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[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

It has everything to do with why you're misguided in saying Beane "deserves a better job". He has been offered exactly that, and turned it down.

 

Personally, I am all-in on Theo, but Beane wouldn't be a disappointment. The notion that he's owed the opportunity to be a big-market GM just rings totally hollow though, given the above circumstances.

 

Dude what reason did he have to leave Oakland then? They were still a legit contender and the MoneyBall hype still hadnt died down. He was maybe 5-6 years into his career as A's GM. A whole lot of time has passed since then, and things have changed significantly.

 

He isnt owed [expletive]. OTOH hes one of the very few in this game who's resume, status, pedigree, and ideas fit perfectly.

 

I can already garauntee there will be no Theo. That's a boring story anyway...He's already got two rings for a "cursed" team and rebuilt the infrastructure of one of MLBs 5 most important franchises. How much more glory could one guy possibly need? Not that I'd be pissed if they hired him...just that I find it much, much easier to root for someone who's got [expletive] to prove...it's kind of a case of sloppy seconds if you ask me.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sloppy seconds???

[davearm2]

It has everything to do with why you're misguided in saying Beane "deserves a better job". He has been offered exactly that, and turned it down.

 

Personally, I am all-in on Theo, but Beane wouldn't be a disappointment. The notion that he's owed the opportunity to be a big-market GM just rings totally hollow though, given the above circumstances.

 

Dude what reason did he have to leave Oakland then? They were still a legit contender and the MoneyBall hype still hadnt died down. He was maybe 5-6 years into his career as A's GM. A whole lot of time has passed since then, and things have changed significantly.

Actually things haven't changed significantly. The A's are still the A's, and the Red Sox are still the Red Sox.

 

Beane had the same reason to leave Oakland then as he would have now -- to enjoy the financial resources and other advantages that come with running a big-market, big-spending club.

[Irishoshea21]

and rebuilt the infrastructure of one of MLBs 5 most important franchises. How much more glory could one guy possibly need?

 

Because if he won a world series in Chicago he'd be the best GM in the history of MLB.. and probably all of American sports. Ever.

 

I went to Boston and won it. I went to Chicago and won it. You can't top that.

[imb]

If there's one thing I learned during the fun last night, it's that i desperately want the Cubs to be relevant again.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Actually things haven't changed significantly. The A's are still the A's, and the Red Sox are still the Red Sox.

 

Yes, neither team moved or changed their names. Astute observation...OTOH Boston hired completely redid their FO philosophy to mimic the A's and hired an MBA GM to push that movement. The A's have since floundered in mediocrity as rich teams and then almost everyone else have started using similar strategies.

 

Beane had the same reason to leave Oakland then as he would have now -- to enjoy the financial resources and other advantages that come with running a big-market, big-spending club.

 

The difference being that since that half decade+ FOs operate more critically...with Beane's work in Oakland serving as a model...and exacerbated those reasons. You consider nothing about the timing of his saying no, which ignores history and eliminates context, which then makes saying no to the Red Sox seem like he did it for the hell of it. He didn't. He was still a young GM with plenty left to offer and do with Oakland, who remained a strong team for 2-4 years after that.

 

The Boston decision means nothing today.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Actually things haven't changed significantly. The A's are still the A's, and the Red Sox are still the Red Sox.

 

Yes, neither team moved or changed their names. Astute observation...OTOH Boston hired completely redid their FO philosophy to mimic the A's and hired an MBA GM to push that movement. The A's have since floundered in mediocrity as rich teams and then almost everyone else have started using similar strategies.

 

Beane had the same reason to leave Oakland then as he would have now -- to enjoy the financial resources and other advantages that come with running a big-market, big-spending club.

 

The difference being that since that half decade+ FOs operate more critically...with Beane's work in Oakland serving as a model...and exacerbated those reasons. You consider nothing about the timing of his saying no, which ignores history and eliminates context, which then makes saying no to the Red Sox seem like he did it for the hell of it. He didn't. He was still a young GM with plenty left to offer and do with Oakland, who remained a strong team for 2-4 years after that.

 

The Boston decision means nothing today.

[Elrhino]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

[XZero771679666304]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

 

 

That's because 95% of people who listen to and call into sports talk radio shows are morons. Particularly on the day after, when knee-jerk stupidity is at its highest level.

