NFL Week 11

[UMFan83]

Unfortunately this gives the Vikings time to re-tool a bit and be playing much better football just in time for the Bears to roll into town on the 20th :(

 

Childress isn't why the Vikings struggled. They might get a bounce with the coaching change, but that will fade over the next three weeks' worth of games before Chicago arrives. Leslie isn't going to bring Moss back, and he isn't going to make Favre change his stripes. I'm not conceding that game until we see how the next three week's shake out.

 

I'm not conceding any game, but understood.

 

I'm not conceding any game either but it is gonna be tough. The amount of effort the Vikings put into their last couple of games is questionable at best. The Vikings are still relatively talented. They are better than other 3-7 teams out there you would think. The Vikings players supposedly hated their coach and were mired in a funk of controversy and undisciplined play.

 

Say Leslie gives them a little bump. Say they win a couple of games in a row. The effort is there, the players like the coach, and although the playoffs are highly unlikely, the team has a new common goal to finish the year strong to keep Leslie as their coach. Suddenly a Monday night game in the dome seems a lot more difficult than it did yesterday.

 

I'm not gonna pretend that Brett Favre is randomly gonna stop throwing INTs like he's auditioning for a role in ABC's movie of the week: "The Rex Grossman story". I'm not going to hide the fact that the Vikings are a bit banged up and the Williams wall is not the same as it was 2 years ago and the secondary is questionable, etc. But it will most likely be a more difficult game than I had hoped for, in the stadium we've won in only 1 out of the last 9 games there.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not conceding any game either but it is gonna be tough.

 

The post I meant to reply to was yours, in which you said you don't see how they could win. Right? They've stunk in Minneapolis, but they've also been a pretty weak team for a long time. And 7-9 teams tend to lose road games in the division to anybody that doesn't suck balls. If Chicago doesnt' take a step back the next few games I could see them winning in Minnesota without having to take luck into account. Every NFL team has talent. Detroit is talented, but they have only 2 wins for a reason. Cincy has loads of talent but only 2 wins for a reason. The Vikings have a lot of talent but they have 3 wins for a reason. A lot of it is old and/or banged up and their flaws go much deeper than head coach.

[sneakypower]

and sneaky was kind enough to link us to a picture of suh with his fingers in the facemask, so we know that, while the wrong penalty was called, a 15 yard penalty was warranted.

simply having your hands on the facemask isn't a penalty, Barber's head didn't get twisted at all until Suh tugged on his reins

[jersey cubs fan]

and sneaky was kind enough to link us to a picture of suh with his fingers in the facemask, so we know that, while the wrong penalty was called, a 15 yard penalty was warranted.

simply having your hands on the facemask isn't a penalty, Barber's head didn't get twisted at all until Suh tugged on his reins

 

You don't need to twist the head for the penalty to be called.

[UMFan83]

I'm not conceding any game either but it is gonna be tough.

 

The post I meant to reply to was yours, in which you said you don't see how they could win. Right? They've stunk in Minneapolis, but they've also been a pretty weak team for a long time. And 7-9 teams tend to lose road games in the division to anybody that doesn't suck balls. If Chicago doesnt' take a step back the next few games I could see them winning in Minnesota without having to take luck into account. Every NFL team has talent. Detroit is talented, but they have only 2 wins for a reason. Cincy has loads of talent but only 2 wins for a reason. The Vikings have a lot of talent but they have 3 wins for a reason. A lot of it is old and/or banged up and their flaws go much deeper than head coach.

 

I said I don't see them winning, but I didn't literally mean that I don't think they can win. I just meant that it's gonna be harder to win then it was if Chilly wasn't fired and the team continued collectively falling into apathy. We just do strange things in the Metrodome, and it scares me with a potential revitalized team waiting for them. I guess we should see how they respond before I start throwing out proclamations like that though.

[CubColtPacer]

and sneaky was kind enough to link us to a picture of suh with his fingers in the facemask, so we know that, while the wrong penalty was called, a 15 yard penalty was warranted.

simply having your hands on the facemask isn't a penalty, Barber's head didn't get twisted at all until Suh tugged on his reins

 

You don't need to twist the head for the penalty to be called.

 

No, but you either need to twist or hold on for a while. Grabbing and then quickly releasing was always the 5 yard variety in the past and that was the penalty that was supposed to be eliminated. What has tended to happen though is that the 15 yard foul gets called on situations where it wouldn't in the past and that's not what the rule change was supposed to do.

[erik316wttn]

Watching the Vikings implode this season has been the football equivalent of if the Cardinals were to do it. Absolutely glorious.

 

Changing the subject.. we're really going to see what the Packers are made of the next 6 games. Tough road games to ATL and NE, and we have the Bears and Giants at home. None of those games will be easy.

