CJ Wilson thread: Signed by Angels 5/$77.5 million pg 10

[dew1679666265]

Did you hear Theo's comment on wanting to make sure the big contracts he gives are to players we'll be getting in their prime years (26-32)?

 

Yeah, and I'm not sure what to take from it. How strict will he be with that? Does he oppose ever giving any big contracts to any guy who is outside his prime years? What if he's in his prime when you give the contract, but he'll exit it during the contract (Prince)?

 

It's a great rule to follow in general terms, but I think it has to be a flexible rule when considering specifics and I'd imagine that's what Theo will do in practice. I'm not sure about that, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Did you hear Theo's comment on wanting to make sure the big contracts he gives are to players we'll be getting in their prime years (26-32)?

 

Yeah, and I'm not sure what to take from it. How strict will he be with that? Does he oppose ever giving any big contracts to any guy who is outside his prime years? What if he's in his prime when you give the contract, but he'll exit it during the contract (Prince)?

 

It's a great rule to follow in general terms, but I think it has to be a flexible rule when considering specifics and I'd imagine that's what Theo will do in practice. I'm not sure about that, though.

 

It was in direct response to a question about pre-and-post prime players, and I don't really think he made any sort of statement that he would never sign a 32 year old.

[dew1679666265]

It was in direct response to a question about pre-and-post prime players, and I don't really think he made any sort of statement that he would never sign a 32 year old.

 

That would be the logical thing, so that's what I'm assuming is the case.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Did you hear Theo's comment on wanting to make sure the big contracts he gives are to players we'll be getting in their prime years (26-32)?

 

Yeah, and I'm not sure what to take from it. How strict will he be with that? Does he oppose ever giving any big contracts to any guy who is outside his prime years? What if he's in his prime when you give the contract, but he'll exit it during the contract (Prince)?

 

It's a great rule to follow in general terms, but I think it has to be a flexible rule when considering specifics and I'd imagine that's what Theo will do in practice. I'm not sure about that, though.

 

It was in direct response to a question about pre-and-post prime players, and I don't really think he made any sort of statement that he would never sign a 32 year old.

More specifically, he said the ideal is to have as many players as possible in their prime but there will always be a mix of younger, team-controlled guys as well as veterans.

[Brian]

Completely random, CJ Wilson is starting free agency, where he's about to make big money, road tripping through the southwest with Carlton Cuse (1 of the show runners from Lost)

 

http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/443844796.jpg

[El Duderino]

i was wondering where carlton cuse went. I wonder if damon is with them.

[Guest]

Bill (N Side)

 

 

Could Marlon Byrd or Geo Soto bring a Jonathan Sanchez type pitcher in return?

Bruce Levine

(1:29 PM)

 

 

If you trade Soto you are trading your only veteran catcher. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it but you have to get yourself a heck of a pitcher if you're trading a starting catcher. After Byrd's season in 2011, he will not bring a top-flight pitcher by himself. My gut tells me that the Cubs will go after Buehrle and/or Wilson as a priority.

 

If he literally means his gut tells him, then this is worthless... but hopefully the Wilson part has some basis in reality.

[Tracer Bullet]

Bill (N Side)

 

 

Could Marlon Byrd or Geo Soto bring a Jonathan Sanchez type pitcher in return?

Bruce Levine

(1:29 PM)

 

 

If you trade Soto you are trading your only veteran catcher. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it but you have to get yourself a heck of a pitcher if you're trading a starting catcher. After Byrd's season in 2011, he will not bring a top-flight pitcher by himself. My gut tells me that the Cubs will go after Buehrle and/or Wilson as a priority.

 

If he literally means his gut tells him, then this is worthless... but hopefully the Wilson part has some basis in reality.

 

So much fail in that Q/A. Beyond the obvious...is Sanchez a top flight pitcher?

[Cubswin11]

Bill (N Side)

 

 

Could Marlon Byrd or Geo Soto bring a Jonathan Sanchez type pitcher in return?

Bruce Levine

(1:29 PM)

 

 

If you trade Soto you are trading your only veteran catcher. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it but you have to get yourself a heck of a pitcher if you're trading a starting catcher. After Byrd's season in 2011, he will not bring a top-flight pitcher by himself. My gut tells me that the Cubs will go after Buehrle and/or Wilson as a priority.

 

If he literally means his gut tells him, then this is worthless... but hopefully the Wilson part has some basis in reality.

 

So much fail in that Q/A. Beyond the obvious...is Sanchez a top flight pitcher?[/quote]

Dude, he threw a no-hitter.......

