NFL Week 11

[dew1679666265]

what is fisher's problem with young? i'm sure if kerry collins were healthy he'd just start him until he died.

 

It all started when Vince was drafted. Fisher wanted Leinart, Bud Adams (the owner) wanted Vince - so Fisher got Vince like it or not. The reason Fisher wanted Leinart is he'd prefer a QB the style of Kerry Collins - pro style, drop back passer with a good arm and good field awareness. Very little of that describes Vince.

 

I think Fisher has carried the grudge of having Vince forced upon him ever since.

Norm Chow (OC at USC with Leinart) was also with the Titans at the time they could have drafted him, right??

 

Yep. The USC connection was very strong at the time with Fisher and Chow and that led to them really liking Leinart. Fisher is very familiar with USC players (Damian Williams is very well liked) and I'm sure Chow gave him a strong endorsement as well.

[SpongeWorthy]

I don't see why he would resent Young over that after all these years when it turns out Leinart blows.

 

There's plenty of nonsense VY has been involved with since the draft to make a good coach like Fisher have issues with him...in addition to him not being all that great.

[dew1679666265]

I don't see why he would resent Young over that after all these years when it turns out Leinart blows.

 

There's plenty of nonsense VY has been involved with since the draft to make a good coach like Fisher have issues with him...in addition to him not being all that great.

 

I don't know that he's resentful of Vince personally, just that he was forced on him. He probably would have gotten over it by now if Vince had developed well and become a top notch QB. But with the other issues Vince has had, I think that kept the frustration on Fisher's part going.

 

Basically, he's likely never believed in Vince and Vince's issues have only confirmed his original belief.

[shnsajax]

I don't see why he would resent Young over that after all these years when it turns out Leinart blows.

 

There's plenty of nonsense VY has been involved with since the draft to make a good coach like Fisher have issues with him...in addition to him not being all that great.

 

I don't know that he's resentful of Vince personally, just that he was forced on him. He probably would have gotten over it by now if Vince had developed well and become a top notch QB. But with the other issues Vince has had, I think that kept the frustration on Fisher's part going.

 

Basically, he's likely never believed in Vince and Vince's issues have only confirmed his original belief.

 

And how many OC's has Vince been through?

[SpongeWorthy]

The "oh I've been through so many different OCs" excuse is loser talk. For starters, if your OC stinks, changing it isn't a bad thing. But even if you're just making lateral moves all the good OCing in the world can't fix a wack delivery and bad decision making.

[dew1679666265]

And how many OC's has Vince been through?

 

Chow and Heimerdinger.

[dew1679666265]

The "oh I've been through so many different OCs" excuse is loser talk. For starters, if your OC stinks, changing it isn't a bad thing. But even if you're just making lateral moves all the good OCing in the world can't fix a wack delivery and bad decision making.

 

Changing OCs can have a negative impact. Having to learn potentially completely different offenses year in and year out can really stunt the growth of a young QB because he's more focused on learning the offense than on developing the areas he needs to work on. Vince has only had 2, though, so that doesn't really apply to him.

 

And his delivery is fine and decision making has steadily been improving. His decision making isn't good, but he's also been hampered by injuries (keeping him off the field) and lack of maturity - he lets mistakes and setbacks get to him too much.

[SpongeWorthy]

All I'm saying is that a good OC (and I consider Heimerdinger a good one) isn't going to turn chicken [expletive] into chicken salad...especially in the pros.

 

A good set of wheels and a nice scheme can hide a lot in college.

[dew1679666265]

All I'm saying is that a good OC (and I consider Heimerdinger a good one) isn't going to turn chicken [expletive] into chicken salad...especially in the pros.

 

A good set of wheels and a nice scheme can hide a lot in college.

 

It's not a matter of hiding it in the pros, it's a matter of fixing it. Some players can't be fixed (and that may still be Vince), but some can and it's looked at times as if Vince was getting fixed. He's just taken a very, very long time.

[Careless]

ESPN really needs to get better ads on its MNF broadcasts. This is embarrassing.

[Soul]

I'd settle for a Chucky replacement.

[Andy]

The only other Panthers fan I know besides me has been on the "hire Jim Harbaugh/draft Andrew Luck" train for a while. Since Carolina is clearly going to get the #1 pick - I honestly cannot envision a scenario in which they win again - and clearly will be hunting for a coach, I wonder how realistic the idea is. Probably not at all - the owner hates making splashes - but an intriguing concept.

[Banedon]

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[UMFan83]

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It's been that kind of year for the Vikings.

[UMFan83]

The only other Panthers fan I know besides me has been on the "hire Jim Harbaugh/draft Andrew Luck" train for a while. Since Carolina is clearly going to get the #1 pick - I honestly cannot envision a scenario in which they win again - and clearly will be hunting for a coach, I wonder how realistic the idea is. Probably not at all - the owner hates making splashes - but an intriguing concept.

 

Hiring Jim Harbaugh would be great for your franchise, but if he chooses to leave CFB, he's gonna probably have his pick of the Dallas and Minnesota jobs too. Or at least 1 of them. Gonna be hard to say no to coaching teams that already have that level of talent to work with.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The only other Panthers fan I know besides me has been on the "hire Jim Harbaugh/draft Andrew Luck" train for a while. Since Carolina is clearly going to get the #1 pick - I honestly cannot envision a scenario in which they win again - and clearly will be hunting for a coach, I wonder how realistic the idea is. Probably not at all - the owner hates making splashes - but an intriguing concept.