Edited November 22, 2010 by erik316wttn

[jersey cubs fan]

and sneaky was kind enough to link us to a picture of suh with his fingers in the facemask, so we know that, while the wrong penalty was called, a 15 yard penalty was warranted.

simply having your hands on the facemask isn't a penalty, Barber's head didn't get twisted at all until Suh tugged on his reins

 

You don't need to twist the head for the penalty to be called.

 

No, but you either need to twist or hold on for a while. Grabbing and then quickly releasing was always the 5 yard variety in the past and that was the penalty that was supposed to be eliminated. What has tended to happen though is that the 15 yard foul gets called on situations where it wouldn't in the past and that's not what the rule change was supposed to do.

 

Actually, you didn't have to grab before to get 5. You could brush it and get 5 in the past. The rules change was meant to eliminate some incidental penalties, but also call some penalties that were forgiven with just 5 yards as 15 yarders. Some stuff that didn't get 15 before does now. That was an inevitable consequence of getting rid of the 5 yard penalty.

[dew1679666265]

Dew who do you get rid of VY or Jeff Fisher?

 

VY. This is a strong QB draft and there's a lot of question whether Vince will ever figure it out, under Fisher or anybody else. We already know Fisher is one of the best coaches in the league and there's no guarantee we'd get (or Bud would pay) a Cowher or someone to replace him.

 

Bud's love of VY might lead him to fire Fisher with the thought that Fisher just hasn't bought into developing Vince, but that would be a really big mistake. As much as I like Vince, I think it's time to cut ties.

[dew1679666265]

Luck or Mallett? What are some opinions on who's better?

 

Mallett may have better physical tools than Luck, but Luck's more productive. Luck may not get the boost Mallett will at the combine either, meaning he might be there if the Titans fall off and end up around the same spot as last year.

[rawaction]

Luck or Mallett? What are some opinions on who's better?

 

Mallett may have better physical tools than Luck, but Luck's more productive. Luck may not get the boost Mallett will at the combine either, meaning he might be there if the Titans fall off and end up around the same spot as last year.

 

Luck, and it's not even close. Luck is the #1 pick if he comes out. He has all the makings to be a Tom Brady or Matt Ryan type QB. He won't wow you with off the chart arm strength and measurables, but he is the best leader, most poised, and most cerebral QB that I have personally seen since Peyton Manning. And he has the ability to make every throw.

 

Luck may not even come out though.

[Soul]

I love Mallett's potential, but I would also say Luck.

[Post Count Padder]

So glad Chilly is gone. If only they could have kicked Favre out the door with him.

[dew1679666265]

Luck or Mallett? What are some opinions on who's better?

 

Mallett may have better physical tools than Luck, but Luck's more productive. Luck may not get the boost Mallett will at the combine either, meaning he might be there if the Titans fall off and end up around the same spot as last year.

 

Luck, and it's not even close. Luck is the #1 pick if he comes out. He has all the makings to be a Tom Brady or Matt Ryan type QB. He won't wow you with off the chart arm strength and measurables, but he is the best leader, most poised, and most cerebral QB that I have personally seen since Peyton Manning. And he has the ability to make every throw.

 

Luck may not even come out though.

 

You don't think he'll come out? I kind of assumed he would.

 

I tend to think Mallett's more of a boom or bust guy. He could be better than Luck, but is also probably more likely to flame out than Luck.

 

After Mallett and Locker, what QBs likely to be in this class do you really like? I should know more off the top of my head, but I don't.

[dew1679666265]

I love Mallett's potential, but I would also say Luck.

 

I'm bad about getting really excited about measureables and physical ability, so I probably like Mallett more than I should. I love Luck as well, though.

[SpongeWorthy]

I'm still astonished that Locker is considered a high pick. He only plays well against USC.

[Guest]

Luck is much further ahead than Mallett. Mallett will impress with his arm at the Combine but will get a woeful Wonderlic score which teams won't like since he's a QB. Mallett should still be a top 10 pick. Don't sleep on Luck's athleticism. He can run and is second in the Pac-10 in rush yards by a QB behind Daron Thomas. I like Luck as much, if not more than I liked Bradford last year. Definitely like luck more than Ryan.

 

Since Luck is only a redshirt sophomore and a bright kid majoring in engineering at Stanford, there's thought to be a possibility he'll return for his RS junior year. If Harbaugh bolts, Luck is gone.

 

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him. Nick Foles and Cam Newton are better NFL prospects.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Frazier as a head coach scares me

[SpongeWorthy]

Luck is much further ahead than Mallett. Mallett will impress with his arm at the Combine but will get a woeful Wonderlic score which teams won't like since he's a QB. Mallett should still be a top 10 pick. Don't sleep on Luck's athleticism. He can run and is second in the Pac-10 in rush yards by a QB behind Daron Thomas. I like Luck as much, if not more than I liked Bradford last year. Definitely like luck more than Ryan.

