2011 College Football Offseason

[SouthSideRyan]

They should just get rid of the rules about players selling their stuff. Make it like the Olympics, where the athletes aren't given a paycheck, but are free to make money off of their image (within logical limits).

 

What are the "logical limits?" Unless all memorabilia sales have to go through a pre-approved middle man, then you have tattoo artists valuing Pryor's gold pants at 300K and the backup kicker's at 10 bucks. If you go through an NCAA-approved middle man, how is that any different than giving them a paycheck?

[EhDubya]

Or, they should all just follow the rules.

 

Look, I was broke in college too. But then after a few years, I graduated and used my diploma to get a job that paid me money. Go figure. I still have a crap-ton of student loans though, Pryor and his teammates won't. They get to play a game they (presumably) love, enjoy fame and glory and hot 18-21 year old women and a great opportunity to one day make a lot of money professionally. If the NFL doesn't work out, there is a huge network of alumni who will no doubt get them a nice enough paying job, that is, if they aren't complete screwups.

 

I also worked very hard in high school to get accepted to a good school. Athletes and their 2.0 GPAs get admitted right away and handed sweet class schedules usually reserved for upperclassmen.

 

I have no sympathy for any athlete who complains they aren't compensated enough.

Edited June 1, 2011 by EhDubya

[Derwood]

They should just get rid of the rules about players selling their stuff. Make it like the Olympics, where the athletes aren't given a paycheck, but are free to make money off of their image (within logical limits).

 

What are the "logical limits?" Unless all memorabilia sales have to go through a pre-approved middle man, then you have tattoo artists valuing Pryor's gold pants at 300K and the backup kicker's at 10 bucks. If you go through an NCAA-approved middle man, how is that any different than giving them a paycheck?

 

It simply wouldn't be equitable, but that's life. In the Olympics, Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps are worth way more than their Polish counterparts. Pryor is worth more than the backup punter. As long as the university isn't paying them based on that, so be it. Why shouldn't Pryor be allowed to sell his image?

[EhDubya]

They should just get rid of the rules about players selling their stuff. Make it like the Olympics, where the athletes aren't given a paycheck, but are free to make money off of their image (within logical limits).

 

What are the "logical limits?" Unless all memorabilia sales have to go through a pre-approved middle man, then you have tattoo artists valuing Pryor's gold pants at 300K and the backup kicker's at 10 bucks. If you go through an NCAA-approved middle man, how is that any different than giving them a paycheck?

 

It simply wouldn't be equitable, but that's life. In the Olympics, Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps are worth way more than their Polish counterparts. Pryor is worth more than the backup punter. As long as the university isn't paying them based on that, so be it. Why shouldn't Pryor be allowed to sell his image?

 

But in the Olympics, the polish dude isn't free to compete for USA because they offer more lucrative deals.

[Guest]

Or, they should all just follow the rules.

 

Look, I was broke in college too. But then after a few years, I graduated and used my diploma to get a job that paid me money. Go figure. I still have a crap-ton of student loans though, Pryor and his teammates won't. They get to play a game they (presumably) love, enjoy fame and glory and hot 18-21 year old women and a great opportunity to one day make a lot of money professionally. If the NFL doesn't work out, there is a huge network of alumni who will no doubt get them a nice enough paying job, that is, if they aren't complete screwups.

 

I also worked very hard in high school to get accepted to a good school. Athletes and their 2.0 GPAs get admitted right away and handed sweet class schedules usually reserved for upperclassmen.

 

I have no sympathy for any athlete who complains they aren't compensated enough.

 

And the football players are making the school tons of money while you, well, aren't.

[EhDubya]

Collectively, yes. But the DB on full scholarship who never sees the field doesn't. So what should he be paid?

 

Or are only the good players going to get a paycheck?

 

Fine, pay the players. But then make them responsible for their own tuition, books, food, tutors, rent, etc... They will see real quickly how good of a deal they've already been getting.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you want players paid, just say it. There's no need to go through some roundabout 3rd party mechanisms to put money in their hands from most likely shady characters.

[Derwood]

I'm not saying the University should pay them. I'm saying the NCAA shouldn't prohibit them from making money on their own (within limits)

[Guest]

And the football players are making the school tons of money while you, well, aren't.

 

Athletic departments aren't making money hand over fist. If you want the complete fairness of the football players getting compensated, that's fine. But acknowledge that it would come at the expense of the Olympic sports in those schools, and more than a few basketball programs as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not saying the University should pay them. I'm saying the NCAA shouldn't prohibit them from making money on their own (within limits)

 

So you're going to keep saying within limits without actually saying what that means then.

