College Basketball 2011-2012

[CubColtPacer]

Exile - Trey Lyles in the 2014 class is a power forward.

 

Is he? Or is he a tall wing type (a la Watford, but better)? I haven't seen him play, but if he's a perimiter type power forward, I still think IU needs more big guys.

 

Edit: Just to be clear, this is in no way meant to be negative to Lyles, who is evidently an oustanding player that any team would love to have.

 

He's got some good post moves in this video (with a few drives and a couple outside shots sprinkled in-the sound doesn't add anything to the video). I have no idea if he'll be able to do that against college players but he could still grow a little bit as well.

 

http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/01/08/video-2014-indianapolis-tech-forward-trey-lyles/

[Exile on Waveland]

Good to see you guys have no issue with Crean's strategy of leaving kids out in the cold.

 

I think it's quite the opposite (you must have conveniently missed my "hyperactively recruiting" and "illogical" posts, somehow). I have a huge problem with cutting players or leaving them out in the cold; I posted something similar a couple years back about not wanting the immortal Tijan Jobe to leave. However, for all the digs such as "spring Creaning lolz" which are seemingly so prevelant, IU has had all of three players transfers during Crean's three-year tenure. One transfer per year, which is right at the average nation-wide. And, considering IU's situation when Crean took over, it's surprising that number isn't much higher. Transfers happen. We'll see what happens in the future (i.e., coming weeks), but the players most fans have wanted gone are still around.

[Exile on Waveland]

Exile - Trey Lyles in the 2014 class is a power forward.

 

Is he? Or is he a tall wing type (a la Watford, but better)? I haven't seen him play, but if he's a perimiter type power forward, I still think IU needs more big guys.

 

Edit: Just to be clear, this is in no way meant to be negative to Lyles, who is evidently an oustanding player that any team would love to have.

 

He's got some good post moves in this video (with a few drives and a couple outside shots sprinkled in-the sound doesn't add anything to the video). I have no idea if he'll be able to do that against college players but he could still grow a little bit as well.

 

http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/01/08/video-2014-indianapolis-tech-forward-trey-lyles/

 

Good to see him inside that much. Anyone that puts up 18 points and 12 rebounds in Indianapolis as a freshman can play, no doubt. I just have completely unfounded concerns that, with his diverse skill set, there may be a bit of "have to show the skills to the NBA scouts" thing going on (which is always a euphemism for hanging out on the perimeter and hoisting jumpers and eschewing most/all post play).

[SouthSideRyan]

Those #s are really misleading. While there have been 3 completed seasons, there have only been 2 completed off-seasons (when transfers come) Crean has already locked in 2 more transfers with this commitment leaving him at 5.

 

And the Indiana situation was far from the standard college program. There were 7 scholarship players on the team the first season, leaving less possibilities of transfers due to the lack of players period as well as lack of playing time (what I'd imagine to be the #1 reason behind transfers) not being an issue.

 

IU had a total of 13 scholarship players in the first 2 seasons Crean has been there. 3 of them came to Indiana with 2 years of eligibility (Dumes, Jobe, Rivers) 3 out of 10 four-year players have left Indiana since Crean's started, and at some point after this season the numbers for his first 3 years will move to 5 out of 12 which is far from average.

 

And that's not even counting David Williams.

[Exile on Waveland]

Those #s are really misleading. While there have been 3 completed seasons, there have only been 2 completed off-seasons (when transfers come) Crean has already locked in 2 more transfers with this commitment leaving him at 5.

 

And the Indiana situation was far from the standard college program. There were 7 scholarship players on the team the first season, leaving less possibilities of transfers due to the lack of players period as well as lack of playing time (what I'd imagine to be the #1 reason behind transfers) not being an issue.

 

IU had a total of 13 scholarship players in the first 2 seasons Crean has been there. 3 of them came to Indiana with 2 years of eligibility (Dumes, Jobe, Rivers) 3 out of 10 four-year players have left Indiana since Crean's started, and at some point after this season the numbers for his first 3 years will move to 5 out of 12 which is far from average.

 

And that's not even counting David Williams.

 

OK, fine. Then Crean is averaging 1.5 departures per offseason at IU. And you think that is an egregious amount? It's above average, sure, but by no means out of the ordinary.

 

As to the extenuating circumstances, I think they cut the opposite way just as much, if not more. Crean/IU was in a position that they had to take anyone, from anywhere, that could play a bit and not be a hooligan off the court. Simply to fill out the roster, Crean had to take kids he might not have otherwise. It's not surprising a few of those have, and will, leave. Crean also inherited recruits from the previous disastrous regime, which is always a recipe for transfers (and may still be).

