Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Hairyducked Idiot]

David Schuster spent 5 minutes on the Score laughing at rumors that the Cubs were candidates for any name free agents (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson, Buerhle).

 

Meh, it seems that everyone on the Score thinks that Ricketts is flat broke and the Cubs should end up with a 90 mil payroll.

 

To be trollingfair, we're 3/5ths of the way through the winter meetings and that hasn't been refuted by any activity.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rob, relating to that fangraphs chart, is "normal player" defined as everyone else in the majors?

 

That's the way I read it.

 

Don't you see a flaw in the fact that the fat players have a lower baseline to start from? If there was no information on the weights of players it'd make sense to say worse players decline quicker and at an earlier age than better players.

[SouthSideRyan]

Perhaps I'm missing something in the writer's argument. Wouldn't you expect that a correlation to a "normal player" would support the commonly accepted age range for a player's peak years of 27-32? This chart suggests that a player's peak years are 23-28. Just curious.

 

It really varies too much between different types of players to be useful to generalize, but player peaks are much younger than most people realize. 27-32 is far too old.

 

This.

 

Wrong. Dusty Baker said that Roger Craig said that players peak at 32-34.

 

I think it was even more ridiculous. Something like 36-38.

[SouthSideRyan]

BNightengale Bob Nightengale

Confirmed @JCrasnick: The Pujols' camp has informed the #Marlins they are out. but Pujols still has 3 offers in excess of $200 million.

 

Two others?

 

Lozano's right middle finger and his left middle finger, as he tries to extract more from the Cardinals.

 

I figured those fingers would be busy elsewhere.

[Magnetic Curses]

Perhaps I'm missing something in the writer's argument. Wouldn't you expect that a correlation to a "normal player" would support the commonly accepted age range for a player's peak years of 27-32? This chart suggests that a player's peak years are 23-28. Just curious.

 

It really varies too much between different types of players to be useful to generalize, but player peaks are much younger than most people realize. 27-32 is far too old.

 

This.

 

Wrong. Dusty Baker said that Roger Craig said that players peak at 32-34.

 

I think it was even more ridiculous. Something like 36-38.

 

i think that was actually cindy sandberg's sexual peak.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

@Buster_ESPN

Buster Olney

MILW playing it right in the way they're negotiating with Fielder, but Cubs could grab this thing by the throat with Ryan Howard-type offer.

[Rob]

Rob, relating to that fangraphs chart, is "normal player" defined as everyone else in the majors?

 

That's the way I read it.

 

Don't you see a flaw in the fact that the fat players have a lower baseline to start from? If there was no information on the weights of players it'd make sense to say worse players decline quicker and at an earlier age than better players.

 

I think you're reading the graph wrong.

 

The only baseline is the individuals own performance. The top of the graph is 0, or the player's peak season. Each data point below that is simply how far off from their peak they were. It only establishes the aging curve. There's no direct comparison as to which group is having the overall better seasons though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ah, ok, I didn't see the measurement, just assumed WAR

[Hairyducked Idiot]

@Buster_ESPN

Buster Olney

MILW playing it right in the way they're negotiating with Fielder, but Cubs could grab this thing by the throat with Ryan Howard-type offer.

 

Ryan Howard's contract or Ryan Howard's real worth?

[Rob]

Ah, ok, I didn't see the measurement, just assumed WAR

 

No worries, I made the same assumption until the weird numbers on the y axis caught my eye.

[ctcf]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

[davell]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

I would, but he's pretty risky right now. They evidently want Marte and Lincoln from the Pirates, so what's comparable from us? Szczur and Dolis maybe? If so and his meds check out, I'd do it obviously.

[Rob]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

 

If we're going for injury reclamation projects, I'm trying to acquire Kendrys Morales.

[Guest]

David Schuster spent 5 minutes on the Score laughing at rumors that the Cubs were candidates for any name free agents (Pujols, Fielder, Wilson, Buerhle).

 

Meh, it seems that everyone on the Score thinks that Ricketts is flat broke and the Cubs should end up with a 90 mil payroll.

 

To be trollingfair, we're 3/5ths of the way through the winter meetings and that hasn't been refuted by any activity.

 

Except, you know, the rampant speculation that they're pursuing Fielder, and the multiple sources claiming they made an offer to Pujols.

[ctcf]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

 

If we're going for injury reclamation projects, I'm trying to acquire Kendrys Morales.

 

I dunno man. Ike is like 3-4 years younger and Kendrys has only managed one full year in the majors.

[ctcf]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

I would, but he's pretty risky right now. They evidently want Marte and Lincoln from the Pirates, so what's comparable from us? Szczur and Dolis maybe? If so and his meds check out, I'd do it obviously.

 

I would do that in a heartbeat.

[Brett]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

 

If we're going for injury reclamation projects, I'm trying to acquire Kendrys Morales.

 

I dunno man. Ike is like 3-4 years younger and Kendrys has only managed one full year in the majors.

 

Then again, Morales is a non-tender candidate - he could come for only the cost of a contract (a couple million bucks, perhaps).

[Butterscup1679666578]

Yeah why would you take the 28-year-old coming off an injury over the 24-year-old coming off an injury?

[Guest]

Why the hell hasn't Pujols re-signed yet?

[ctcf]

Why the hell hasn't Pujols re-signed yet?

 

$$$$$$$$$$$

 

Also, his agent may have found his way back onto craigslist again.

[ctcf]

Someone join me in wanting Ike Davis, damnit.

 

If we're going for injury reclamation projects, I'm trying to acquire Kendrys Morales.

 

I dunno man. Ike is like 3-4 years younger and Kendrys has only managed one full year in the majors.

 

Then again, Morales is a non-tender candidate - he could come for only the cost of a contract (a couple million bucks, perhaps).

 

Very true, but I'd prefer the extra years of control. Plus an extra 4 years age wise is a lot in my eyes.

[davell]

I have no problem at all if we get Fielder for 5/125. Big difference between him and when Howard was signed to the same deal.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Once and for all, pujols makes little to no sense for cubs. They are rebuilding. Fielder, just 27, does.

 

Even Heyman thinks we have a shot. Personally, my gut is that if The Cubs and Brewers are working with 5-6 year deals, someone is bound to swoop in with a 7 year offer.

[Rob]

Yeah why would you take the 28-year-old coming off an injury over the 24-year-old coming off an injury?

 

Because I look at Ike Davis and see a marginally better James Loney or Casey Kotchman?

 

I'm not saying that isn't valuable... but I just don't buy into Davis ever having the power production necessary to be a difference maker. With the stakes that low, I don't mind giving up a couple years of service time to go after I guy I see as having a real bat.

[Guest]