of the depth and foundation New GM and Friends will build on and with).

Fact is, the minor league portion of the organization has been the closest thing to a bright spot for at least the past two seasons. It's given the team it's bullpen, it's best player, it's starting C, it's starting 2B, it's best pitcher (via trade), it's future GM (as compensation, if it happens), the former starting 1B (via trade), the former/2011 starting 3B (via trade), the whole bullpen (minus Grabow)....Much of that on the work of Wilken and Fleita....and note that that's the tip of the iceberg as Jackson, Flaherty, Jackson, Carpenter, LeMahieu, Dolis, and others are likely to reach the majors or already have...To me that's plenty of reason to keep them around, even despite their lesser intelligence, processes, and overall archaic train of thought.

 

The Padres system isn't even all that amazing in the first place right now. To get it to where it is Hoyer traded an elite hitter in his prime and then had a top 10 pick in each draft round...I'm not knocking Hoyer's work because I know he's a competent FO man, but your statement is a little overdone. I don't think the work there is all that special, nor do I think that work in the farm system is out of the league of either Wilken or Fleita. Hoyer and McLeod will be very happy to be working with two guys who know what they're doing here, and both of those guys will be boons to the organization for however long they're here.

 

Edit: Forgot one thing...They worked under Hendry, which is something that most consider a negative despite it just being what it is (that they worked under Hendry).

[Magnetic Curses]

that certainly looks like a lot of words.

 

good job, you two.

[Magnetic Curses]

and i really have no intention of spazzing out over this and writing a bunch of words, but i'm taking my opinion of the padres system from fairly knowledgable padres fans themselves who are distraught to see hoyer go.

 

you can think whatever spazzy thoughts you want to to make whatever spazzy points you want to, but the padres have a pretty good system thanks to hoyer.

[mul21]

and i really have no intention of spazzing out over this and writing a bunch of words, but i'm taking my opinion of the padres system from fairly knowledgeable padres fans themselves who are distraught to see hoyer go.

 

you can think whatever spazzy thoughts you want to to make whatever spazzy points you want to, but the padres have a pretty good system thanks to hoyer.

 

The only problem I have with that is the fact that, as somebody else mentioned, like half of the good prospects he has in their system are from trading Gonzalez and Adams. He just hasn't been there long enough to really make a huge difference in what they've got. Now, picking the right guys to trade for is a nice quality to have, but those are guys who you've had a chance to see against other professionals before acquiring them.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

and i really have no intention of spazzing out over this and writing a bunch of words, but i'm taking my opinion of the padres system from fairly knowledgable padres fans themselves who are distraught to see hoyer go.

 

you can think whatever spazzy thoughts you want to to make whatever spazzy points you want to, but the padres have a pretty good system thanks to hoyer.

 

Whoa OK then you're totally right wtf was I thinking...Padres fans are praising the Padres system to a non-fan of the Padres? What next in this crazy new world I've woken up naked to? "Pretty good" at that? My god those are some major gains. It's like he traded an elite pen arm and an elite bat + picked in the top 10 or something. Though I bet it's something waaaaay harder to do/more creative than that.

[Magnetic Curses]

aahaha

[Laura]

@thekapman David Kaplan

Hearing that no compensation will be required to bring Jed Hoyer over from San Diego.

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Nice, if true.

[RammyFanny]

@NCTPadres

Dan Hayes @thesacbunt Haven't been able to get a straight answer but heard Cubs weren't sold on Byrnes before Theo. I'd guess Jed was first choice.

NCTPadres Dan Hayes

Team source: #Padres have a pre-agreed list of #Cubs players to choose from as compensation for Jed Hoyer. No other employees will be taken.

14 minutes ago

 

Edit: he goes on to say the Mcleoud (I have no clue how to spell it) is coming too, he just forgot to put him in there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Hahahahaha.

 

Padres fan blog on Oct. 12, "Oh man, the Cubs hired Epstein. They better keep their hands off of Hoyer and McLeod. Hopefully they just take Byrnes or something."

 

http://www.gaslampball.com/2011/10/12/2486016/theo-epstein-to-join-the-chicago-cubs-end-curse-turn-cubs-fan-into

[Hollandsworths mug]

Cubs officially asked for and were granted permission to talk with Hoyer this afternoon. Tom doing it in stealth mode again.

