2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Sammy Sofa]

I wouldn't really expect them to be a good road team as most teams are much better at home. And I have little doubt this team is just going to roll over or collapse in important games simply because they're on the road. A loss like tonight's (or against other bad teams) has little reflection when it comes to the road games they'll be playing in the playoffs.

 

You really expected them to be a great road team? That seems like a really unrealistic expectation.

[bukie]

I guess I'll just have to hope the Bulls don't play every game like they played tonight. Hard to imagine, though, since I'm sure this game is more meaningful than the previous 54, and I'm sure it indicates a trend.

 

Like that 30 point loss to the Magic in the first game Boozer was back.

[UMFan83]

I wouldn't really expect them to be a good road team as most teams are much better at home. And I have little doubt this team is just going to roll over or collapse in important games simply because they're on the road. A loss like tonight's (or against other bad teams) has little reflection when it comes to the road games they'll be playing in the playoffs.

 

You really expected them to be a great road team? That seems like a really unrealistic expectation.

 

I didn't expect them to be a good road team. But for a team that wins at an 86% clip at home, 50% on the road is a huge gap. It's hard to look at a difference in winning % that large and conclude that the road record is because teams typically don't play as well on the road. They don't, but not that much of a difference.

 

If you look at all the teams with .600 winning percentage or better, the Bulls have the worst road record.

 

16-9

21-10

13-13 (Bulls)

15-13

17-13

21-8

19-8

19-11

16-12

 

Just for fun:

 

Home points scored: 99.9

Home points allowed: 89.9

 

Road points scored: 97.3

Road points allowed: 96.2

 

Doesn't really add to the point, as you would expect a .500 road team to have that type of splits, just felt like posting it since we're talking about H vs. R

Edited February 24, 2011 by UMFan83

[Sammy Sofa]

It doesn't mean [expletive] in crunch time. Trust me. For once, don't worry yourself until you poop blood.

[bcl412]

It tells me they don't give a [expletive] when they play bad/average teams on the road. It's annoying and will cost them the number 1 or 2 seed most likely but there are worse things that could happen.

[UMFan83]

It doesn't mean [expletive] in crunch time. Trust me. For once, don't worry yourself until you poop blood.

 

? you are odd. All I said is that the Bulls are mediocre on the road. It's pretty clear that this is true. The rest of the argument is just you putting words in my mouth.

 

But to aid the topic you brought up of crunch time, 2 years ago the Bulls were an awful road team (Not just mediocre) and finished 13-28. We went on to play Boston in the first round, who was 35-6 at home this year. We won game 1 in Boston, lost in the final seconds in game 2, should have won but lost in OT in game 5, and played competitively losing by around 10 in game 7. So yeah, things change in the playoffs.

 

Doesnt change that they are a mediocre road team right now.

 

edit: I didn't mean you were odd bcl412. Although you are a Packers and Cubs fan.

[bukie]

Could be worse. They could have lost at home to the Kings.

[Sammy Sofa]

It doesn't mean [expletive] in crunch time. Trust me. For once, don't worry yourself until you poop blood.

 

? you are odd. All I said is that the Bulls are mediocre on the road. It's pretty clear that this is true. The rest of the argument is just you putting words in my mouth.

 

Well, it's just weighing your reputation as NSBB's overly wordy worrywart as a whole. You seem to continually be looking for things to over-analyze, especially negative ones, and I think you're trying too hard in this case yet again. No, it's not doom & gloom, "only the Cobs"-erik-type nonsense, but still, I think you're placing too much stock into games that don't reflect how well this team plays against good teams and when it's an important game.

 

I'd call them inconsistent, not mediocre. They pulled off winning records for their two big west coast trips so far, and I place much more stock into that than scattered losses to bad teams. A loss like tonight isn't indicative of any kind of problematic trend that's going to sidetrack them when it counts.

[Wilson A2000]

There are 10 teams with more road victories in the NBA than the Bulls. They aren't terrible, but they obviously could be better. But when you miss Boozer and Noah for nearly the whole season, don't expect to be over .500 on the road.

[UMFan83]

You got all that from "the bulls are a mediocre road team"? Very random.

[Sammy Sofa]

You got all that from "the bulls are a mediocre road team"? Very random.

 

Like I said, it's the collective body of work. And seemingly using this game to highlight your conclusion based largely on generalizations and specifically pointing out losses to bad teams while merely glossing over impressive road wins and the west coast road trips.

 

Like I said, inconsistent. Yeah, they lost in Toronto tonight...but they also beat the holy [expletive] [expletive] out of the Raptors in Toronto, too. So...yeah? I just don't see much of anything from their overall road performance this year that indicates this is indicative of a glaring problem or trend that's going to be something to worry about in the playoffs or really anything meaningful the rest of the season. If it's an important road game they're going to be out for blood. The shitty road losses don't really mean much of anything.

Edited February 24, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[SpongeWorthy]

c/s on UMFan spergering out about certain things but the road record is a valid point. 13-13 just isn't good.

[Sammy Sofa]

c/s on UMFan spergering out about certain things but the road record is a valid point. 13-13 just isn't good.

 

It's average. It also requires people to actually look how that record is broken down. Given the injuries they've dealt with this year I take much more away from the 13 wins than the 13 losses. What means more in the big picture...losing scattered games to the Nets or the Raptors or winning the west coast trips and beating big teams on the road? When it's "mattered" on the road this year they've pulled it together and looked impressive. I think that speaks much more as to how they'll do on the road against good teams and in the playoffs.

