NFL Week 7

lumafia · October 22, 2010

In reference to the hits, I'm not a big fan of the helmet to helment hits on guys that aren't "able" to brace for the impact. That being said, the fact that teammates of guys who are getting knocked unconscious aren't standing up for them makes me a little less concerned. If guys playing against James Harrison really cared about their teammates, it would be handled the way baseball and hockey handles it. Eye for an eye, and then it's over. If you don't like the fact that James Harrison is out there trying to knock your receivers unconscious on every play, you tell him before the game that if he wants the receivers on his team to leave the field under their own power, he needs to make sure his hits are clean. If not, he'll have to explain to his QB and/or receivers that the reason they spent the afternoon in an MRI machine is because his idea of seperating a receiver from the ball is turning himself into a torpedo.

Flames24Rulz · October 22, 2010

the difference in the bennet hit on the punter is so crystal clear that it's stupid what that idiot drew up. He's got defenders launched in the air with their head first going toward the opponents head. Bennett was on his feet and put his shoulder into the chest. It's really freaking simple, but leave it to these simpletons to not understand.

Well that's not an overreaction or anything.

Anyways, just read that Favre is 8-0 in his career against Dom Capers defenses.

And you were worried.

The Packers will still win, just thought I'd point that out. Cook is still iffy so Jennings should be running wide open all day.

I don't know, I'm not seeing it. Our offense has looked really average this season because, like the first half of last year, we're straying away from what this offense does best -- getting the ball to the WR's and having them create plays. We're seeing way too many long dropbacks from Rodgers and we're shooting ourselves in the foot because half the time, he's still running for his life due to a bad line.

On the bright side, Matthews and Pickett should be ready and we'll find out whether or not Harris and/or Bigby get activated sometime tomorrow. If the Vikes give the ball to Peterson 25 times, I don't see how we're going to win the game. Your offensive line should continue to own our defensive line, especially later in the game. Having no defensive line depth absolutely sucks.

DivineBovine · October 22, 2010

The Vikings watched it, and this drawing was the result. Chris Kluwe tweeted this pic...

Somebody's getting fined, I'd guess. Doesn't mean they're wrong, though.

They are wrong. It's a pretty easy rule to follow. The launching and the initial contact being made with the helmet and/or to the opponents helmet are really easy to not do.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81b80962/Player-safety

ProFootballTalk.com reports: The NFL distributed a training video to all teams showing nine hits, six of which were illegal and three that were OK. One of the permissible hits shown on the video -- which was required viewing for all players -- was the Bears' Earl Bennett blasting Seahawks punter Jon Ryan last Sunday during Devin Hester's punt-return touchdown.

"Now take a look at some positive plays," NFL executive vice-president of football operations Ray Anderson says while Bennett's hit is being shown (click here to view the NFL video). "These plays show hard, effective hits can be delivered within the rules. A punter pursuing on a kick play is a defenseless player under the rule. The Chicago player avoids an illegal hit by going shoulder-to-chest, yet delivers a solid blow that takes the punter out of the play. Nice adjustment made here to play within the rules and avoid blowing an opponent up."

The video also shows a hit by Ray Lewis where he was in the exact same situation as Harrison on Massaquoi, and similar to Robinson on Jackson. Lewis hit the receiver in the chest, with his shoulder. Lewis still made a highlight reel hit and defensive motivating play. Dustin Keller still did not catch the ball. Keller was still hurt, but was able to play the next week.

I think the video is quite clear. Shoulder in chest: OK. Helmet to helmet: not OK.

However, what I do wonder is how much control the defender actually has. These guys are moving fast, and changing positions fast. What if someone intends to hit his shoulder into the chest but ends up hitting his helmet into the head? How much control does the defender have when things are moving so fast? I don't have an answer to this question, as I've never played tackle football with 250 pounders who could run 4.5 40's.

