2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[SouthSideRyan]

Fair enough, but I think it's funny how Carmelo went from being the missing piece for the Bulls to a guy who isn't one of the 20 best players in the NBA.

 

Where are you getting that? Surely not from this thread.

 

Ha.

 

People thought Melo was the missing piece in that they were willing to give up the generous package of Keith Bogans and Cliff Levingston for him.

[Tyrant]

I think the Bulls should have made some sort of run at Melo/Nene for Deng/Noah/picks whatever else it took type deal.

 

I don't know if Denver was ever looking to trade both Nene and Carmelo. And it's arguable that the trade would have made the Bulls any better. Offensively, sure. But it would have really hurt defensively and on the boards.

 

If we had gotten Joe Johnson over the offseason, I think we'd be considered as good as anyone right now.

 

Signing Joe Johnson to a max deal would have killed any title hopes the Bulls had in the next five years. The guy is already starting to slip and it'll only get worse from here.

 

Also, for everyone talking about the Bulls not having a second elite player, people should at least consider the possibility that Noah is an elite player. The only centers I'd take over him are Howard and Horford, and Horford is arguably more of a power forward. Someone doesn't have to score over 20 ppg to be elite and Noah affects the game in enough other ways to be considered an elite player. I guess it depends where you draw your own arbitrary definition of 'elite.'

[bukie]

Also, for everyone talking about the Bulls not having a second elite player, people should at least consider the possibility that Noah is an elite player. The only centers I'd take over him are Howard and Horford, and Horford is arguably more of a power forward. Someone doesn't have to score over 20 ppg to be elite and Noah affects the game in enough other ways to be considered an elite player. I guess it depends where you draw your own arbitrary definition of 'elite.'

I think I still might take Garnett over Noah this year (in terms of basketball ability), but certainly Noah going forward. If Pau counts as a center, I'd take him ahead of Noah, too. Love is also a really good player, and is in the discussion. Noah is a top 25 NBA player, though, for sure, and a definite all-star.

[SouthSideRyan]

KG isn't really a center.

[davell]

Yeah, we're getting into arbitrary stuff with the "elite" player talk and I'm the one that started it, so I'll squash that immediately. :D

 

I mentioned Johnson, because I didn't think Atlanta would offer him a full max deal. I was actually thinking we'd be able to land him for Boozer money or something similar honestly. You're right though, I don't want him at the price he got.

 

As far as his play being down, I'm not going to look too far into it personally. His 3's are down quite a bit, but everything else looks to be in line. I'll be honest, I think I've seen Atlanta play 3-4 times this year, so I can't say whether his 3's are down because he's missing open jumpers or if it's because he's being forced to take quite a few late in the shotclock type rushed 3's or whether it's just that he's having an "off" year.

 

As for Noah, to me, he's the epitomy of an "intangibles" guy. His stats are solid, but they're probably never going to be eye-popping either. Personally, if I'm going to consider someone as a bigtime player, he's going to have to at least be a threat offensively at the end of games.(playoffs mostly) And I just don't consider Noah to be that and don't think he ever will be. And I'm not knocking Noah, as he's great at what he does and I think any team out there would LOVE to have a guy like him on their squad, but I don't think he's putting anyone in our position(1 superstar) over the top, because I think his offense is pretty well limited.

[Formerly Snayke]

Fair enough, but I think it's funny how Carmelo went from being the missing piece for the Bulls to a guy who isn't one of the 20 best players in the NBA.

 

Where are you getting that? Surely not from this thread.

 

Ha.

 

Strong argument.

 

find any way that you can to ship deng and make a run at carmelo, that's it, that is literally all that you can do to ensure competition with the heat.

 

carmelo does nothing for me. well, maybe a little more than nothing, but he doesn't wow me.

 

he's not going to rebound, pass or defend, and his shooting percentages are nothing special. His value is all tied in the amount of times he gets to the free throw line and the fact that he's a good FT shooter. Not that i'm knocking him for that, KD doesn't average 30 a game without the 9 FTs he hits per game.

 

I'd do the trade, but I just don't see Carmelo as anything more than a one-dimensional scorer. Now that I typed that though, I just realized that that's kind of exactly what the Bulls need, so I should take back this entire post and say that he'd be perfect for chicago.

 

carmelo and rose are the perfect compliments.

 

Yeah, I started picturing that as I was typing and it dawned on me how absolutely physical they would be. It would be like hitting a football team with two 250 pound running backs. Both of them are pretty bullish.

 

Hurry up and do the trade so I can see them on opening night, you whores

 

I just don't think it's a good thing to reject the idea because acquiring Melo does not by itself win us the championship.

 

Should never completely reject the thought of acquiring one of the top 5-7 players in the game for any reason.

 

That's exactly why you trade for Carmelo. You can always find a guy pretty similar to Noah. Rose is great, but he isn't the guy on a championship team.

 

Yeah the All Star argument. A guy who is a first or second all NBA is has a better WARP than Noah any day. It would be basketball stupid not to give up Noah for him. Horford, Nene, Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, and Dalembert are all FAs in July and while not quite as good as Noah are plenty serviceable and make for a better team with Carmelo.

 

The Bulls are just flat out missing something on offense. Hopefully that something is Boozer (although trading for Carmelo would be nice.)

win or lose, can we leave Denver with Carmelo (and w/o Deng)?

