Bears preseason week 2; Monday August 22nd at the Giants

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, I don't mind having him on the team. I figure whatever he can give us will be a bonus.

 

What the heck does that even mean? He's the starting WR in a pass happy offense, how in the hell is whatever he gives us a bonus? He has to produce.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree that there will be booing though. Chicago fans have a horrible history of singling out certain players to hate and most of the time that hate is unwarranted (Grossman, Bradley, Soriano, Cutler, etc.).

 

That's a really odd list of guys you are trying to claim have received unwarranted boos. I defended Grossman to the end, but the guy crapped the bed repeatedly. He stunk and almost all of the success they had was in spite of him. Bradley was horrible and an [expletive]. Soriano was just the wrong acquisition. He's done about as well as could be reasonably expected, it's just easier to boo the player than the idiot GM. And Cutler has carried this team of late.

[Soul]

Eh, I don't mind having him on the team. I figure whatever he can give us will be a bonus.

 

What the heck does that even mean? He's the starting WR in a pass happy offense, how in the hell is whatever he gives us a bonus? He has to produce.

 

It's very early. It means I don't expect him to remain in that position.

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, I don't mind having him on the team. I figure whatever he can give us will be a bonus.

 

What the heck does that even mean? He's the starting WR in a pass happy offense, how in the hell is whatever he gives us a bonus? He has to produce.

 

It's very early. It means I don't expect him to remain in that position.

 

That still doesn't make his production a bonus. He's not an undrafted free agent. If Williams sucks balls there's absolutely no way you can call booing him "unjustified". He's a veteran free agent paid money to catch balls. It's not the fans' fault if he sucks.

[Soul]

Now I know there's going to be lots of booing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Now I know there's going to be lots of booing.

 

Completely justifiable booing.

[tfarks]

I keep holding on to my irrational hope that Roy will have a good season. He's going to come out in this 3rd game and catch everything semi-close to him.

[Soul]

Well, there's always hope.

 

I was hoping he'd fade into more of a role type guy who could at least provide more of a jump ball threat, or maybe some tougher possession catches. But that he wouldn't be expected to be "the guy."

 

I don't think he's going to be able to do that.

[tfarks]

Well, there's always hope.

 

I was hoping he'd fade into more of a role type guy who could at least provide more of a jump ball threat, or maybe some tougher possession catches. But that he wouldn't be expected to be "the guy."

 

I don't think he's going to be able to do that.

 

If he would just stop dropping balls then I have to believe he's a better red zone threat than Devin Hester.

 

Btw. The red-zone offense is going to absolutely blow again. Hopefully Cutler doesn't throw as many picks and we get to witness the glory of Gould again and again.

[Banedon]

Roy Williams is a Mike Martz pick. Just like Manumaleuna and Todd Collins were...

 

I'm not super confident about him, to say the least.

[Soul]

I don't think he'll handle failure very well, either. If he starts dropping balls, he might not be able to recover confidence.

[UMFan83]

I don't think he'll handle failure very well, either. If he starts dropping balls, he might not be able to recover confidence.

 

Stuff the Bears should know before they decide between signing Roy Williams instead of about 10 other WRs on his level or better. He has the most drops in football over the last 4 seasons, so its not just some minor training camp issue that will go away. The guy has issues catching balls, and always will. If he does that, the Bears fans will be all over him and he'll probably lose confidence.

 

Hopefully I'm wrong, but its hard for me to see this ending well, especially because the coaches already seem at odds with him, as does the media.

[JonJayCutler]

That's what I mean. There will be a segment of the fan base who will expect to see peak Roy Williams, and if/when they don't get it, he'll be singled out. We've seen it happen in the past, it just feels like RW is the next in line for that kind of treatment, unfortunately.

 

Ah okay. I thought you meant Roy's expectations to come here to revive his career were unrealistic. Fans expectations are indeed unrealistic a majority of the time.

[JonJayCutler]

I agree that there will be booing though. Chicago fans have a horrible history of singling out certain players to hate and most of the time that hate is unwarranted (Grossman, Bradley, Soriano, Cutler, etc.).

 

That's a really odd list of guys you are trying to claim have received unwarranted boos. I defended Grossman to the end, but the guy crapped the bed repeatedly. He stunk and almost all of the success they had was in spite of him. Bradley was horrible and an [expletive]. Soriano was just the wrong acquisition. He's done about as well as could be reasonably expected, it's just easier to boo the player than the idiot GM. And Cutler has carried this team of late.

 

Since you mentioned "success" in regard to the Bears and Grossman I assume you're talking about 2006. I don't really understand when people make him out to be this worthless QB we had on a good team that year. Statistically he put up the best season by a Bears QB in over a decade. He turned in 7 games with a QB rating over 100 (more than Cutler last year) and did enough in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl, which we lost because of defense, not QB play. The problem is when he was bad he was the worst QB to ever play the game, but that doesn't mean he didn't help win a lot of games that year.

 

Bradley was doomed from the start. He was coming off a 1.000 OPS season in Texas while going to a team full of bitter fans who had just watched their 97-win team get destroyed in the NLDS. The pressure was on Bradley to put this team over the top, which we all know didn't happen.