 

Hiring Jim Harbaugh would be great for your franchise, but if he chooses to leave CFB, he's gonna probably have his pick of the Dallas and Minnesota jobs too. Or at least 1 of them. Gonna be hard to say no to coaching teams that already have that level of talent to work with.

 

I'm not sure Dallas would go after Harbaugh. First, if Garrett can 4-2 over the remaining games, the job will be his to keep. Winning four more games is going to be a steep climb due to the schedule, but if he pulls it off, he would have gone 6-2 over the games since taking over and I can't see Jerry giving the job to anyone else. He may get to keep it just going 3-3. Anything less, and it will be a toss up.

 

If Garrett is not retained, I think Jerry goes after a name coach like Gruden, Cowher, Billick,etc.

 

Also, if the VY stuff in Tenn leads Fisher to opt out of his contract, I think Jerry would go after Fisher as his first choice. Harbaugh's name could be in play for Dallas, but I don't know that he would be Jerry's first choice. If Jerry goes college, he's more likely to try to get Saban.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The only other Panthers fan I know besides me has been on the "hire Jim Harbaugh/draft Andrew Luck" train for a while. Since Carolina is clearly going to get the #1 pick - I honestly cannot envision a scenario in which they win again - and clearly will be hunting for a coach, I wonder how realistic the idea is. Probably not at all - the owner hates making splashes - but an intriguing concept.

 

Are you convinced that Clausen isn't the answer or is it that you just like Luck that much as a prospect?

 

I agree that Luck is the best choice for a first pick if he comes out, but is he the best choice for Carolina?

 

I've seen a lot of mock's send Green your way.

[dew1679666265]

Also, if the VY stuff in Tenn leads Fisher to opt out of his contract, I think Jerry would go after Fisher as his first choice.

 

This is becoming more likely. Bud Adams has said that Vince isn't going anywhere. That probably means we're looking for a new head coach after the year.

[UMFan83]

If Garrett is not retained, I think Jerry goes after a name coach like Gruden, Cowher, Billick,etc.

 

At this point despite the lack of NFL success, Harbaugh is probably the biggest name on the market besides Cowher and Gruden. His stock is red hot.

[jersey cubs fan]

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[Guest]

I think Harbaugh is at a position where he can pick and choose the NFL vacancy he wants to fill and a place like Dallas with Jerry Jones watching over his shoulder will not seem that palatable to him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think Harbaugh is at a position where he can pick and choose the NFL vacancy he wants to fill and a place like Dallas with Jerry Jones watching over his shoulder will not seem that palatable to him.

 

While that certainly may be true, the other side is also true. If a coach wins at Dallas he will be a star on the national level. Also, Jerry will pay him well and pay for the players as well.

 

The Dallas job for a coach is a hard one to judge. It depends on the person. Dallas is a job where you should have enough talent to win and enough resources to do whatever you want and it's the largest stage to do that as well.

 

On the other hand, there's Jerry Jones. He's both a positive and a negative, depending on how you view things.

 

I think a lot depends on the demeanor of the coach.

 

For example, if you were looking to coach a team would you choose Carolina where you have to completely rebuild or Dallas where you just need to right the ship and deal with Jones?

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Harbaugh is at a position where he can pick and choose the NFL vacancy he wants to fill and a place like Dallas with Jerry Jones watching over his shoulder will not seem that palatable to him.

 

While that certainly may be true, the other side is also true. If a coach wins at Dallas he will be a star on the national level. Also, Jerry will pay him well and pay for the players as well.

 

The Dallas job for a coach is a hard one to judge. It depends on the person. Dallas is a job where you should have enough talent to win and enough resources to do whatever you want and it's the largest stage to do that as well.

 

On the other hand, there's Jerry Jones. He's both a positive and a negative, depending on how you view things.

 

I think a lot depends on the demeanor of the coach.

 

For example, if you were looking to coach a team would you choose Carolina where you have to completely rebuild or Dallas where you just need to right the ship and deal with Jones?

 

Rebuilding isn't that tough and everybody who thinks he can be an NFL coach thinks he can do it. However, most guys don't think they can put up with Jones. He's a net negative. Parcells gave it a go but didn't accomplish anything. Since Johnson left he's had one non-joke head coach. For a guy who is willing to spend like he does, that says it all right there.

[dew1679666265]

Rebuilding isn't that tough and everybody who thinks he can be an NFL coach thinks he can do it. However, most guys don't think they can put up with Jones. He's a net negative. Parcells gave it a go but didn't accomplish anything. Since Johnson left he's had one non-joke head coach. For a guy who is willing to spend like he does, that says it all right there.

 

Yeah, most coaches want control of roster moves and that's one of the biggest things Jerry doesn't want to give up. That's part of why I think Fisher might balk at going to Dallas should he leave Nashville, he wants a very significant say in roster moves and the direction the franchise builds and Jerry probably won't want to give him that kind of power.

[Guest]

My point is twofold: First, Harbaugh doesn't seem like the type of guy who'd want to share or give up power to a Jerry Jones-type of owner. Secondly, he has a good enough thing going at Stanford that he can wait a year for a better opening if his only choices are Carolina and a Dallas job he isn't interested in. Heck, he'd probably get a raise from Stanford while waiting another year to find a more suitable vacancy.