 

IU had less players to transfer, true, but there is no evidence yet of players being forced out. Malik Story left to be closer to home (a prevelant reason for transferring, I think). Nick Williams left because, well, I'm not real sure (I was sad to see him go, Crean recruited him at Marquette and I cannot imagine this was a force-out situation based on basketball ability). Bawa Muniru left because he couldn't play (in other words, playing time). Further, when these players left none of the 2012, 2013, 2014 or Zeller had committed. IU was trailing in the recruitment in each case and no scholarship crunch existed. Only Muniru would have even played with any of the 2012 recruits (when the scholarship crunch first will begin). Those players left before any scholarship issues existed.

 

As things currently stand, Abell's commitment does not necessarily require two transfers. If, as many believe, Peter Jurkin decides to attend prep school for a year, then only one transfer is necessary prior to the 2012-13 season. Otherwise, it does require two transfers -- but not two transfers this year, two transfer over the next two years (again, normal attrition rate). Things do get murkier if more players are signed (and I suspect they will).

 

That's not to say I'm necessarily fond of Crean's "never stop recruiting" philosophy. I'm quite dubious about Abell's commitment, and not because of the player, because of the scholarships. But the worst of what people claim has happened, simply hasn't.

[Sosa21MVP]

Good to see you guys have no issue with Crean's strategy of leaving kids out in the cold.

 

I have quite an issue with Crean cutting players. So far though that hasn't happened. The player who everybody wanted gone each year has never left. If Capiobianco is asked to leave I'll have quite a bit of trouble with it. If Sheehey is planning to transfer to get more playing time in his junior/senior year (he'd get plenty of it this year) I'd have no problem with it.

 

Lead pipes + plausible deniability ftw!

[Sosa21MVP]

The one thing about Crean though as much as I like the amount of talent he has lined up for the near future I am still not sold on his coaching ability so at times I think it is kind of amusing to see the fan base getting so giddy about the recruiting situation while at the same time kind of glossing over some of the bad things we've seen the last couple years. I mean I know our roster this past season wasn't perfect or anything but I still felt like we could have played better basketball as a team. Sub patterns, the lack of development of our bigs, lack of team defense, etc. Maybe talent will cure all of those issues but I'm still a bit skeptical. To read our message boards like the Scout board you would think the moment the 2012 class hits the floor we are going to win the Big Ten and get back to the Final Four all at once. Not very likely. :P

[SeldomSeen]

Exile - Trey Lyles in the 2014 class is a power forward.

 

Is he? Or is he a tall wing type (a la Watford, but better)? I haven't seen him play, but if he's a perimiter type power forward, I still think IU needs more big guys.

 

Edit: Just to be clear, this is in no way meant to be negative to Lyles, who is evidently an oustanding player that any team would love to have.

 

He's got some good post moves in this video (with a few drives and a couple outside shots sprinkled in-the sound doesn't add anything to the video). I have no idea if he'll be able to do that against college players but he could still grow a little bit as well.

 

http://www.insidethehall.com/2011/01/08/video-2014-indianapolis-tech-forward-trey-lyles/

 

Good to see him inside that much. Anyone that puts up 18 points and 12 rebounds in Indianapolis as a freshman can play, no doubt. I just have completely unfounded concerns that, with his diverse skill set, there may be a bit of "have to show the skills to the NBA scouts" thing going on (which is always a euphemism for hanging out on the perimeter and hoisting jumpers and eschewing most/all post play).

Trey is a really big 3 right now. I don't see him ever being a prototypical 4, but much more like a Danny Manning- type player. That's not to say he'll be Manning, of course, but he is very skilled with the ball for someone his size. He's also not super athletic which is also reminiscent of DM.

[Smack]

2012 PG Ronnie Johnson set to decided between Illinois and Purdue on Monday. If he picks Purdue I guess that means someone is gone. Painter was hinting in a recent article that someone might leave because of playing time. I hope he isn't Creaning people. Especially considering he's supposedly still recruiting Hammons and Harris for 12.

[Sosa21MVP]

2012 PG Ronnie Johnson set to decided between Illinois and Purdue on Monday. If he picks Purdue I guess that means someone is gone. Painter was hinting in a recent article that someone might leave because of playing time. I hope he isn't Creaning people. Especially considering he's supposedly still recruiting Hammons and Harris for 12.