 

Josh Byrnes moved very close to becoming the Padres' ninth general manager Friday afternoon as the Padres officially granted the Chicago Cubs permission to talk to current GM Jed Hoyer and assistant GM Jason McLeod.

 

The Cubs asked for permission to talk to Hoyer and McLeod as the club’s deal with the Red Sox regarding Theo Epstein was being completed. Epstein is expected to be announced as the Cubs' president of baseball operations Tuesday.

 

Byrnes is expected to be introduced as the Padres general manager later in the week.

 

“The Cubs made a formal request to talk to Hoyer and McLeod Friday and it was granted,” said a source who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/oct/21/cubs-receive-permission-talk-hoyer-mcleod/

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25746402&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

[Guancous]

Cubs officially asked for and were granted permission to talk with Hoyer this afternoon. Tom doing it in stealth mode again.

 

Josh Byrnes moved very close to becoming the Padres' ninth general manager Friday afternoon as the Padres officially granted the Chicago Cubs permission to talk to current GM Jed Hoyer and assistant GM Jason McLeod.

 

The Cubs asked for permission to talk to Hoyer and McLeod as the club’s deal with the Red Sox regarding Theo Epstein was being completed. Epstein is expected to be announced as the Cubs' president of baseball operations Tuesday.

 

Byrnes is expected to be introduced as the Padres general manager later in the week.

 

“The Cubs made a formal request to talk to Hoyer and McLeod Friday and it was granted,” said a source who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/oct/21/cubs-receive-permission-talk-hoyer-mcleod/

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25746402&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

 

Bleacher Nation (Who has been on fire this offseason):

 

RT @NCTPadres #Padres just announced Jed Hoyer & Jason McLeod will leave, effective immediately, to accept positions with the Chicago #Cubs.

 

RT @NCTPadres Part of announcement is #Cubs have agreed to send #Padres a player to be named later as compensation.

[Cubswin11]

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/evaluating-jed-hoyers-brief-stay-in-san-diego/

 

THT with an interesting, move-by-move take on Hoyer's years in SD.

[Cubswin11]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/evaluating-jed-hoyers-brief-stay-in-san-diego/

 

THT with an interesting, move-by-move take on Hoyer's years in SD.

That's a good article. But what I take of it is, we are going to suck for a while and hope that our trades for high tier prospects/high draft position pays off with impact players. And if it doesn't we're fucked but at least we tried.

[CincyCubsFan]

Someone needs to remind Jed that the Cubs actually have a payroll.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Someone needs to remind Jed that the Cubs actually have a payroll.

 

I can't figure out what they intend to do with it.

 

If you combine last year's payroll with the surplus from the CBA changes, they've got to have something like $40-50 million left on the table. And they are talking about trading Garza, too, which would shed another $8 million (minus his replacement).

 

They could sign Fielder and Cespedes and still have a ton of room left over.

 

Maybe it just goes into the Ricketts' pockets, maybe it's saved for future seasons, I just don't know.

[CincyCubsFan]

Someone needs to remind Jed that the Cubs actually have a payroll.

 

I can't figure out what they intend to do with it.

 

If you combine last year's payroll with the surplus from the CBA changes, they've got to have something like $40-50 million left on the table. And they are talking about trading Garza, too, which would shed another $8 million (minus his replacement).

 

They could sign Fielder and Cespedes and still have a ton of room left over.

 

Maybe it just goes into the Ricketts' pockets, maybe it's saved for future seasons, I just don't know.

 

I feel like we're Pam Beesley, asking management for new chairs...but Michael just wants his 20% surplus bonus.

[Conky]

My guess is they are going to go hard after the Cubans and IFA. The ballpark needs a bit of work too.

[ctcf]

Could also be the likely FA class (pitching!) of next offseason and the fact that not many of the FA's this offseason made much sense for the Cubs.

[Fro]

They could put part of the leftover money towards making Soriano go away.

 

That'd leave us with essentially a blank slate for 2013 with no bad contracts on the books.

[Cubswin11]

They could put part of the leftover money towards making Soriano go away.

 

That'd leave us with essentially a blank slate for 2013 with no bad contracts on the books.

Or we could just keep Soriano and play him more smartly as he can still be a productive player if used in the right spots and we'd still have like $30-50m left to play with, with his contract on the books.