Sandberg leaves Cubs Organization

[Clem Fandango]

Let's play a game called "Who's managerial section on their Wikipedia biography is more impressive?"......

 

After retiring as a player, Quade was named the manager of the Macon Pirates, who he managed in 1985 and 1986. He managed the Rockford Expos in 1989 and 1990, the Harrisburg Senators in 1991 and 1992, the Ottawa Lynx in 1993, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons in 1994 and 1995, the West Michigan Whitecaps in 1996, the Huntsville Stars in 1997, the Edmonton Trappers in 1998, the Vancouver Canadians in 1999, and the Iowa Cubs from 2003-2006.

 

Quade was the Minor League Manager of the Year in 1991 with the Harrisburg Senators and 1993 with the Ottawa Lynx. In 1997, he managed the West Michigan Whitecaps to a league championship and the Águilas Cibaeñas to win the Caribbean World Series. He managed the Vancouver Canadians to victory in the 1999 AAA World Series.

 

Quade also served as the first base coach of the Oakland Athletics between 2000 and 2002 [2] as well as on the Chicago Cubs bench staff during the 2003 playoff run.

 

Quade won his 1,000th game as a minor league manager on April 18, 2004. During July of the 2006 season, Quade substituted for then Cubs third base coach Chris Speier.

 

In October 2006, Quade was named one of the five finalists for the 2007 Chicago Cubs managerial opening. Quade, along with AA manager Pat Listach, were two Cubs minor league candidates interviewed for the job opening. [3] Instead, former Tampa Bay Devil Rays manager Lou Piniella came out of retirement to accept the job. Quade was subsequently promoted to serve as the third base coach for the Cubs.

 

Quade was promoted to serve as interim manager of the Cubs after Piniella's sudden retirement on August 22, 2010.[4] On Oct. 19, the "interim" label was removed from his job title, and he was given a two-year contract with a club option for a third year to remain as manager of the Cubs.[5]

 

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Sandberg formerly served as a spring training instructor for the Cubs in Mesa, Arizona.

 

After the 2006 season, Sandberg was named manager of the Class-A Peoria Chiefs in the Midwest League. Following two seasons with Peoria, Sandberg was promoted to manager of the Double-A Tennessee Smokies, and the next year was named manager of the Triple-A Iowa Cubs. Sandberg was named Pacific Coast League Manager of the Year in 2010.[6]

 

SRSLY. 25 years experience vs. 4 years experience.

[Sammy Sofa]

HE DOESN'T GET WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A CUB, MAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN.

[jersey cubs fan]

But he will up and quit because of marital problems.

[erik316wttn]

I wonder if Raffy Palmeiro would have been invited to be the hitting coach.

[scarey]

For everyone who thinks Sandberg deserved the job, how many of you would be happy if we signed a HOF player who played his career for another team with only 4 years minor league managerial experience?

 

The fact of it is, if he weren't Ryne Sandberg, no one would want a guy whose only experience was managing once at each level from A-AAA.

 

His experience as a coach/manager is still very limited.

 

I may be mistaken, but I don't think you'll find anyone really on this board that feels Sandberg deserved the job. Most the people defending him in this thread just feel the hatred towards him is unwaranted.

[Wheelimus]

Really the only sour grapes I've seen have all been on us fans side. Yes, Ryno wanted the job and was disappointed he didn't get it. And after not getting it and reading the tea leaves he's decided to look for another organization where, maybe, he can work his way up to MLB Manager. SHOCKING. I'm sure none of us have ever changed employers because we decided the job opportunities weren't sufficient.

 

I don't think it even goes as far as being told the team would NEVER be interested in him again. He's likely to go somewhere else to manage AAA for a couple of years. By the time that's over, hopefully, he'd have to interview with the NEW GM to see where things are at. If Quade has been canned or moved on to a less sinking ship who knows what the future may hold.

[Sammy Sofa]

So then why not just stick to managing in the Cubs' farm system?

[Wheelimus]

Because the Cubs just hired a new manager and thus the next opportunity is probably 2 years (if things go terrible and Jimbo goes) to 5 years away. He'd probably feel better in a situation managing AAA for a team whose own manager is on the hot seat. More of a hope to be named a manager in June, luck your way to .500, and wind up the permanent choice.

[SouthSideRyan]

How often are AAA managers promoted to interim/full-time managers within the same organization??