 

Soriano has seemingly been booed for almost every mistake despite being a class act on and off the field, but I'll agree that most of that frustration is directed at Hendry for giving him such an absurd contract.

 

You made my point with the Cutler comment. Yet somehow he is more hated than Michael Vick. A lot of these haters, sadly, are Bears fans. Many will claim that the hate is justified because of the whole knee thing in the NFC title game, but that's a different discussion for a different day.

[jersey cubs fan]

You made my point with the Cutler comment..

 

But my point is your list was kind of ridiculous.

 

Grossman deserved boos. He sucked far too often. Calling him a great Bears QB is like referring to Hendry has good for a Cubs GM. So freaking what. He was bad. Grossman and Bradley deserved boos. Booing my own team is not my thing, but if you are going to do it, you do it to QBs who play as poorly as Grossman did as often as he did, and unproductive assholes like Bradley. Soriano has received more boos than he deserved, but he's also done enough bad, especially while looking clueless in the field, that every player is going to get boos in reaction.

 

Cutler is hated everywhere. I never understood it while he was in Denver, and I only sort of understand it now, but that is just a general sports fan reaction to Cutler. It has nothing to do with Chicago's supposed horribly history of booing the wrong guy.

[UMFan83]

Rex Grossman may have had more 100 QB rating games in 2006 than Jay had last year, but Rex also had 5 games where he had a QB rating under 40, when Jay has only had 4 of those in his entire career (about 4.5 seasons).

[JonJayCutler]

I never called Grossman a great Bears QB and I also made a point to recognize how horrible his bad games were. I was responding to the notion that Rex deserves no credit for the success the Bears had while he was QB. That is simply untrue.

[jersey cubs fan]

I never called Grossman a great Bears QB and I also made a point to recognize how horrible his bad games were. I was responding to the notion that Rex deserves no credit for the success the Bears had while he was QB. That is simply untrue.

 

You listed him as a guy who didn't deserve to be booed. And I said most of their success was in spite of him. The defense carried his butt to the Super Bowl and there is absolutely no possibly way to pretend otherwise.

[JonJayCutler]

I never called Grossman a great Bears QB and I also made a point to recognize how horrible his bad games were. I was responding to the notion that Rex deserves no credit for the success the Bears had while he was QB. That is simply untrue.

 

You listed him as a guy who didn't deserve to be booed. And I said most of their success was in spite of him. The defense carried his butt to the Super Bowl and there is absolutely no possibly way to pretend otherwise.

 

He didn't deserve to be booed to the extreme that he was. Fans were on his ass immediately after that first bad game against Arizona and didn't let up for the rest of the year. I agree that the defense contributed much more to the Super Bowl run, but I interpreted your comments to mean that they could have made the Super Bowl with any QB that season, something I refuse to believe. People tend to forget how many clutch throws Grossman made throughout the season, a couple of them game-winners.

 

My underlying point in all of this is that it's ridiculous most of the time when fans get in the mindset that they hate a player. Many times there's no going back and seemingly nothing that player can do to change opinions. It seems like it happens more in Chicago than other cities, but that's probably because I watch mostly Chicago sports.

[SpongeWorthy]

Grossman had his moments but he was stuck in that zone of suck where he was neither Mr. Game Manager or a guy who could consistently carry the team.

[UMFan83]

 

He didn't deserve to be booed to the extreme that he was. Fans were on his ass immediately after that first bad game against Arizona and didn't let up for the rest of the year.

 

That Arizona game was the worst quarterbacked game that I've ever seen in my life. It seriously was awful. Fans booed because they saw how awesome the team was and didn't want the QB [expletive] it up. And TBH I don't think they were booing him after that game. I seem to remember the prevailing thought was to chalk that one up as a bad game and move up. However, it certainly set the wheels in motion. It definitely got the media going, and their relentless attack on Grossman certainly contributed to the fans turning on him.

 

I don't get why you think a QB that was at the bottom of a lot of big QB stats didn't deserve to be booed. He was an ok quarterback that had his moments but for every "clutch throw" he had, he had a game where he completely lost a game for his team with a horrible performance.

[sneakypower]

I don't think he'll handle failure very well, either. If he starts dropping balls, he might not be able to recover confidence.

believe me, Roy Williams will never lack (false) confidence

 

unproductive [expletive] like Bradley

whoa there, jaydee

[USSoccer]

The fans and media turned on him after the Miami game.

[Banedon]

Insane Moron Draws Conclusion From NFL Preseason Game.

 

Basing his argument on an entirely meaningless preseason game between the Chicago Bears and the New York Giants, a deranged idiot came to a completely [expletive] stupid conclusion Tuesday about the whole 2011 NFL season, sources confirmed.

 

Although the schizophrenic clod would have been better off sticking his head up his [expletive] and searching there for more relevant analysis, the mumbling lump of [expletive] instead decreed the Bears had finally fixed their ineffectiveness in the red zone, apparently because some third- or fourth-string player managed to score a one-yard touchdown run with 30 seconds remaining against a bunch of substitutes on the Giants.

[Soul]

The fans and media turned on him after the Miami game.

 

Many have already turned on Jay, too.