 

What I'm going to hate watching though, is Carmelo getting dealt to the Knicks. That will put them in the running unfortunately.

 

If the Carmelo to NJ trade hits a snag, I still think the Bulls should try to get in it. Is there any way it could work out financially?

[Formerly Snayke]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

[Tyrant]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

 

Which is exactly where most people still seem to stand.

[Keener98]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

 

So what you are saying is your comment about "Bulls fans thinking Carmelo was the missing piece and now hes not a top 10 player in the game" was wrong just like I said.

[Formerly Snayke]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

 

So what you are saying is your comment about "Bulls fans thinking Carmelo was the missing piece and now hes not a top 10 player in the game" was wrong just like I said.

 

No.

[Formerly Snayke]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

 

Which is exactly where most people still seem to stand.

 

Fine? My original statement was that the people were saying the Bulls needed Carmelo. Keener said if I had heard that, I didn't get it from here. But I did get it from here.

[bukie]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

I count two posters that were in favor of trading for Carmelo at basically any cost, and one of them thought that Rose wasn't a #1 player on a championship team and Noah was a role player, and the other thought Deng was awful and beyond useless.

 

The general consensus was that if Deng was going to continue to take awful shots and miss half the season, Anthony would provide the shooting that a terrible Bulls shooting team coming into the season would need.

 

Almost nobody was willing to part with Noah for him, but wanted the team to be able to work out a deal involving Deng and possibly Gibson for him, sacrificing defense (which the Bulls excelled at even last year) for offense (which the Bulls were just flat out awful at last year).

 

Turns out, though, that Deng can be good when he doesn't take all low-percentage shots (although it'd be nice if there were another viable SF on the roster so Thibs wouldn't run him into the ground), Rose has progressed into a superstar, Boozer provides just the kind of low-post offense the Bulls needed, and Thibs knows how to draw up actual offenses in ways VDN couldn't even dream about.

 

The glaring need is now at SG, and getting consistent offensive threat out of a guard other than Rose. Korver does that, but there's not enough Korver to get offense for the whole game.

[rawaction]

I'd still like the Bulls to get a 2G, but I'm not trading Asik for one. I'd much rather give up Taj Gibson and both #1s for next year, while trying to find another Gibson next year either in the draft or as a cheap FA.

[Keener98]

There's also people arguing against Carmelo, but it's more about not trading Noah to get him.

 

Which is exactly where most people still seem to stand.

 

Fine? My original statement was that the people were saying the Bulls needed Carmelo. Keener said if I had heard that, I didn't get it from here. But I did get it from here.

 

You said Bulls fans were saying hes the missing piece, not that the Bulls needed Melo. Majority of people here would gladly take Melo, but most were unwilling to give up Noah for him, and after seeing the Bulls play this year, NOONE has said that Melo was a missing piece. Most Bulls fans here have all said they just need a upgrade over Bogans after seeing this team play this year.

 

The stuff said now about Melo was said back then. Hes a scorer and thats it, and hes not very efficient at it.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Scottie Pippen is joining the tv broadcast for a Orlando regular season game and for the playoffs.

[SpongeWorthy]

Scottie's doing one regular season game and then every playoff game?

 

Who does he think he is? Jim Nantz?

 

I do think it's pretty cool but maybe some more airtime would be in order before he starts on playoff games.

[davell]

The RealGM board is the equivalent to here on deadline days. I guess we're after one of Lee/Parker/Mayo. No real surprise there, but someone mentioned Nick Young as a possibility and I gotta admit, if there was any truth to that, I'd like him more than these others for sure. And I like Mayo a decent amount anyway.

[Tyrant]

The RealGM board is the equivalent to here on deadline days. I guess we're after one of Lee/Parker/Mayo. No real surprise there, but someone mentioned Nick Young as a possibility and I gotta admit, if there was any truth to that, I'd like him more than these others for sure. And I like Mayo a decent amount anyway.

 

Why Young over Mayo?

[davell]

The RealGM board is the equivalent to here on deadline days. I guess we're after one of Lee/Parker/Mayo. No real surprise there, but someone mentioned Nick Young as a possibility and I gotta admit, if there was any truth to that, I'd like him more than these others for sure. And I like Mayo a decent amount anyway.

 

Why Young over Mayo?

 

 

Numbers don't show it all that much, but I think of Young as a better shooter personally. But, along with that, he's probably a better fit for team chemistry as well(some may not think it matters, but I think it's more important in basketball than baseball myself) and he's also 3 inches taller, which could help with matchups.

[Garwilly]

Nate Silver weighs in.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/deal-for-anthony-may-limit-knicks-upside/

[davell]

Nate Silver weighs in.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/deal-for-anthony-may-limit-knicks-upside/

 

 

Thanks for posting that. I thought it was about as good of an NBA article as I've read in quite some time.

[bukie]

Halfway through the first quarter, and Noah is on pace for 56 rebounds.

[Wilson A2000]

atdhe.net is down. Forever.

[Careless]

Noah had 7 rebounds in less than 6 minutes coming off his injury?

[Careless]

atdhe.net is down. Forever.

If by "down" you mean "slightly changed their domain"

http://atdhenet.tv/