 

But hey, if they want to run Theo out of town, we'll take him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

 

Hopefully he knows when he's not wanted anymore, or too busy in his meeting with Mr. Rickets to know.

[javy knows my name]

If there's one thing I learned during the fun last night, it's that i desperately want the Cubs to be relevant again.

 

Absolutely. And the doc brought more nostalgia than pain/frustration for me. It was just so nice to be in it the whole way, regardless of how it ended.

 

Would much prefer another 2003 to a 2011.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

As far as Epstein...we give the guy the same job he's already done because he's already ended one curse for a big market club? This Cubs job is an opportunity for someone to become a baseball legend and we give the job to a baseball legend? A baseball legend who's Already done twice and is a derivative of someone who's still on the hunt for his first? How all around blah is that? The big story is that the GM who is already a legend in one of baseballs premier towns will do it in baseballs other rich but cursed franchise? That's downright boring in so many ways...and it's a complete insult to the many other men who can do this job.

 

That's ignoring that he'd walk in and we'd a point and go...now do what you did in Boston. Make the magic happen again. It's fine if the hire actually happens, nut personally it's one of the worst storylines Ricketts could pick for this franchise. You can is Boston as a model without hiring their main guy, who probably won't leave anyway. It's all around unrealistic...

 

Otherthings that changed since Beane said no:

 

Park denied

Move denied

 

Two more reasons it's realistic to believe he'd leave Oakland.

Edited September 29, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[Guest]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

[Clem Fandango]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7034308

 

In this video Olney says...

 

Now I'm told by friends of Theo Epstein that he would embrace the opportunity to go to the Cubs, whether or not the Red Sox allow that to happen remains to be seen

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't know if Theo Epstein is a baseball legend because he took a "cursed" team to a World Series win. By that logic, I guess Kenny Williams is a baseball legend too.

 

As for the story lines, were trying to win a World Series, or at least return to relevance, not make a movie.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't know if Theo Epstein is a baseball legend because he took a "cursed" team to a World Series win. By that logic, I guess Kenny Williams is a baseball legend too.

 

Nobody gives a [expletive] about the White Sox

[Elrhino]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

 

 

That's because 95% of people who listen to and call into sports talk radio shows are morons. Particularly on the day after, when knee-jerk stupidity is at its highest level.

 

Heh, yeah, they're definitely not like us winners who post on internet messageboards with our cool, even keeled analysis.

[SouthSideRyan]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

 

 

That's because 95% of people who listen to and call into sports talk radio shows are morons. Particularly on the day after, when knee-jerk stupidity is at its highest level.

 

Heh, yeah, they're definitely not like us winners who post on internet messageboards.

 

He didn't say we're cool, we're just not morons.

 

(I am cool though)

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I've been listening to Boston Sports Radio all day ... man, they are mercilessly ripping Theo. Must be at least a 20:1 ratio of callers wanting to run him out of town vs. those that want him to stay.

 

Sports fans. Were a bored and angry people.

[Guest]

Well, in theory Beane and Epstein are available to be wooed. Start wooing Mr. Ricketts, first one who says yes wins as do all Cub fans.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I don't know if Theo Epstein is a baseball legend because he took a "cursed" team to a World Series win. By that logic, I guess Kenny Williams is a baseball legend too.

 

Nobody gives a [expletive] about the White Sox

 

Rotfl @ putting them in the same tier. Williams doesn't have half the profile Epstein does, and Srsly no one cares about the White Sox.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I don't know if Theo Epstein is a baseball legend because he took a "cursed" team to a World Series win. By that logic, I guess Kenny Williams is a baseball legend too.

 

Nobody gives a [expletive] about the White Sox

 

You do, South Sider

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

 

Why shouldnt it play a factor? Its not as if Epstein is more qualified than Beane, and he's way less realistic in the first place.

[Guest]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

 

Why shouldnt it play a factor? Its not as if Epstein is more qualified than Beane, and he's way less realistic in the first place.

 

 

He's not?

[mul21]

Well we should definitely base the hiring of a new GM on what the best storyline would be.

 

Why shouldnt it play a factor? Its not as if Epstein is more qualified than Beane, and he's way less realistic in the first place.

 

Because nobody gives a [expletive] about a story line, they want a [expletive] world series you dolt.