SpongeWorthy · October 22, 2010

I have way too much time on my hands. The NFL Network is doing its countdown of the 100 greatest players of all time (and it's quite good...really good production values) and they're done 100-21 as listed below--the 2nd number is fan voting. I'm gonna see how many of the top 20 I can name and how close in order I get. Chances are I'm missing some leather helmet era players but whatever.

NFL Rank Fans Rank

21 20 Brady, Tom

22 26 Sayers, Gale

23 8 Elway, John

24 - Hannah, John

25 7 Marino, Dan

26 97 Lilly, Bob

27 92 Olsen, Merlin

28 10 Smith, Emmitt

29 41 Lambert, Jack

30 59 Train Lane, Night

31 33 Smith, Bruce

32 - Parker, Jim

33 - Luckman, Sid

34 19 Sanders, Deion

35 - Bednarik, Chuck

36 - Berry, Raymond

37 76 Thorpe, Jim

38 - Alworth, Lance

39 - Marchetti, Gino

40 44 Simpson, O.J.

41 23 Woodson, Rod

42 - Mackey, John

43 91 Page, Alan

44 65 Blount, Mel

45 45 Gonzalez, Tony

46 30 Staubach, Roger

47 67 Nitschke, Ray

48 - Grange, Red

49 - Haynes, Mike

50 22 Bradshaw, Terry

51 36 Starr, Bart

52 28 Dickerson, Eric

53 - Lanier, Willie

54 - Gregg, Forrest

55 35 Campbell, Earl

56 77 Upshaw, Gene

58 - Van Buren, Steve

58 15 Singletary, Mike

59 55 Ditka, Mike

60 70 Ham, Jack

61 31 Tomlinson, LaDainian

62 72 White, Randy

63 - Otto, Jim

64 - Adderley, Herb

65 24 Moss, Randy

66 - Brown, Willie

67 69 Winslow, Kellen

68 - Webster, Mike

69 - Bell, Bobby

70 21 Faulk, Marshall

71 - Warfield, Paul

72 81 Ogden, Jonathan

73 88 Newsome, Ozzie

74 - Motley, Marion

75 58 Green, Darrell

76 90 Shell, Art

77 37 Dorsett, Tony

78 79 Matthews, Bruce

79 - Tunnell, Emlen

80 25 Aikman, Troy

81 13 Young, Steve

82 - Hendricks, Ted

83 - Van Brocklin, Norm

84 - Schmidt, Joe

85 32 Allen, Marcus

86 - Davis, Willie

87 - Hirsch, Crazylegs

88 46 Reed, Ed

89 - Nevers, Ernie

90 27 Warner, Kurt

91 50 Tarkenton, Fran

92 40 Irvin, Michael

93 - Huff, Sam

94 - Moore, Lenny

95 89 Allen, Larry

96 - Hein, Mel

97 66 Brooks, Derrick

98 - Roy Selmon, Lee

99 47 Strahan, Michael

100 42 Namath, Joe

1. Jim Brown

2. Joe Montana

3. Lawrence Taylor

4. Jerry Rice

5. Johnny Unitas

6. Walter Payton

7. Sammy Baugh

8. Dick Butkus

9. Reggie White

10. Deacon Jones

11. Barry Sanders

12. Otto Graham

13. Don Hutson

14. Mean Joe Greene

15. Bronko Nagurski

16. Peyton Manning

17. Anthony Munoz

18. Ray Lewis

19. Ronnie Lott

20. Brett Favre (way too high)

Soul · October 22, 2010

It's a matter of instinct when things are moving that fast.

If you've been taught to hit with the shoulder, and not go up high, then in the heat of that moment your instinct will take over and very likely produce a clean hit.

And vice versa.

A player will probably have trouble going against what he's been taught to do his whole life.

Magnetic Curses · October 22, 2010

there's also a difference between diving to make a potential big play-saving tackle and launching yourself into the facemask of another player.

Exile on Waveland · October 22, 2010

Losing Clark is a huge blow (though it was pretty obvious he'd be out for the year from the comments made by the Colts). He's integral to the offense; and, in the past, has often been considered the third most important player on the team.