[17 Seconds]

considering the fact that the united center is a morgue during games, i'm not too concerned about the home/road splits. seems more like a sample size thing.

 

based on the type of character this team has (especially noah/rose), i feel good about our chances on the road in the postseason when the stakes are high and everybody in the building hates them. noah, for one, loves that [expletive].

[17 Seconds]

oh, and even though the embarrassing defense was the reason they lost this game, there was still that one glaring weakness when i looked at the box after the game (didnt get to watch it live)

 

rose- 30/10

boozer- 24/6

noah- 7/16

deng- 19/2

bogans- 3/1

 

i know he doesn't really get starters minutes, but jesus. are wer seriously going into the playoffs with this guy as our starting SG. i can't believe that they aren't making a move. we don't even have to get somebody good.... just somebody that isn't a complete corpse.

 

is there another player in the NBA who starts and doesn't have at least ONE thing he does well?

[SouthSideRyan]

I just saw on BTF that the Raptors didn't hit a single 3 in the game. That seems...outrageous.

[Guest]

I just saw on BTF that the Raptors didn't hit a single 3 in the game. That seems...outrageous.

 

From Elias Sports Bureau in the ESPN recap...

 

For the third time this season, the Toronto Raptors did not make a 3-pointer. (They were 0-5 from the 3-point line on Wednesday against the Bulls.) Earlier this season their streak of 986 consecutive games with a made three-pointer came to an end. Wednesday marks only the second time in franchise history that the Raptors won a game in which they did not make a 3-pointer. The other instance was Nov. 4, 1997. That day, they went 0-for-7 behind the arc in a 104-86 win over the Golden State Warriors.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just saw on BTF that the Raptors didn't hit a single 3 in the game. That seems...outrageous.

 

From Elias Sports Bureau in the ESPN recap...

 

For the third time this season, the Toronto Raptors did not make a 3-pointer. (They were 0-5 from the 3-point line on Wednesday against the Bulls.) Earlier this season their streak of 986 consecutive games with a made three-pointer came to an end. Wednesday marks only the second time in franchise history that the Raptors won a game in which they did not make a 3-pointer. The other instance was Nov. 4, 1997. That day, they went 0-for-7 behind the arc in a 104-86 win over the Golden State Warriors.

 

That's gotta be close to a points scored record without a 3 (since the rule change obviously)

[Flames24Rulz]

oh, and even though the embarrassing defense was the reason they lost this game, there was still that one glaring weakness when i looked at the box after the game (didnt get to watch it live)

 

rose- 30/10

boozer- 24/6

noah- 7/16

deng- 19/2

bogans- 3/1

 

i know he doesn't really get starters minutes, but jesus. are wer seriously going into the playoffs with this guy as our starting SG. i can't believe that they aren't making a move. we don't even have to get somebody good.... just somebody that isn't a complete corpse.

 

is there another player in the NBA who starts and doesn't have at least ONE thing he does well?

 

It boggles the mind how we're probably just going to stand pat with Bogans as the starting 2 guard. Again, I'm totally fine with just adding Anthony Parker. At least he can make an open jump shot.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure Anthony Parker could be had for that 1st rounder they just got for Johnson. The Cavs' strategy seems to be to load up on as many picks as possible in the worst draft in years.

[Flames24Rulz]

It tells me they don't give a [expletive] when they play bad/average teams on the road. It's annoying and will cost them the number 1 or 2 seed most likely but there are worse things that could happen.

 

That's exactly what last night was. It was obvious in the second quarter that they didn't give a [expletive] out there and they were half-assing it.

 

They've done that quite a bit this season against the really bad teams in the league. Usually, they get away with it because Rose bails them out. He nearly did it again last night and he would've done it again if the defensive effort was there down the stretch.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm pretty sure Anthony Parker could be had for that 1st rounder they just got for Johnson. The Cavs' strategy seems to be to load up on as many picks as possible in the worst draft in years.

 

Interesting strategy Cotton

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure Anthony Parker could be had for that 1st rounder they just got for Johnson. The Cavs' strategy seems to be to load up on as many picks as possible in the worst draft in years.

 

Interesting strategy Cotton

 

I can understand it to a certain extent. The Cavs aren't going to get back to the top of the East(especially in it's current state) through FA's and trades, and it's probably more likely GM's are underrating this draft class than they are underrating future first round picks. They've already got 2 lottery picks now and the top pick in round 2. If they add another at the back end of the first round, then you hope to hit on one of the lottery picks, and then get a rotation big(say, Mk Morris) and rotation guard(say, Lace Dunn) with the back two, that's a lot of progress in a weak draft.

[wolf stansson]

Bulls are after Jared Dudley. Intriguing. Great locker room guy, efficient role player and wouldn't demand the ball at all. Can knock down a 3. Basically a young, athletic replacement for Bogans in the SG rotation with Brewer and Korver. He's not a piece to build around but if he's cheap I like him more than Lee or Parker.

[ConstableRabbit]

considering the fact that the united center is a morgue during games, i'm not too concerned about the home/road splits. seems more like a sample size thing.

 

based on the type of character this team has (especially noah/rose), i feel good about our chances on the road in the postseason when the stakes are high and everybody in the building hates them. noah, for one, loves that [expletive].

So the only factor that comes into play with home-road splits is crowd volume/engagement?