[Sammy Sofa]

Because the Cubs just hired a new manager and thus the next opportunity is probably 2 years (if things go terrible and Jimbo goes) to 5 years away. He'd probably feel better in a situation managing AAA for a team whose own manager is on the hot seat. More of a hope to be named a manager in June, luck your way to .500, and wind up the permanent choice.

 

That doesn't usually happen, especially with someone who only has 4-5 years of managing experience in the minor leagues.

[Wheelimus]

Any job he picks based on the likelihood of parlaying it into a MLB managing gig would be long odds, at best. It's just a betting man would pick 15% odds over 5%.

 

It's becoming pretty clear that nobody is beating his door down for one of the dwindling MLB gigs left. He has to start thinking about placing himself in the best position to achieve his goals. Long odds beat even longer odds.

[Guest]

If he's in the Cubs organization, other teams may be somewhat reluctant to contact him as there could be a perception of him being a "Cubs or nothing" kind of guy. I think his ambitions are better served if he can get a job managing AAA or being a bench coach within a different organization. It removes any perceived sense of entitlement, gives him a broader perspective and insight into how multiple organizations run things, etc.

 

Personally, I'm glad he isn't manager as I don't think he's ready and I don't agree with some of his stated philosophies. I'm also in the camp that I don't want his Cub legacy tarnished by being the manager of potentially crappy teams. But I don't see any reason to say he handled this particular situation with anything but class.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd think maintaining a level of success at one position would help just as much if not more than happening to be in an organization that failed enough at the major league level to need a new manager. I mean what now, does he hold out only for AAA managing jobs where the manager is on the hot seat to start the season? How many AAA managing jobs are even open in a given year?

[Wheelimus]

He's obviously holding out for something more promising than AAA Iowa skipper. Only he really knows what's going through his head. Heh, would make a great NSBB interview if someone could make it happen!

 

In the end as his fan I just want him to do what makes him happiest. Seems it isn't in our organization and that isn't a big deal to me. Good luck and all that but at the end of the day I focus on the Cubs. Or maybe I'm just too pumped that Joe Morgan is unemployed to let anything get me down.

[Clem Fandango]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5783952

 

Ryne Sandberg, who recently decided not to return as the Chicago Cubs' Triple-A manager, is a candidate for the same position with the Philadelphia Phillies, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

 

Phillies' assistant general manager in charge of player development Chuck LaMar told the paper that he hopes to have the vacancy with the Triple-A Lehigh Valley IronPigs "filled in the near future."

 

The Inquirer quoted a source with knowledge of the situation saying Sandberg, who was the Phillies' 20th-round draft pick in 1978, is among the candidates to replace Dave Huppert.

[wvcbxl]

I lol'd at Muskat ... again.

 

The Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting Ryne Sandberg is among the candidates for the Phillies' managerial vacancy at Triple-A Lehigh Valley. However, Cubs sources said Tuesday they are not aware of the Phillies' request to talk to Sandberg.

 

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/

 

Unless Sandberg is on a multi-year deal with the Cubs organization, the Phillies don't need to request anything.

[Robert23]

To comment on Sandberg only have 4 years of experience. When looking at other big name managers like Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, and Lou Piniella. None of those guys had as much experience as Sandberg before becoming managers. Ultimately I don't think you can knock him for not having enough experience. Now I'm glad Sandberg wasn't chosen but for different reasons than his years of experience.

[jersey cubs fan]

To comment on Sandberg only have 4 years of experience. When looking at other big name managers like Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, and Lou Piniella. None of those guys had as much experience as Sandberg before becoming managers. Ultimately I don't think you can knock him for not having enough experience. Now I'm glad Sandberg wasn't chosen but for different reasons than his years of experience.

 

Some of those guys are very smart, or went right into coaching after playing. They didn't quit their team because their wife was unfaithful then walk away for a while only to express an interest in coaching several years later.

[SouthSideRyan]

To comment on Sandberg only have 4 years of experience. When looking at other big name managers like Joe Girardi, Joe Torre, Tony Larussa, and Lou Piniella. None of those guys had as much experience as Sandberg before becoming managers. Ultimately I don't think you can knock him for not having enough experience. Now I'm glad Sandberg wasn't chosen but for different reasons than his years of experience.