 

Sounds like somebody is gonna get Painted! :P

[Smack]

2012 PG Ronnie Johnson set to decided between Illinois and Purdue on Monday. If he picks Purdue I guess that means someone is gone. Painter was hinting in a recent article that someone might leave because of playing time. I hope he isn't Creaning people. Especially considering he's supposedly still recruiting Hammons and Harris for 12.

 

Sounds like somebody is gonna get Painted! :P

 

I heard IU is going to field two teams in 2012. They're already at 16 players. Only a few more to go.

[hawkeyecub]

So what's the actual scholarship situation for next year at Illinois and Indiana? Percy Gibson, a former Dayton signee is looking around and is supposedly down to Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Dayton. Edited May 2, 2011 by hawkeyecub

[SouthSideRyan]

Alright I've skimmed So what's the actual scholarship situation for next year at Illinois and Indiana? Percy Gibson, a former Dayton signee is looking around and is supposedly down to Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Dayton.

 

Illinois has 1 opening for 2011, 1 for 2012. Indiana has 23 scholarships committed for 2012 so they can only take 2 more kids.

[hawkeyecub]

Alright I've skimmed So what's the actual scholarship situation for next year at Illinois and Indiana? Percy Gibson, a former Dayton signee is looking around and is supposedly down to Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Dayton.

 

Illinois has 1 opening for 2011, 1 for 2012. Indiana has 23 scholarships committed for 2012 so they can only take 2 more kids.

 

LOL

 

Have you heard anything about this Gibson cat and Illinois? Iowa has one left but Fran is leaning towards banking it for 2012 unless it's a clear upgrade.

[SouthSideRyan]

Alright I've skimmed So what's the actual scholarship situation for next year at Illinois and Indiana? Percy Gibson, a former Dayton signee is looking around and is supposedly down to Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and Dayton.

 

Illinois has 1 opening for 2011, 1 for 2012. Indiana has 23 scholarships committed for 2012 so they can only take 2 more kids.

 

LOL

 

Have you heard anything about this Gibson cat and Illinois? Iowa has one left but Fran is leaning towards banking it for 2012 unless it's a clear upgrade.

 

Heard him mentioned a few weeks ago, no smoke around him recently, I'm guessing he's yours or Dayton's

[Vanilla Ice]

Rodney Purvis decommits from Louisville

[Butterscup1679666578]

Rodney Purvis decommits from Louisville

 

Come onnnnn Mizzou

[Smack]

2012 PG Ronnie Johnson commits to Purdue. I guess this was a done deal for a while considering his two big leans were Purdue (his brother will be a Junior when Ronnie arrives) and Butler. Then Purdue hired his lead recruiter from Butler (Micah Shrewsberry) and Butler got a seperate 2012 PG commit. I'm not sure if he was ever serious about Illinois but he did visit and got an offer.

 

Color me confused. We're now over-commited by 1 in 2012 and 2013. Somebody has to be leaving - or not coming in the first place. I've heard rumors that Jay Simpson may have trouble qualifying because of academics. Even if that's true - I would think a big would be replaced with a big. Maybe Kyle Molock isn't coming now? He's supposed to be a pure PG and is already a 2012 commit.

 

People keep saying that Bade or Hart will go but neither of them leaving helps the scholarship situation in 2013. The only one that would help is Marcius - and he's another big. I don't know. I guess we'll find out more in the coming weeks as the semester ends.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Darius Morris isn't coming back

[imb]

Sad face

 

Gus Johnson leaves CBS

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/richard_deitsch/05/05/gusjohnson.cbs/index.html

[NCCubFan]

Gary Williams is retiring as Maryland coach.

[Old Style]

Sad face

 

Gus Johnson leaves CBS

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/richard_deitsch/05/05/gusjohnson.cbs/index.html

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hawkeyecub]

I really hope Brey doesn't end up with that Maryland job.

[SouthSideRyan]

Paul Klee mentioned the other day the B10/ACC Challenge will play a full 12 games.

 

The Big Ten home teams: Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Purdue. The Big Ten road teams: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Northwestern, Penn State, Wisconsin

 

Best guess has Duke @ OSU and Wisconsin @ UNC

 

Both conferences are a mess next season after the top 1 or 2, so I have no clue how they'll break this down.

[Andy]

I really hope Brey doesn't end up with that Maryland job.

Me too. I doubt he will - rumor is he's working on an extension with ND and was before this happened.