The injuries are disconcertingly piling up. Now, attempting to be optimistic, the injuries have occured at positions the Colts have a little more depth (in my opinion). By no means is this to say the replacements are equal to the starters, but the only one I would consider replacement-level, strong safety Aaron Francisco, has actually played competently the last two weeks. At tight end, Brody Eldridge has been real solid as a blocker, but is not much as a receiver. Jacob Tamme will be asked to fill the pass-receiving threat at tight end. I actually really like him. He was a fourth round pick and has excellent receiving skills. He has not had an opportunity to show it -- having Clark ahead of you is quite the hurdle -- but he may surprise some people. He has played well in the preseason, for what that's worth. Austin Collie is probably my favorite receiver on the team, but they still have Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, and Anthony Gonzalez. Most teams would love to have that triumverate. At running back, Joseph Addai has been really great this year, but the Colts have Donald Brown (former No. 1 draft pick) and Mike Hart (who has played well). I'm far more concerned about picking up the blitz and blocking from those two than I am their running.

The depth is being seriously tested and more injuries at those positions could be devastating. But, assuming Gonzalez and Brown can stay healthy (something they haven't proven capable of so far), the Colts could persist relatively well.

jersey cubs fan · October 22, 2010

However, what I do wonder is how much control the defender actually has.

One thing that was emphasized is you are responsible for what happens, so intent doesn't really matter. You can not intend to grab a facemask but if you reach out and the only thing there is a facemask and you grab it, it's a penalty. Guys who play an "on the edge" style run the risk of causing damage. You can say that's how he plays and shrug your shoulders or say, well if that is how you play then when bad things happen, like your helment hitting his helmet, you will be punished. Proper tackling technique will keep you from getting into trouble. It won't prevent every dangerous hit or injury, but you will be better off than the guys who launch themselves.

erik316wttn · October 22, 2010

I'm watching footage from the DVD the NFL sent out to the teams on ESPN. One of the VPs is doing the voice over explaining what kind of hits they like and don't like. I still can't understand what they wanted Robinson of the Falcons to do differently. He hit Jackson's chest with his own shoulder. That looked like a textbook hit. Where else did he want Robinson to hit him? In the waist? It really wasn't possible for him to get hit anywhere else.

The Vikings watched it, and this drawing was the result. Chris Kluwe tweeted this pic...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Banedon/180595196.jpg

Well, there's a fine.

hawkeyecub · October 22, 2010

I don't know, I'm not seeing it. Our offense has looked really average this season because, like the first half of last year, we're straying away from what this offense does best -- getting the ball to the WR's and having them create plays. We're seeing way too many long dropbacks from Rodgers and we're shooting ourselves in the foot because half the time, he's still running for his life due to a bad line.

On the bright side, Matthews and Pickett should be ready and we'll find out whether or not Harris and/or Bigby get activated sometime tomorrow. If the Vikes give the ball to Peterson 25 times, I don't see how we're going to win the game. Your offensive line should continue to own our defensive line, especially later in the game. Having no defensive line depth absolutely sucks.

I think it really will come down to pass rush. Last year the Vikes won because they murdered Rodgers and Favre was able to sit in the pocket all day and the few times they did blitz, he beat it. This year we've gotten little pass rush and the blitz has killed us.

Finley is clearly a stud but if his injury means you guys go 4 wide more often and target Jennings more, it may benefit you this game.

Chris Cook should play but will be the nickel, meaning Asher Allen is starting at CB and can get picked on. Lito is out so if Cook can't go, we're in serious trouble. Sounds like Sullivan will be starting at center.

rawaction · October 22, 2010

I have way too much time on my hands. The NFL Network is doing its countdown of the 100 greatest players of all time (and it's quite good...really good production values) and they're done 100-21 as listed below--the 2nd number is fan voting. I'm gonna see how many of the top 20 I can name and how close in order I get. Chances are I'm missing some leather helmet era players but whatever.