[Clem Fandango]

According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, the Yankees believe the prices are "way too high" on free agent pitchers C.J. Wilson and Edwin Jackson.

The Yankees have been in touch with the agents for both pitchers, but are in no rush to make a significant offer. While pitching is a top priority for Yankees' general manager Brian Cashman this offseason, they plan to wait out the market in hopes that the prices fall. There are few quality options among free agent starters, so we're not sure this strategy will actually prove successful.

 

If the Yankees think the prices are way too high then that's a little frightening.

[Guest]

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

just to be clear, cj wilson's rep is 1 who asked for a visit w/ #yankees, not the other way around. still waiting on a yes

1 minute ago

[Guest]

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

Cj wilson seeks 6 years for close to $120M. Good luck with that. #dreaming

5 minutes ago

[dew1679666265]

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

Cj wilson seeks 6 years for close to $120M. Good luck with that. #dreaming

5 minutes ago

 

As an opening price, I actually don't think that's too outlandish. Now there's no way he'll get that, but it's only 1 year and a couple million AAV above what I expect he'll end up at. If his agent started the negotiations at 5/85, he should fire the agent.

 

He'll start at 6/120, interested teams will start at 5/65 and they'll meet somewhere in the middle - 5/90 with a $25 million or so option of some type.

[RynoRules]

I wouldn't give CJ Wilson 5 years; at least not if I am the Cubs.

[dew1679666265]

I wouldn't give CJ Wilson 5 years; at least not if I am the Cubs.

 

He's been an elite starter for two seasons now and has just 700 MLB innings on his arm. He's as good a risk as you're going to find on the pitching FA market.

[XZero771679666304]

I wouldn't give CJ Wilson 5 years; at least not if I am the Cubs.

 

He's been an elite starter for two seasons now and has just 700 MLB innings on his arm. He's as good a risk as you're going to find on the pitching FA market.

 

He's been very good, but I wouldn't pay him like an ace. I'd give him five years, but not for more than 15-16MM per year.

[dew1679666265]

He's been very good, but I wouldn't pay him like an ace. I'd give him five years, but not for more than 15-16MM per year.

 

I've been in favor of maxing out at 5/85-90 for him. I have no problem paying him like an ace due to the exceptional performance for 2 years and the lack of mileage on his arm, but he's still a pitcher so I wouldn't go past 5 years or above $17-18 AAV.

[buckeye27]

I wouldn't give CJ Wilson 5 years; at least not if I am the Cubs.

 

He's been an elite starter for two seasons now and has just 700 MLB innings on his arm. He's as good a risk as you're going to find on the pitching FA market.

 

He's been very good, but I wouldn't pay him like an ace. I'd give him five years, but not for more than 15-16MM per year.

 

CJ wilson is not a #1. simple as that. and he shouldnt be paid like one.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yep, simple as that.

[Sammy Sofa]

That's simple alright.

[MSG T]

Yeah, not sure why you'd consider a guy, who since becoming a starter has the 9th highest WAR in baseball, a #1. Doesn't make much sense.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, not sure why you'd consider a guy, who since becoming a starter has the 9th highest WAR in baseball, a #1. Doesn't make much sense.

 

He's not though. Just that simple.

[buckeye27]

Yeah, not sure why you'd consider a guy, who since becoming a starter has the 9th highest WAR in baseball, a #1. Doesn't make much sense.

 

his numbers the past 2 years i bet are better than cliff lee's numbers. do you think anyone would rather have wilson over lee? while numbers surely mean a lot and absolutely are a huge negotiating point, its his terrible post season that has people devaluing him.

 

in my mind, a number one is that guy who stops losing streaks, who takes the ball every 5th day and wins most of his outings, but above all, when absolutely needed in the post season, elevates his play in big games.

 

he'd be our #3. he'd be philly's #4. while on some dumpy team like the pirates, he'd certainly be a #1, but i sure as heck wouldnt bet my playoff series on him starting twice.

[bukie]

Who care what number you think he'd be? If he's the tenth best starter in baseball, he should be paid like it.

 

And #3 is patently absurd, unless you somehow think Zambrano's hitting overcomes the gap in pitching ability between the two.

[Guest]

Who care what number you think he'd be? If he's the tenth best starter in baseball, he should be paid like it.

 

And #3 is patently absurd, unless you somehow think Zambrano's hitting overcomes the gap in pitching ability between the two.

Obviously, the answer is how Dempster elevated his pitching when in the playoffs.