Would you make this deal?

[Post Count Padder]

If anyone would have the scoop on a potential Cubs/Rangers deal, it'd be a writer from Boston.

He'd kind of like Joel Sherman of the NY Post. He technically covers the local team but does national stuff too.

[daske17]

It's times like these when I miss HoopsCubs.

[dew1679666265]

It's times like these when I miss HoopsCubs.

 

I miss HoopsCubs most of the time. I've seen him post some on Bruce's blog, though.

[Derwood]

It's times like these when I miss HoopsCubs.

 

I miss HoopsCubs most of the time. I've seen him post some on Bruce's blog, though.

 

Meph drove him away. Meph was the worst

[dew1679666265]

It's times like these when I miss HoopsCubs.

 

I miss HoopsCubs most of the time. I've seen him post some on Bruce's blog, though.

 

Meph drove him away. Meph was the worst

 

Yeah, I remember that whole saga. I wish Hoops would come back.

[CubsWin]

Interesting tidbit from Ken Rosenthal. Michael Young has added the Cubs and Phillies to the list of 8 teams he would accept a trade to.

 

While Young has requested a trade, he is willing to be moved to only 10 teams, multiple sources said — the eight that can acquire him without his permission, plus the Philadelphia Phillies and Chicago Cubs, who are on his no-trade list.

 

Link

[Rob]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

[davearm2]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

[CubsWin]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Okay. I personally wouldn't go that far.

 

He's a good fit for the Cubs for several reasons just not at his current price. The latest reports say the Cubs are interested, but only if the Rangers eat some salary. How much is not yet clear. However, I see little reason why he would need to accept a platoon at 2B.

 

His offensive production at 2B would be a vast upgrade and improve the Cubs chances of winning this year. I like Jeff Baker, but Young's bat is clearly better. And whereas DeWitt still has some projectability left at age 25, he pretty much is what he is.

 

Young's positional versatility fits what the Cubs need and will need in the next couple years. He provides cover for Ramirez at 3B if ARam gets injured, which he is apt to do, or underperforms again. If Ramirez does under perform, the Cubs wouldn't have to exercise their club option on him and would have leverage in negotiations to bring ARam back at a lesser price if they chose to bring him back at all. If Vitters isn't ready after this season and the Cubs don't bring back ARam, the team would be able to move Young to 3B and work Vitters in slowly if he shows he's ready down the line.

 

If/Once Vitters shows he's ready, they wouldn't lose Young's production. On the days that Vitters plays, Young slides over to 2B. With other 3B who don't have Young's versatility, it would be an either/or proposition to get Vitters playing time. Plus, the Cubs would have better than average offensive production at 2B to take pressure off of the rookie having to put up typical 3B numbers right away.

 

Finally, if ARam does perform well and the Cubs pick up their club option on him for 2012, they have leverage in FA negotiations with any 1B out there. If someone's price becomes just too high, Young can slide over to 1B.

 

So his bat and his versatility fill many needs the Cubs have and open up several possibilities down the road. The questions I need answered are: how bad is he defensively? How much will the Rangers eat in salary? How much and how quickly will Young's offensive abilities decline? And what in the way of personnel would the Cubs have to give up to get him?

[CubsWin]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

Well, that's why the Cubs are asking for money in return.

 

His away splits for last season were pretty bad. But just one year earlier they weren't. And for his career they're not. Was last year a harbinger or an aberration?

[Keener98]

Why do we want to trade for a guy who's numbers on the road for his career aren't much better than Blake Dewitt, makes a lot of money, and is almost 10 years older than Blake Dewitt?

 

I dont see the point....At All

[Keener98]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

Well, that's why the Cubs are asking for money in return.

 

His away splits for last season were pretty bad. But just one year earlier they weren't. And for his career they're not. Was last year a harbinger or an aberration?

 

Michael Young Career Road splits: .279 .322 .411 .733OPS

Blake Dewitt Career stats: .259 .335 .378 .713 OPS

 

Young has definitely had a better career than Dewitt so far, and probably will when its all said and done. But trading anything for Young at this point, at his age, cost, and him leaving Arlington, makes little sense to me.

 

Dewitt is 10 years younger and has a chance at getting better, while Young is on the downside of his career.

[CubsWin]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

Well, that's why the Cubs are asking for money in return.

 

His away splits for last season were pretty bad. But just one year earlier they weren't. And for his career they're not. Was last year a harbinger or an aberration?