NFL Rank Fans Rank
21 20 Brady, Tom
22 26 Sayers, Gale
23 8 Elway, John
24 - Hannah, John
25 7 Marino, Dan
26 97 Lilly, Bob
27 92 Olsen, Merlin
28 10 Smith, Emmitt
29 41 Lambert, Jack
30 59 Train Lane, Night
31 33 Smith, Bruce
32 - Parker, Jim
33 - Luckman, Sid
34 19 Sanders, Deion
35 - Bednarik, Chuck
36 - Berry, Raymond
37 76 Thorpe, Jim
38 - Alworth, Lance
39 - Marchetti, Gino
40 44 Simpson, O.J.
41 23 Woodson, Rod
42 - Mackey, John
43 91 Page, Alan
44 65 Blount, Mel
45 45 Gonzalez, Tony
46 30 Staubach, Roger
47 67 Nitschke, Ray
48 - Grange, Red
49 - Haynes, Mike
50 22 Bradshaw, Terry
51 36 Starr, Bart
52 28 Dickerson, Eric
53 - Lanier, Willie
54 - Gregg, Forrest
55 35 Campbell, Earl
56 77 Upshaw, Gene
58 - Van Buren, Steve
58 15 Singletary, Mike
59 55 Ditka, Mike
60 70 Ham, Jack
61 31 Tomlinson, LaDainian
62 72 White, Randy
63 - Otto, Jim
64 - Adderley, Herb
65 24 Moss, Randy
66 - Brown, Willie
67 69 Winslow, Kellen
68 - Webster, Mike
69 - Bell, Bobby
70 21 Faulk, Marshall
71 - Warfield, Paul
72 81 Ogden, Jonathan
73 88 Newsome, Ozzie
74 - Motley, Marion
75 58 Green, Darrell
76 90 Shell, Art
77 37 Dorsett, Tony
78 79 Matthews, Bruce
79 - Tunnell, Emlen
80 25 Aikman, Troy
81 13 Young, Steve
82 - Hendricks, Ted
83 - Van Brocklin, Norm
84 - Schmidt, Joe
85 32 Allen, Marcus
86 - Davis, Willie
87 - Hirsch, Crazylegs
88 46 Reed, Ed
89 - Nevers, Ernie
90 27 Warner, Kurt
91 50 Tarkenton, Fran
92 40 Irvin, Michael
93 - Huff, Sam
94 - Moore, Lenny
95 89 Allen, Larry
96 - Hein, Mel
97 66 Brooks, Derrick
98 - Roy Selmon, Lee
99 47 Strahan, Michael
100 42 Namath, Joe

1. Jim Brown
2. Joe Montana
3. Lawrence Taylor
4. Jerry Rice
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Walter Payton
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Dick Butkus
9. Reggie White
10. Deacon Jones
11. Barry Sanders
12. Otto Graham
13. Don Hutson
14. Mean Joe Greene
15. Bronko Nagurski
16. Peyton Manning
17. Anthony Munoz
18. Ray Lewis
19. Ronnie Lott
20. Brett Favre (way too high)

Cool. I thought about trying this. I don't think I can do all 20. But my top 10.

1. Jim Brown

2. Joe Montana

3. Walter Payton

4. Jerry Rice

5. Dick Butkus

6. Lawrence Taylor

7. Peyton Manning

8. Barry Sanders

9. Johnny Unitas

10 Sammy Baugh

I'm interested to see who is higher of the Colts QBs. I think NFL Network will go w/ Peyton over Unitas.

ELCABALLO45 · October 23, 2010

the difference in the bennet hit on the punter is so crystal clear that it's stupid what that idiot drew up. He's got defenders launched in the air with their head first going toward the opponents head. Bennett was on his feet and put his shoulder into the chest. It's really freaking simple, but leave it to these simpletons to not understand.

Well that's not an overreaction or anything.

Anyways, just read that Favre is 8-0 in his career against Dom Capers defenses.

And you were worried.

The Packers will still win, just thought I'd point that out. Cook is still iffy so Jennings should be running wide open all day.

