Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[minnesotacubsfan]

the SWIRL man

[RammyFanny]

Posted?

There appears to be resolution on at least one issue, according to a baseball source who has spoken with Red Sox officials. As things stand now, Epstein will be permitted to take one prominent member of the Red Sox organization with him to Chicago.

One surprising name that has surfaced, according to the source, is Jonathan Gilula, who would not come from the baseball side but is the executive vice president of business affairs. Gilula, who has been in MLB for 14 seasons and with the Red Sox for nine, played a major role in the renovations, remodeling and expansion of Fenway Park, and with the Cubs looking to do the same with Wrigley Field, Epstein might invite Gilula to join him in Chicago.

 

Trainer Mike Reinold, whose importance to the Red Sox goes beyond the major league clubhouse, may also be in play, the source said. The Boston Herald first raised the possibility that Reinold might join Epstein in Chicago. Not believed to be in play are existing department heads on the baseball operations side, including Mike Hazen, director of player development, or Amiel Sawdaye, director of amateur scouting. The possibility remains that Epstein could ask special assistant Dave Finley or assistant to the GM Allard Baird to join him.

According to the same source, while there is still some uncertainty what title Epstein will have in Chicago, there is credence to reports that Epstein would become president and hire a general manager rather than hold dual titles.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7120801/source-theo-epstein-chicago-cubs-talks-stalemate

[UMFan83]

Yup posted a couple of pages ago I believe

[Bote McBoteface]

........So, we could in theory get Theo to be the president, Friedman to be the GM, Hoyer to be the Assistant GM, and Rick Haun to pick Theo's nose?

 

Edit: Is there a reason they can't just use a PTBNL that way they can complete this and do the rest of the negotiations behind the scenes? If the Cubs are already acting like he's theirs, and the Red Sox are already acting like he's gone, and Theo is already planning his hires, and there is already a contract in place....it isn't like this is a make or break issue and nobody knows whether Theo is going or not. It seems like this is exactly the scenario that the PTBNL was created for.

[Epsteenie]

Yup posted a couple of pages ago I believe

 

Yep. By one of those weird kids with the Epstein names that no one can differentiate and will cause confusion inevitably when the time comes for them to be made fun of.

[ParadigmShift]

Yup posted a couple of pages ago I believe

 

Yep. By one of those weird kids with the Epstein names that no one can differentiate and will cause confusion inevitably when the time comes for them to be made fun of.

 

Reminds me of:

 

Second Bruce: Here! Here's the boss-fellow now! - how are you bruce?

 

(Enter fourth Bruce with English person, Michael)

 

Fourth Bruce: 'Ow are you, Bruce?

 

First Bruce: G'day Bruce!

 

Fourth Bruce: Bruce.

 

Second Bruce: Hello Bruce.

 

Fourth Bruce: Bruce.

 

Third Bruce: How are you, Bruce?

 

Fourth Bruce: G'day Bruce.

 

Fourth Bruce: Gentleman, I'd like to introduce man from Pommeyland who is joinin' us this year in the philosophy department at the University of Walamaloo.

 

Everybruce: G'day!

 

Michael: Hello.

 

Fourth Bruce: Michael Baldwin, Bruce. Michael Baldwin, Bruce. Michael Baldwin, Bruce.

 

First Bruce: Is your name not Bruce?

 

Michael: No, it's Michael.

 

Second Bruce: That's going to cause a little confusion.

 

Third Bruce: Mind if we call you "Bruce" to keep it clear?

[Epsteenie]

The similarity in our names will only create a great competition which will lead us to greater analysis and opinions in the hopes of differentiating ourselves from the other. We will become bastions of logic and reason in a community yearning for such.

[Yeti]

The similarity in our names will only create a great competition which will lead us to greater analysis and opinions in the hopes of differentiating ourselves from the other. We will become bastions of logic and reason in a community yearning for such.

:lol:

[A New Era]

The similarity in our names will only create a great competition which will lead us to greater analysis and opinions in the hopes of differentiating ourselves from the other. We will become bastions of logic and reason in a community yearning for such.

 

Or, we could just make up nicknames for you.

 

You'll be teenie.

[Banedon]

The similarity in our names will only create a great competition which will lead us to greater analysis and opinions in the hopes of differentiating ourselves from the other. We will become bastions of logic and reason in a community yearning for such.

 

Or, we could just make up nicknames for you.

 

You'll be teenie.

 

If his posts suck, he can be weenie. [expletive] I'm creative.

[Banedon]

"Right now, the two teams that got it done are here," Hamilton said. "Hopefully the focus will be on them, not worrying about where Boston is and what they're going to do with their GMs or pitching or whatever."

[shnsajax]

........So, we could in theory get Theo to be the president, Friedman to be the GM, Hoyer to be the Assistant GM, and Rick Haun to pick Theo's nose?

 

Edit: Is there a reason they can't just use a PTBNL that way they can complete this and do the rest of the negotiations behind the scenes? If the Cubs are already acting like he's theirs, and the Red Sox are already acting like he's gone, and Theo is already planning his hires, and there is already a contract in place....it isn't like this is a make or break issue and nobody knows whether Theo is going or not. It seems like this is exactly the scenario that the PTBNL was created for.

 

Of course if they could ever agree on a short list of players for Boston to choose from.

[Laura]

........So, we could in theory get Theo to be the president, Friedman to be the GM, Hoyer to be the Assistant GM, and Rick Haun to pick Theo's nose?

 

Edit: Is there a reason they can't just use a PTBNL that way they can complete this and do the rest of the negotiations behind the scenes? If the Cubs are already acting like he's theirs, and the Red Sox are already acting like he's gone, and Theo is already planning his hires, and there is already a contract in place....it isn't like this is a make or break issue and nobody knows whether Theo is going or not. It seems like this is exactly the scenario that the PTBNL was created for.