 

Since Luck is only a redshirt sophomore and a bright kid majoring in engineering at Stanford, there's thought to be a possibility he'll return for his RS junior year. If Harbaugh bolts, Luck is gone.

 

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him. Nick Foles and Cam Newton are better NFL prospects.

 

Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

[Soul]

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him.

 

Soo tempting as a prospect. But the potential to get really burned, if taken too high, looms.

[Guest]

Luck is much further ahead than Mallett. Mallett will impress with his arm at the Combine but will get a woeful Wonderlic score which teams won't like since he's a QB. Mallett should still be a top 10 pick. Don't sleep on Luck's athleticism. He can run and is second in the Pac-10 in rush yards by a QB behind Daron Thomas. I like Luck as much, if not more than I liked Bradford last year. Definitely like luck more than Ryan.

 

Since Luck is only a redshirt sophomore and a bright kid majoring in engineering at Stanford, there's thought to be a possibility he'll return for his RS junior year. If Harbaugh bolts, Luck is gone.

 

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him. Nick Foles and Cam Newton are better NFL prospects.

 

Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

I didn't see Ryan being this good coming out of college. I was just comparing them as prospects coming out of college.

[dew1679666265]

Luck is much further ahead than Mallett. Mallett will impress with his arm at the Combine but will get a woeful Wonderlic score which teams won't like since he's a QB. Mallett should still be a top 10 pick. Don't sleep on Luck's athleticism. He can run and is second in the Pac-10 in rush yards by a QB behind Daron Thomas. I like Luck as much, if not more than I liked Bradford last year. Definitely like luck more than Ryan.

 

Since Luck is only a redshirt sophomore and a bright kid majoring in engineering at Stanford, there's thought to be a possibility he'll return for his RS junior year. If Harbaugh bolts, Luck is gone.

 

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him. Nick Foles and Cam Newton are better NFL prospects.

 

Cam intrigues me, but he strikes me very similarly to Vince – great athlete, strong arm (stronger than Vince's), questionable accuracy. With the pay-for-play stuff swirling, I'm not sure I'd want him in the first round. He'd be a good project for a team with a good, aging veteran QB.

 

And I didn't realize Luck was that athletic. Definitely makes him a bit more appealing, though he won't be drafted for his legs.

 

And I liken Locker to Josh Freeman, great tools but not developed at all. He'll need to fall into a good situation to succeed, especially early on.

[dew1679666265]

Luck is much further ahead than Mallett. Mallett will impress with his arm at the Combine but will get a woeful Wonderlic score which teams won't like since he's a QB. Mallett should still be a top 10 pick. Don't sleep on Luck's athleticism. He can run and is second in the Pac-10 in rush yards by a QB behind Daron Thomas. I like Luck as much, if not more than I liked Bradford last year. Definitely like luck more than Ryan.

 

Since Luck is only a redshirt sophomore and a bright kid majoring in engineering at Stanford, there's thought to be a possibility he'll return for his RS junior year. If Harbaugh bolts, Luck is gone.

 

Locker isn't a first rounder but some team will take him. Nick Foles and Cam Newton are better NFL prospects.

 

Ryan is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

I didn't see Ryan being this good coming out of college. I was just comparing them as prospects coming out of college.

 

Yeah, I wasn't big on Ryan coming out either. Too many picks and not enough tools to overcome the INTs.

[dew1679666265]

Too bad Aaron Murray can't come out yet, I think he's got a shot to be really, really good in the NFL.

[shnsajax]

Luck or Mallett? What are some opinions on who's better?

 

Mallett may have better physical tools than Luck, but Luck's more productive. Luck may not get the boost Mallett will at the combine either, meaning he might be there if the Titans fall off and end up around the same spot as last year.

 

Luck, and it's not even close. Luck is the #1 pick if he comes out. He has all the makings to be a Tom Brady or Matt Ryan type QB. He won't wow you with off the chart arm strength and measurables, but he is the best leader, most poised, and most cerebral QB that I have personally seen since Peyton Manning. And he has the ability to make every throw.

 

Luck may not even come out though.

 

You don't think he'll come out? I kind of assumed he would.

 

I tend to think Mallett's more of a boom or bust guy. He could be better than Luck, but is also probably more likely to flame out than Luck.

 

After Mallett and Locker, what QBs likely to be in this class do you really like? I should know more off the top of my head, but I don't.

 

Luck in heartbeat just because he is a smarter and more athletic QB. Personally I like Luck more than Bradford. For whatever reason when I see Mallett I think of Cutler. I do like Mallett a lot too.

 

I think the only reason Luck may not come out is because of a potential holdout. Snead and Locker have given him too many reasons not to comeout.