Sandberg leaves Cubs Organization

[jersey cubs fan]

I would think that he'd rather have a longer deal than a shorter one. More guaranteed money that way. If he gets a long term deal and has a lot of success, he can renegotiate for better terms. If he has a short term deal and doesn't have success, he is out of a job with no buyout.

 

Yes, I would imagine he would prefer that. But if you are only getting 2 years guaranteed, then giving the club an option year on top of that isn't in your own best interests. That was the point.

For him it is the worst of both worlds. Only guaranteed a gig for 2 years, but if he does well then he doesn't have leverage to renegotiate because the team controls the 3rd year.

[toonsterwu]

 

 

At the same time, I understand why the cubs were hesitant to hire him. What baffles me is that Quade was given a 2 year deal.

 

Why is the 2 year deal odd? Std. practice for a inexperienced manager tends to be either a 2 or 3 year deal. He has a 2013 club option, so he got something in the middle.

 

2 years with a club option isn't really in the middle of 2 or 3. The benefits of a longer contract is you have more guaranteed. The benefits of the shorter contract is you can renegotiate sooner or become a free agent. I would assume he would have preferred a straight 2 rather than giving the team an option for year 3. Right now he's not getting the benefit of a 3 or a 2.

 

fair enough. I guess my question was why it was baffling that he got a 2 year deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

fair enough. I guess my question was why it was baffling that he got a 2 year deal.

 

Yeah, I don't think it's baffling. It's not what the Cubs have been known for recently, but I think they were just handing out 3-4 year deals before, it's not like they were signing managers for 6 years. A guy with limited opportunities elsewhere isn't going to sign long term and there is no reason for the Cubs to offer more than they have to to get him signed.

[Electron Blue]

I haven't followed this conversation too closely, to be honest. But I think a 2+ year deal is pretty good for a manager getting his first shot in the majors. He doesn't need to worry about this or next year, and the team gets rewarded with a third year if their risk (or, the supposed risk, of an "unseasoned" big-name manager).

[Guest]

Unfortunately, Quade's first full year appears to be covered in a dark cloud named Jim Hendry.

 

It's pretty bad for a manager to be hired by the same guy who hands you a steaming pile of crap to work with, and you then have to make that steaming pile of crap smell like roses or face the consequences.

[Soul]

Unfortunately, Quade's first full year appears to be covered in a dark cloud named Jim Hendry.

 

It's pretty bad for a manager to be hired by the same guy who hands you a steaming pile of crap to work with, and you then have to make that steaming pile of crap smell like roses or face the consequences.

Quade's not the first to face such a situation, and he won't be the last.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

This team can still win this division, Quade is not being put in the same situation Trammel was in Detroit or anything.

[Post Count Padder]

Phillies hired Ryne Sandberg as manager at Triple-A Lehigh Valley.

Sandberg felt snubbed when the Cubs hired Mike Quade to succeed Lou Piniella last month. The Phillies love current manager Charlie Manuel and are likely to stick by him until he decides to call it quits. Sandberg hasn't been guaranteed anything, but he could be next in line.

Source: Matt Gelb on Twitter

[Magnetic Curses]

well he certainly showed us

[Old Style]

OK, I'm done trying to defend Sandberg. He's just being a baby now.

[fiver]

OK, I'm done trying to defend Sandberg. He's just being a baby now.

 

he could believe the Phillies managerial spot will reopen sooner than the Cubs at this point. Charlie Manuel isn't a young man and has had quite a few different health issues.

Edited November 16, 2010 by fiver

[cl smooth]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5808540

 

"I didn't think it was in the Cubs' or my best interest to stay in the organization at this time," Sandberg said in a conference call. "It also would not have been fair to Mike Quade, either, if the perception was I was waiting for him to fail in Chicago and waiting for the axe to fall."

[Soul]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5808540

 

"I didn't think it was in the Cubs' or my best interest to stay in the organization at this time," Sandberg said in a conference call. "It also would not have been fair to Mike Quade, either, if the perception was I was waiting for him to fail in Chicago and waiting for the axe to fall."

 

This doesn't sound like Ryno is being a baby to me.

 

Although I agree with the sentiment that Ryne Sandberg the person isn't as impressive as Ryne Sandberg the player was.

[Northside Blues]

Wouldn't he be better off trying to land a bench coach job somewhere in the majors instead of another AAA job? At least in that case if the manager gets canned he would likely become the interim manager getting his foot in the door(s) for a manager job down the road. If he couldn't find one, I'm sure he could get a different coaching spot somewhere for some team. Third base, first base, infielders, etc.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why are you so sure that he could? He has a ton of baggage coming with him now. Almost any manager is going to feel added pressure if their team does poorly if Sandberg is on the coaching staff due to the perception that he's trying his damndest to become a manager.