 

Of course if they could ever agree on a short list of players for Boston to choose from.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being part of the solution, if it's permissible. For all the talk of leverage and bad PR forcing the Cubs hand, Boston really needs to point to some sort of compensation as a win to its fan base. Hopefully, the (supposed) news blackout during the WS will give both sides some breathing room to strike a deal.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Epstein Limbo, Day 7. Let's do this.

 

Odds of something getting done today: 25%

Current imaginary deadline: Friday, the off-day in the World Series when Bud will give us papal leave to announce a deal.

Odds of conflicting reports on the state of negotiations: 100%

Odds that Red Sox fans will tilt me with specious arguments: 95% (5% that I stay off of SoSH for the rest of the day)

Thread goal for the day: 15 pages.

[17 Seconds]

i like new kyle

[Guest]

Theo's weakness has undoubtedly been FA signings, so it might not be the worst idea in the world to bring in a GM. But I don't know whether that's a particularly strong attribute for Hoyer.

 

I don't think it would be much different in that regard than if Theo were GM and Hoyer were Asst. GM.

 

In this particular case, I think they're just titles.

 

It's kind of a bummer in some ways, but I'm not even sure being President necessarily precludes him from being the guy we hear on the radio or see at press conferences and stuff like that, so w/e.

[Guest]

The Theo President vs. GM thing would matter if there were somebody else who would be President if Theo were GM, but either way, he's the head baseball guy and is in charge of baseball operations....everyone else works under him in either scenario. If anything, it's a positive that it's playing out this way because it lets us bring another smart guy into our front office that we wouldn't otherwise be able to pilfer (like a Hoyer).

[dfnowak]

........So, we could in theory get Theo to be the president, Friedman to be the GM, Hoyer to be the Assistant GM, and Rick Haun to pick Theo's nose?

 

Edit: Is there a reason they can't just use a PTBNL that way they can complete this and do the rest of the negotiations behind the scenes? If the Cubs are already acting like he's theirs, and the Red Sox are already acting like he's gone, and Theo is already planning his hires, and there is already a contract in place....it isn't like this is a make or break issue and nobody knows whether Theo is going or not. It seems like this is exactly the scenario that the PTBNL was created for.

But, isn't the PTBNL already known by the negotiating parties? I know w/the Ubaldo Jimenez trade, the PTBNL was Drew Pomeranz, which couldn't become official until he had been w/the Indians for one year after he was signed. I doubt the Red Sox would let Theo free until the compensation is finalized nor would they want to negotiate against him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

While the Red Sox trying to juice us for everything they can really pisses me off, it would be hard to fault the Padres for doing the same. With the Red Sox, there has been an obvious rift between Theo and ownership and the relationship had obviously expired. Also, he'd be getting a promotion. With The Padres, they really have no incentive to let Hoyer go. They're a very small market and don't have much going for them aside from a few solid young players, but nobody thinks they'll be any kind of threat any time soon. They're like the poor kid with one cool toy and the rich kid wants to take it from him. While I have no desire to give up any valuable prospects for 1 GM let alone 2, if the Padres try to juice us for all they can, it's hard to really blame them.

[tfarks]

Isn't there a good GM out there that Theo can hire without compensating another team. Once this Epstein mess is over, and lordy hopefully soon, repeating this process doesn't appear to be optimal. And like WSR said, I certainly wouldn't assume San Diego to be any easier.

[Guest]

But, isn't the PTBNL already known by the negotiating parties?

 

Not always.

[Backtobanks]

My suggestion (many pages ago) of Ricketts making a final offer and a deadline can now be implemented by hiring Hoyer/Byrnes as GM and putting more pressure on the Red Sox. If they don't take the deal, let Epstein sit out for a year on their payroll and secretly advise our new GM on moves to make starting with the millions of dollars saved this year and the prospects kept. Next year hire Epstein as president of baseball operations.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Isn't there a good GM out there that Theo can hire without compensating another team. Once this Epstein mess is over, and lordy hopefully soon, repeating this process doesn't appear to be optimal. And like WSR said, I certainly wouldn't assume San Diego to be any easier.

 

I was actually wondering if there was a way for Epstein to interview as many guys as he can, be they existing baseball guys who aren't under binding contracts or wiz kids straight out of college and try to groom his next protege. For the time being, Theo can be the GM/President of Baseball Ops until the next guy is ready to take over the GM roll. Surely NSBB is full of qualified candidates.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

My suggestion (many pages ago) of Ricketts making a final offer and a deadline can now be implemented by hiring Hoyer/Byrnes as GM and putting more pressure on the Red Sox. If they don't take the deal, let Epstein sit out for a year on their payroll and secretly advise our new GM on moves to make starting with the millions of dollars saved this year and the prospects kept. Next year hire Epstein as president of baseball operations.

 

That would be highly unethical on Epstein's part and just as bad on the Cubs' part to ask him to do it. I don't think you want him to be that kind of person.

 

If you wait a year for him, he's out for the year.

[Soul]

My suggestion (many pages ago) of Ricketts making a final offer and a deadline can now be implemented by hiring Hoyer/Byrnes as GM and putting more pressure on the Red Sox. If they don't take the deal, let Epstein sit out for a year on their payroll and secretly advise our new GM on moves to make starting with the millions of dollars saved this year and the prospects kept. Next year hire Epstein as president of baseball operations.

 

I certainly don't know the rules, but this sounds like it might get the Cubs into a significant amount of trouble if it was confirmed someone on another team's payroll was actually GM'ing our team.