[shnsajax]

And the football players are making the school tons of money while you, well, aren't.

 

Athletic departments aren't making money hand over fist. If you want the complete fairness of the football players getting compensated, that's fine. But acknowledge that it would come at the expense of the Olympic sports in those schools, and more than a few basketball programs as well.

 

How much money do these kids need after free everything. If I was 18 and was given $200 a week with zero expenses I could have done a lot of damage.

[EhDubya]

Tattoos, cars, and weed ain't cheap, bro.

[SouthSideRyan]

Tattoos, cars, and weed ain't cheap, bro.

 

As long as the car was within limits

[Guest]

And the football players are making the school tons of money while you, well, aren't.

 

Athletic departments aren't making money hand over fist. If you want the complete fairness of the football players getting compensated, that's fine. But acknowledge that it would come at the expense of the Olympic sports in those schools, and more than a few basketball programs as well.

 

Oh I know that. I was just pointing out that EhDubya basically saying that he was the same as these football players was ridiculous.

[erik316wttn]

Don't these kids get paid enough with the full-ride scholarships that they get? And now you want to pay them on top of that?

[Derwood]

I'm not saying the University should pay them. I'm saying the NCAA shouldn't prohibit them from making money on their own (within limits)

 

So you're going to keep saying within limits without actually saying what that means then.

 

I don't care enough to define the parameters. I'm just saying that the more rules you pile on these players, the more likely there will be rules broken

[TruffleShuffle]

there aren't that many rules. the main rule is, you're not allowed to profit from your position on the football team. taking money from boosters? that's profiting. sweet deal on a car because you're the starting qb? profiting. selling gold pants or a jersey to pay for tattoos? profiting.

[Derwood]

there aren't that many rules. the main rule is, you're not allowed to profit from your position on the football team. taking money from boosters? that's profiting. sweet deal on a car because you're the starting qb? profiting. selling gold pants or a jersey to pay for tattoos? profiting.

 

should a student athlete be allowed to make endorsements? can they be a sponsored athlete in a non-collegiate sport?

[TruffleShuffle]

there aren't that many rules. the main rule is, you're not allowed to profit from your position on the football team. taking money from boosters? that's profiting. sweet deal on a car because you're the starting qb? profiting. selling gold pants or a jersey to pay for tattoos? profiting.

 

should a student athlete be allowed to make endorsements? can they be a sponsored athlete in a non-collegiate sport?

 

well the answer to the first one based on the "do not profit" standard is no; the second one is more nebulous because they're theoretically profiting from a sport they don't compete in collegiately (though if terrelle pryor gets a quarter mill as a skateboarder from vitamin water and can barely ride a skateboard, it won't be too hard to see through that charade)

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not saying the University should pay them. I'm saying the NCAA shouldn't prohibit them from making money on their own (within limits)

 

So you're going to keep saying within limits without actually saying what that means then.

 

I don't care enough to define the parameters. I'm just saying that the more rules you pile on these players, the more likely there will be rules broken

 

What if we didn't call them rules? What if we called them "limits"

[EhDubya]

And the football players are making the school tons of money while you, well, aren't.

 

Athletic departments aren't making money hand over fist. If you want the complete fairness of the football players getting compensated, that's fine. But acknowledge that it would come at the expense of the Olympic sports in those schools, and more than a few basketball programs as well.

 

Oh I know that. I was just pointing out that EhDubya basically saying that he was the same as these football players was ridiculous.

 

Wait, what? The only parallel I drew was that we were both broke college students. I then pointed out the many differences, i.e., student loans for me after college, NFL and job opportunities for them. What I did write was that college athletes are compensated extremely well for the money that they make the school already. How in the world did you miss that?

[Old Style]

How much money do these kids need after free everything. If I was 18 and was given $200 a week with zero expenses I could have done a lot of damage.

THIS! They get free tuition, free room & board, meal plans, free books, etc. And then they get some cash on top of that? What more do they need? Jesus H, I would have killed for that kind of setup while in school.

[Old Style]

He's still honest to me dammit

:lol:

[fiver]

so...Russell Wilson is visiting Wisconsin next week. He visitied Auburn last week. I think I'd rather AU play either Barrett Trotter or freshman Kiehl Frazier at QB this year in preparation for the 2012 season rather than try to win an extra game or two in 2011 with Wilson.

[NOLA]

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