 

Michael Young Career Road splits: .279 .322 .411 .733OPS

Blake Dewitt Career stats: .259 .335 .378 .713 OPS

 

Young has definitely had a better career than Dewitt so far, and probably will when its all said and done. But trading anything for Young at this point, at his age, cost, and him leaving Arlington, makes little sense to me.

 

Dewitt is 10 years younger and has a chance at getting better, while Young is on the downside of his career.

Oops, I thought I was looking at his career splits, but I must have been looking at something else.

 

Never mind. Carry on. Nothing to see here.

[Splendid Splinter]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

 

 

What would the trade offer has to be in order to be worth it?

 

Would something like this do it???

 

Carlos Silva (Rangers pay all 11.5 mil this year plus the 2 mil buyout next year) + Baker (or DeWitt since either one would be expendable with Young coming, but rather trade Baker) + junk prospect(s)

 

for

 

Michael Young + intriguing prospect(s) (not sure what type exactly, but someone like Hicks from the Gorz trade for example maybe?... basically what Cubs always get it seems like in their trades) + $20 mil??? (my thinking is Young has 48 mil owed still minus Silva's 11.5 mil (since Cubs are paying that anyway even with Seattle's 5.5 mil) equals 36.5 mil left... then minus 20 mil from Rangers is 16.5 mil Cubs still would have to pay Young for the next 3 seasons...) That 20 mil can be split something like 4.5/7.5/8 where Cubs aren't paying any extra this year (4.5 mil from Rangers + 5.5 mil from Mariners + 6 mil that Cubs were paying anyway if it was Silva or Young) then paying Young 8.5 and 8 mil the next 2 years or it can be like 10 mil each the next 2 years where Cubs has to pay an extra 4.5 mil this year, but would only pay 6 mil each the next 2 years... I'm not sure if you will be able to get more than 20 mil or even get that much, but I think you can't ask for anything less than that really (8 mil a year is the max I would pay Young, but rather it be like 4-6 mil a year). Cubs paying 16.5 mil for 3 years for a guy like Young isn't that bad IMO (well actually it would be 22.5 mil cuz they're paying 6 mil this year to Silva that would go to Young). That's basically 7.5 mil a year for Young. I think I got all of this right.

 

Is that enough or would you want more money or a better prospect or player like O'Day or Chris Davis instead of a prospect??? Of course the trade wouldn't be as simple as that, but just an idea... I agree with you guys that Rangers gonna have to do a lot in order for me to take him...

[Backtobanks]

Things would have to play out just about perfectly for me to be okay with picking him up. We'd have to give up almost nothing, the Rangers would have to pay the vast majority of his salary, and he'd have to be okay with playing in a capacity as the short side of the 2B platoon and as backup at 1B and 3B.

 

Otherwise, I just don't see it as being worth it.

Seriously.

 

We grumble about Soriano's contract, but Young's is godawful as well (albeit with one fewer years remaining). Outside of Arlington he's probably about league average as a SS or 2B, and below average as a 3B.

 

 

What would the trade offer has to be in order to be worth it?

 

Would something like this do it???

 

Carlos Silva (Rangers pay all 11.5 mil this year plus the 2 mil buyout next year) + Baker (or DeWitt since either one would be expendable with Young coming, but rather trade Baker) + junk prospect(s)

 

for

 

Michael Young + intriguing prospect(s) (not sure what type exactly, but someone like Hicks from the Gorz trade for example maybe?... basically what Cubs always get it seems like in their trades) + $20 mil??? (my thinking is Young has 48 mil owed still minus Silva's 11.5 mil (since Cubs are paying that anyway even with Seattle's 5.5 mil) equals 36.5 mil left... then minus 20 mil from Rangers is 16.5 mil Cubs still would have to pay Young for the next 3 seasons...) That 20 mil can be split something like 4.5/7.5/8 where Cubs aren't paying any extra this year (4.5 mil from Rangers + 5.5 mil from Mariners + 6 mil that Cubs were paying anyway if it was Silva or Young) then paying Young 8.5 and 8 mil the next 2 years or it can be like 10 mil each the next 2 years where Cubs has to pay an extra 4.5 mil this year, but would only pay 6 mil each the next 2 years... I'm not sure if you will be able to get more than 20 mil or even get that much, but I think you can't ask for anything less than that really (8 mil a year is the max I would pay Young, but rather it be like 4-6 mil a year). Cubs paying 16.5 mil for 3 years for a guy like Young isn't that bad IMO (well actually it would be 22.5 mil cuz they're paying 6 mil this year to Silva that would go to Young). That's basically 7.5 mil a year for Young. I think I got all of this right.