[Old Style]

Why are you so sure that he could? He has a ton of baggage coming with him now. Almost any manager is going to feel added pressure if their team does poorly if Sandberg is on the coaching staff due to the perception that he's trying his damndest to become a manager.

What bench coaches don't want to be managers?

[Sammy Sofa]

How many bench coaches come with the attention and push that Sandberg got in his attempt to become a manager AND his history as a player? It doesn't happen that often, and when it does it usually becomes a pain in the ass (see: Mattingly, Don.)

[toonsterwu]

Wouldn't he be better off trying to land a bench coach job somewhere in the majors instead of another AAA job? At least in that case if the manager gets canned he would likely become the interim manager getting his foot in the door(s) for a manager job down the road. If he couldn't find one, I'm sure he could get a different coaching spot somewhere for some team. Third base, first base, infielders, etc.

 

How many teams want a bench coach without major league experience? The only way that sort of works, IMO, is if you have a grizzled out vet who is fine with a guy like Ryno. There wasn't any situation like that this offseason.

 

That said, he probably should've waited it out to see if got offered, say, a 3rd base coaching job or some sort of Sinatro like job. Of course, maybe he had gotten indications that he wasn't going to get that type of offer. Either way ... I think it's good that he's getting experience in another organization and I wish him the best.

[Guest]

How many bench coaches come with the attention and push that Sandberg got in his attempt to become a manager AND his history as a player? It doesn't happen that often, and when it does it usually becomes a pain in the ass (see: Mattingly, Don.)

 

I think you're overstating the "attention and push Sandberg got in his attempt to become a manager". If anything, I'd think teams would shy away from Sandberg's attitude that led him to this point rather than fear of him making noise or people clamoring for him if he coached for them in a non-managerial role.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why are you so sure that he could? He has a ton of baggage coming with him now. Almost any manager is going to feel added pressure if their team does poorly if Sandberg is on the coaching staff due to the perception that he's trying his damndest to become a manager.

What bench coaches don't want to be managers?

 

A good deal of them. Zimmer was Torre's bench coach. Then he groomed some other guys who were not a threat to his job. Bench coaches are usually guys being groomed for a position by an experienced manager, or a former manager lending his expertise to a younger manager. I don't think many managers take on a bench coach they don't have a personal relationship with if that guy is trying to get a manager's job.

[jersey cubs fan]

How many bench coaches come with the attention and push that Sandberg got in his attempt to become a manager AND his history as a player? It doesn't happen that often, and when it does it usually becomes a pain in the ass (see: Mattingly, Don.)

 

I think you're overstating the "attention and push Sandberg got in his attempt to become a manager". If anything, I'd think teams would shy away from Sandberg's attitude that led him to this point rather than fear of him making noise or people clamoring for him if he coached for them in a non-managerial role.

 

Sandberg seems to think he'd be a distraction as everybody would clamor for him to take the job.

[Backtobanks]

Wouldn't he be better off trying to land a bench coach job somewhere in the majors instead of another AAA job? At least in that case if the manager gets canned he would likely become the interim manager getting his foot in the door(s) for a manager job down the road. If he couldn't find one, I'm sure he could get a different coaching spot somewhere for some team. Third base, first base, infielders, etc.

 

Sandberg only has a connection with Chicago and Philadelphia and doesn't have the resume to impress anyone into hiring him immediately. As for a ML coaching position, most managers pick people they've worked with or their friends to be their coaches. He probably picked the best job for a shot at eventually getting a ML position.

[cl smooth]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5813606

 

this issue isn't going to go away anytime soon...

 

Well, you know what, obviously there was disappointment at the end," Sandberg said on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "As I look back and see everybody involved in the interview process, I think the most games anybody saw me manage was 4-5 games, by everybody that I talked to. Based on that, I don't know how I would get hired for a job if nobody saw me doing my job elsewhere. That was kind of a disappointing part of the whole thing. But now that I see it, it's very obvious with the process and the final choice."

 

granted, ryno keeps talking about it when asked and won't stop beating the dead horse, but how much are the cubs to blame for this? hire one of the most popular players in your franchise's history (who also happens to be a hall of famer) to manage your minor league teams, putting him on the fast track yearly at the different minor league levels, essentially grooming him for the big-league managerial poisition later on down the line. once there's a managerial position available, you don't pick him and he gets butt-hurt. whether or not his managerial style fits you personally as a fan isn't the issue, but dangling the carrot out for him to become manager after lou left and then not give it to him was a mess waiting to happen. i as well as others am happy that quade received the job over sandberg, but this seems like a bukkake of dumb all over the place.

[Sammy Sofa]

Maybe they were counting on him to not be a greedy idiot.

[E.J.]

Ryno has like half a season of coaching experience. He needs to shut the hell up.