 

The issue is that the pro-Sandberg people seem to be saying he should get the job because of his experience.

[Wheelimus]

Going to Philly does make sense though. Charlie won't be around too many more years and there isn't a "heir apparent" already. Might be a good gig to wind up managing a quality franchise.

[toonsterwu]

 

 

At the same time, I understand why the cubs were hesitant to hire him. What baffles me is that Quade was given a 2 year deal.

 

Why is the 2 year deal odd? Std. practice for a inexperienced manager tends to be either a 2 or 3 year deal. He has a 2013 club option, so he got something in the middle.

[toonsterwu]

I've made my thoughts on this known at other sites, but I'll loosely chime in here.

 

I thought Ryno was a decent candidate, but I thought Quade was clearly the better candidate and was very pleased when he got the job.

 

As for Ryno ... I think it was in everyone's interest that Ryno left. For the Cubs, having the specter of Ryno hang out there was unfair to Quade. Now, I wouldn't have been against Ryno filling some role on Quade's staff, but Quade should have some say on who he wants. Furthermore, I definitely didn't want Ryno, an inexperienced coach, as the bench coach, often considered the next guy, as the advisor to a relatively inexperienced manager. That seemed like a bad combination.

 

For Ryno ... I think, for lack of a better term, he needs to increase his network. I think he's often viewed as a Cubs guy, and learning about other organizations will only help him out. Personally, if I'm Ryno, I look more towards an organization like the Mets, with their new and "modern" leadership, than the Phillies, which is still more of an "old school" organization.

 

One thing to be said that others have said in this thread - the Cubs were fair to Ryno. It seems like, in the immediate aftermath of the Quade move, that a lot of people thought Ryno had been wronged, and I kept pointing out elsewhere how ridiculous that was, and it's good to see others that feel that way. By most accounts, the Cubs never badmouthed Ryno. Unlike Quade, there simply wasn't anyone knocking on Ryno's door (there was some spec/rumors on Quade, nothing concrete). The Cubs rushed him up the ladder when many others have spent multiple years in the lower levels. His name recognition grew as a result of the Cubs pushing him. He lost a job, and everyone points out how he called Hendry's bluff, but no one seems to remember that Quade was basically told that he needed major league experience last time around, and he added that to his resume.

 

All in all, it's for the best that both parties parted. I wish Ryno the best, and I could see a situation where he would be a solid manager somewhere down the line

[Old Style]

For everyone who thinks Sandberg deserved the job, how many of you would be happy if we signed a HOF player who played his career for another team with only 4 years minor league managerial experience?

 

The fact of it is, if he weren't Ryne Sandberg, no one would want a guy whose only experience was managing once at each level from A-AAA.

 

His experience as a coach/manager is still very limited.

 

I may be mistaken, but I don't think you'll find anyone really on this board that feels Sandberg deserved the job. Most the people defending him in this thread just feel the hatred towards him is unwaranted.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

 

At the same time, I understand why the cubs were hesitant to hire him. What baffles me is that Quade was given a 2 year deal.

 

Why is the 2 year deal odd? Std. practice for a inexperienced manager tends to be either a 2 or 3 year deal. He has a 2013 club option, so he got something in the middle.

 

2 years with a club option isn't really in the middle of 2 or 3. The benefits of a longer contract is you have more guaranteed. The benefits of the shorter contract is you can renegotiate sooner or become a free agent. I would assume he would have preferred a straight 2 rather than giving the team an option for year 3. Right now he's not getting the benefit of a 3 or a 2.

[Old Style]

 

 

At the same time, I understand why the cubs were hesitant to hire him. What baffles me is that Quade was given a 2 year deal.

 

Why is the 2 year deal odd? Std. practice for a inexperienced manager tends to be either a 2 or 3 year deal. He has a 2013 club option, so he got something in the middle.

 

2 years with a club option isn't really in the middle of 2 or 3. The benefits of a longer contract is you have more guaranteed. The benefits of the shorter contract is you can renegotiate sooner or become a free agent. I would assume he would have preferred a straight 2 rather than giving the team an option for year 3. Right now he's not getting the benefit of a 3 or a 2.

I would think that he'd rather have a longer deal than a shorter one. More guaranteed money that way. If he gets a long term deal and has a lot of success, he can renegotiate for better terms. If he has a short term deal and doesn't have success, he is out of a job with no buyout.