 

Is that enough or would you want more money or a better prospect or player like O'Day or Chris Davis instead of a prospect??? Of course the trade wouldn't be as simple as that, but just an idea... I agree with you guys that Rangers gonna have to do a lot in order for me to take him...

 

I was thinking about this kind of deal, but it certainly wouldn't match the rumors about Blanton + Polanco for Young.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

No to the first one, unless the Rangers add something else to it. Yes to the second. Getting rid of Silva and Grabow would be nice. And I feel like the Rangers would be way more inclined to do the second one.

 

Silva and Grabow in Arlington? Yikes.

 

Young is a player that would definitely be huge in the Cubs lineup, assuming he would be able to make the transiton to 2nd. However, hes 34 years old and making 16 mil each of the next 3 years. Maybe if we sent them Kosuke, DeWitt, and one of Randy Wells/Jay Jackson/Chris Carpenter/Casey Coleman it would work as long as they thre in a bit of cash. I know theres a lot of Kosuke love, but whether NSBB likes it or not, Colvins going to be given every opportunity to win the full time RF job from him, so we may as well get something for Kosuke.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

Make them take Samardjiza as well.

[Backtobanks]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

No to the first one, unless the Rangers add something else to it. Yes to the second. Getting rid of Silva and Grabow would be nice. And I feel like the Rangers would be way more inclined to do the second one.

 

Silva and Grabow in Arlington? Yikes.

 

Young is a player that would definitely be huge in the Cubs lineup, assuming he would be able to make the transiton to 2nd. However, hes 34 years old and making 16 mil each of the next 3 years. Maybe if we sent them Kosuke, DeWitt, and one of Randy Wells/Jay Jackson/Chris Carpenter/Casey Coleman it would work as long as they thre in a bit of cash. I know theres a lot of Kosuke love, but whether NSBB likes it or not, Colvins going to be given every opportunity to win the full time RF job from him, so we may as well get something for Kosuke.

 

Giving up Fukudome and a young pitcher for Young is way too much. The bottom line is that the Cubs aren't really a fit unless the Rangers are going to eat a lot of salary.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

No to the first one, unless the Rangers add something else to it. Yes to the second. Getting rid of Silva and Grabow would be nice. And I feel like the Rangers would be way more inclined to do the second one.

 

Silva and Grabow in Arlington? Yikes.

 

Young is a player that would definitely be huge in the Cubs lineup, assuming he would be able to make the transiton to 2nd. However, hes 34 years old and making 16 mil each of the next 3 years. Maybe if we sent them Kosuke, DeWitt, and one of Randy Wells/Jay Jackson/Chris Carpenter/Casey Coleman it would work as long as they thre in a bit of cash. I know theres a lot of Kosuke love, but whether NSBB likes it or not, Colvins going to be given every opportunity to win the full time RF job from him, so we may as well get something for Kosuke.

 

Giving up Fukudome and a young pitcher for Young is way too much. The bottom line is that the Cubs aren't really a fit unless the Rangers are going to eat a lot of salary.

 

Value is relative. Fukudome is a very good, underrated player, but how valuable is he if hes making 13 mil to be a 4th outfielder unless the golden boy falls flat on his face? On one hand I like Fukudome, but on the other, Im also for giving Colvin the chance to prove himself, especially since no matter what, Fukudomes likely gone next year, and he may as well audition. Middle infielders who can regularly OPS in the .800s arent easy to come by, and if Young can switch to 2nd, hed be very valuable. The only other thing Id like Texas to throw in would be past of Youngs salary.

[Keener98]

Byrd's contract is totally tradeable.

 

I've thought about this one a little bit and I've come up with 2 deals I'd do, to get Young.(NTC's get waived both ways here)

 

I'd send Soriano, DeWitt, and Dolis to the Rangers for Young. No monies exchanged other than Cubs send Rangers 8 mill in last year of Soriano's deal.

 

Other deal I'd do is Byrd, Silva, and Grabow for Young. 4 mill coming to the Cubs in 2012. More of an NBA type bad contract type deal in a way. Rangers have no use for Silva or Grabow, but maybe they want out of Young so bad, they'd look at them as potential depth for a season.

