2011 NBA Offseason

[NonProfitCow]

The dumbest part is that now Paul can't be traded at all. I don't see how it can be justified in any way. So the NBA owned Hornets get 66 games of a disgruntled player, and that's it.

[Banedon]

The dumbest part is that now Paul can't be traded at all. I don't see how it can be justified in any way. So the NBA owned Hornets get 66 games of a disgruntled player, and that's it.

 

It can be justified in the same way as any grumpy owner making dumb moves with his own team. In this case, the NBA happens to be the grumpy owner.

[Banedon]

Here's the email that Dan Gilbert sent to David Stern:

 

Commissioner,

 

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

 

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

 

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

 

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

 

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

 

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

 

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

 

Please advise….

 

Dan G.

[illiniguy]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

[Banedon]

The big problem was that it was allowed to get as far as it did. As long as the NBA owns the Hornets, any trade they make is an inherent conflict of interest.

[ctcf]

Best thing to come out of this: http://i.imgur.com/AE1wv.png

[Banedon]

Best thing to come out of this: http://i.imgur.com/AE1wv.png

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

you're going to be wishing this went through when chris paul ends up on the knicks

No I won't, I'm tired of the league doing everything it can to assist the Lakers.

 

Like voiding the trade?

[SouthSideRyan]

And what the hell Dwight? You don't like Chicago, but New Jersey is cool with you? Screw you. I don't understand why none of the stars want to play in Chicago with Derrick Rose.

 

Maybe they want the chance to shoot the ball.

[Banedon]

Brandon Roy will announce "medical retirement" from the Blazers.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/9/2623327/brandon-roy-medical-retirement-portland-trail-blazers

[SouthSideRyan]

Here's the email that Dan Gilbert sent to David Stern:

 

Was it in comic sans?

[bukie]

Chris Broussard just tweeted that Brandon Roy will be announcing medical retirement.

[jersey cubs fan]

Brandon Roy will announce "medical retirement" from the Blazers.

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/9/2623327/brandon-roy-medical-retirement-portland-trail-blazers

 

More like medical marijuana retirement

[Banedon]

Here's the email that Dan Gilbert sent to David Stern:

 

Was it in comic sans?

 

You were beaten to that joke, sir.

 

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/cavaliers-owner-emails-david-stern-to-block-chris-paul-trade-to-lakers/

[treebird]

And what the hell Dwight? You don't like Chicago, but New Jersey is cool with you? Screw you. I don't understand why none of the stars want to play in Chicago with Derrick Rose.

 

Maybe they want the chance to shoot the ball.

 

for howard, i was going to go with "concerns over public sentiment of the legitimacy of his statistics given the enormous quantity of offensive rebounds he had the chance to pursue."

[Cubswin11]

Dan Gilbert is a [expletive] clown and a child. I liked this excerpt from Simmons article this morning summing up how this debacle screws up a bunch of teams.

 

Just know that I'm a die-hard Celtics fan and die-hard Lakers hater … and even I am appalled. I hope Chris Paul sues. I hope the Rockets sue. I hope the Lakers sue. I hope Dell Demps resigns and makes a sex tape with a stripper wearing a David Stern Halloween mask. Whatever happens, the season has been irrevocably tainted — we just watched FIVE teams have their seasons screwed up by this debacle. Houston's three-year plan just went up in smoke; now the Rockets have to make up with their two best players. (Good luck with that.) The Lakers need to determine if their relationship with the notoriously sensitive Gasol and the even more notoriously sensitive Odom is salvageable; and if it's not, what then? The Hornets are just plain screwed. It's a basketball catastrophe for them. As for the Celtics, Pinocchio Ainge's ill-fated pursuit of Paul ruined the team's relationship with Rajon Rondo, only its best young player. Even the Knicks got screwed — supposedly they closed the deal with Tyson Chandler yesterday, never expecting Paul to become available this summer (and now they can't chase him).

 

The total tally: Five teams were screwed by one cowardly decision.

[Banedon]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/915689/CP-got-Stern_d_medium.gif

[bukie]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

[Banedon]

I wouldn't be surprised if the trade ended up going through in the next day or two.

[illiniguy]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

Why not? Everyone knows Howards not coming back.

[illiniguy]

you're going to be wishing this went through when chris paul ends up on the knicks

No I won't, I'm tired of the league doing everything it can to assist the Lakers.

 

Like voiding the trade?

Only to avoid an owner mutiny.

[Old Style]

Brandon Roy retiring.

[SpongeWorthy]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

 

Actually, yeah. That's why I think there was an uproar.

 

In a vacuum, the Paul trade arguably makes the Lakers worse. But if a Howard deal is contingent on it going down and the other owners believe that, they're gonna wanna kill the Paul deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

 

Actually, yeah. That's why I think there was an uproar.

 

In a vacuum, the Paul trade arguably makes the Lakers worse. But if a Howard deal is contingent on it going down and the other owners believe that, they're gonna wanna kill the Paul deal.

 

Why would a Howard deal be contingent on a Paul deal? If I'm LA and I could trade Bynum+picks for Howard, I would do that regardless of if the Paul deal went through. The only thing that could possibly make the two deals related is if Howard wouldn't sign an extension unless Paul was also there, and even if he's saying that I would think LA would take the risk anyway if that's all they had to give up.

[SpongeWorthy]

Of course Gilbert hated the trade, it was awful. The Lakers got the best player, help on salary, and to keep the guy needed to then go get Dwight Howard.

 

I don't see how it was a good trade at all for the Hornets. Every player they end up with is older than Paul and the draft picks they get won't be any good as the Lakers will have a great record.

Everyone knows Paul isn't coming back. Nobody is going to trade a better player for him, so of course Paul is going to be the best player in the trade. The Hornets were getting four players ranging from slightly above average to top quarter at their position, the Rockets were getting one of the best big men in basketball, and the Lakers weren't going to have enough assets left to get Howard anyway. You really think Orlando was going to accept just Bynum and whatever crap was left on the Lakers for Howard?

 

Actually, yeah. That's why I think there was an uproar.

 

In a vacuum, the Paul trade arguably makes the Lakers worse. But if a Howard deal is contingent on it going down and the other owners believe that, they're gonna wanna kill the Paul deal.

 

Why would a Howard deal be contingent on a Paul deal? If I'm LA and I could trade Bynum+picks for Howard, I would do that regardless of if the Paul deal went through. The only thing that could possibly make the two deals related is if Howard wouldn't sign an extension unless Paul was also there, and even if he's saying that I would think LA would take the risk anyway if that's all they had to give up.

 

I just don't think Kobe/CP3/Bynum + crap team is going to stir the owners into a frenzy and want them to kill a deal. The owners had to have believed that the Howard deal was next.

 

As for Howard, if you think you can get CP3 in LA, and you only want to go to LA (or NJ for some reason), why wouldn't you orchestrate that? From his perspective, it looked like it was going to work perfectly. That's why I think the Howard rumor about him pushing for a trade to NJ came out last night after the Paul deal was nixed. But who knows, the whole situation is bizarre.