 

Do the Rangers do either of these? I wouldn't, because I'd just keep Young personally and make him understand he's just a part of a team and he needs to do what's best for everyone involved. But, who knows? They may think they have to get rid of him and maybe other teams don't want to take on as much of his contract as what we're offering in this.

 

If the Rangers have no interest in either of these scenarios, then I have no interest in Young, if I'm the Cubs.

No to the first one, unless the Rangers add something else to it. Yes to the second. Getting rid of Silva and Grabow would be nice. And I feel like the Rangers would be way more inclined to do the second one.

 

Silva and Grabow in Arlington? Yikes.

 

Young is a player that would definitely be huge in the Cubs lineup, assuming he would be able to make the transiton to 2nd. However, hes 34 years old and making 16 mil each of the next 3 years. Maybe if we sent them Kosuke, DeWitt, and one of Randy Wells/Jay Jackson/Chris Carpenter/Casey Coleman it would work as long as they thre in a bit of cash. I know theres a lot of Kosuke love, but whether NSBB likes it or not, Colvins going to be given every opportunity to win the full time RF job from him, so we may as well get something for Kosuke.

 

Why? Hes a career 733OPS away from Arlington. His stats are heavily inflated by his home park. Dewitt is a career 713OPS and is 10 years younger. I fail to see how Young "would be huge in the Cubs lineup".

[Sammy Sofa]

Maybe he's literally a really, really big guy. Somehow.

 

Who knows how WSR works.

[CUBZ99]

Michael Young Career Road splits: .279 .322 .411 .733OPS

Blake Dewitt Career stats: .259 .335 .378 .713 OPS

 

Young has definitely had a better career than Dewitt so far, and probably will when its all said and done. But trading anything for Young at this point, at his age, cost, and him leaving Arlington, makes little sense to me.

 

Dewitt is 10 years younger and has a chance at getting better, while Young is on the downside of his career.

 

I agree that Hendry shouldn't go after Young, but DeWitt is playing himself out of any job with the Cubs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Barney and Ojeda make the club out of ST and DeWitt being sent to AAA (if he has any options left). His defense is terrible, and if he is not going to hit he really has no value.

[KingCubsFan]

 

Why? Hes a career 733OPS away from Arlington. His stats are heavily inflated by his home park. Dewitt is a career 713OPS and is 10 years younger. I fail to see how Young "would be huge in the Cubs lineup".

Not saying Young would be a good pickup, but it's a little simplistic to look at Young's OPS away from Arlington and think that's how he'll produce. Holliday always had some ridiculous splits with Coors. And anecdotally, it seems like most players (not named Adrian Gonzalez) tend to do worse away from their home park.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Michael Young Career Road splits: .279 .322 .411 .733OPS

Blake Dewitt Career stats: .259 .335 .378 .713 OPS

 

Young has definitely had a better career than Dewitt so far, and probably will when its all said and done. But trading anything for Young at this point, at his age, cost, and him leaving Arlington, makes little sense to me.

 

Dewitt is 10 years younger and has a chance at getting better, while Young is on the downside of his career.

 

I agree that Hendry shouldn't go after Young, but DeWitt is playing himself out of any job with the Cubs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Barney and Ojeda make the club out of ST and DeWitt being sent to AAA (if he has any options left). His defense is terrible, and if he is not going to hit he really has no value.

 

Id be very surprised, maybe a bit sickened to see that. At least the 25 yearold DeWitt has the potential, and with the 36 year old, Ojeda, what you see is what you get, a gritty, journeyman utility player who will be lucky to OPS in the mid .600s. I truely hope that the desire to steel more bases doesnt translate to we want to be grittier and keep Ojeda, Fernando Perez, and Koyie Hill over the guys who could potentially produce.

[Keener98]

 

Why? Hes a career 733OPS away from Arlington. His stats are heavily inflated by his home park. Dewitt is a career 713OPS and is 10 years younger. I fail to see how Young "would be huge in the Cubs lineup".

Not saying Young would be a good pickup, but it's a little simplistic to look at Young's OPS away from Arlington and think that's how he'll produce. Holliday always had some ridiculous splits with Coors. And anecdotally, it seems like most players (not named Adrian Gonzalez) tend to do worse away from their home park.

 

You are right, most players do usually have better home numbers than away numbers. But 859OPS at home compared to a 733OPS on the road is a very sizable difference, and has to heavily influence opinions of Young. Add in the fact hes almost 35 and there are red flags everywhere about Young. Id rather take my chances with a platoon of Baker/Dewitt or Baker/whoever then take on Young.