I don't know, I'm not seeing it. Our offense has looked really average this season because, like the first half of last year, we're straying away from what this offense does best -- getting the ball to the WR's and having them create plays. We're seeing way too many long dropbacks from Rodgers and we're shooting ourselves in the foot because half the time, he's still running for his life due to a bad line.

On the bright side, Matthews and Pickett should be ready and we'll find out whether or not Harris and/or Bigby get activated sometime tomorrow. If the Vikes give the ball to Peterson 25 times, I don't see how we're going to win the game. Your offensive line should continue to own our defensive line, especially later in the game. Having no defensive line depth absolutely sucks.

Yeah I am worried/excited about this game but more worried. I am thinking Harris plays and Bigby doesn't. And I would guess Anthony Smith starts at S. Which means Woodson will cover Harvin in the slot, Tramon will be on Moss and Harris will be on Berrian. Chillar should return and will cover Shaincoe.

Getting Clay and Pickett back will be huge, especially without Mike Neal being active again. (He needs to be healthy, he could be a beast). If we can get pressure on Favre for the first time ever, the Packers do have a chance at winning. However I don't have a good feeling about this and I am worried about Peterson. Vikings by 3.

bcl412 · October 23, 2010

Honestly I don't see how the Packers score on the Vikings when they aren't scoring on anyone else. Plus the defense is going to have a tough time stopping the Vikings. Their strengths just play too much into our weaknesses I think.

That being said I'm picking a 27-10 Packers win for no reason at all.

hawkeyecub · October 23, 2010

Honestly I don't see how the Packers score on the Vikings when they aren't scoring on anyone else.

You've seen what Rodgers has done against the Vikings when he's upright, correct?

bcl412 · October 23, 2010

Honestly I don't see how the Packers score on the Vikings when they aren't scoring on anyone else.

You've seen what Rodgers has done against the Vikings when he's upright, correct?

Yeah, but that was when the Packers offense actually scored points. That doesn't really happen anymore.

DivineBovine · October 23, 2010

I have way too much time on my hands. The NFL Network is doing its countdown of the 100 greatest players of all time (and it's quite good...really good production values) and they're done 100-21 as listed below--the 2nd number is fan voting. I'm gonna see how many of the top 20 I can name and how close in order I get. Chances are I'm missing some leather helmet era players but whatever.

NFL Rank Fans Rank
21 20 Brady, Tom
22 26 Sayers, Gale
23 8 Elway, John
24 - Hannah, John
25 7 Marino, Dan
26 97 Lilly, Bob
27 92 Olsen, Merlin
28 10 Smith, Emmitt
29 41 Lambert, Jack
30 59 Train Lane, Night
31 33 Smith, Bruce
32 - Parker, Jim
33 - Luckman, Sid
34 19 Sanders, Deion
35 - Bednarik, Chuck
36 - Berry, Raymond
37 76 Thorpe, Jim
38 - Alworth, Lance
39 - Marchetti, Gino
40 44 Simpson, O.J.
41 23 Woodson, Rod
42 - Mackey, John
43 91 Page, Alan
44 65 Blount, Mel
45 45 Gonzalez, Tony
46 30 Staubach, Roger
47 67 Nitschke, Ray
48 - Grange, Red
49 - Haynes, Mike
50 22 Bradshaw, Terry
51 36 Starr, Bart
52 28 Dickerson, Eric
53 - Lanier, Willie
54 - Gregg, Forrest
55 35 Campbell, Earl
56 77 Upshaw, Gene
58 - Van Buren, Steve
58 15 Singletary, Mike
59 55 Ditka, Mike
60 70 Ham, Jack
61 31 Tomlinson, LaDainian
62 72 White, Randy
63 - Otto, Jim
64 - Adderley, Herb
65 24 Moss, Randy
66 - Brown, Willie
67 69 Winslow, Kellen
68 - Webster, Mike
69 - Bell, Bobby
70 21 Faulk, Marshall
71 - Warfield, Paul
72 81 Ogden, Jonathan
73 88 Newsome, Ozzie
74 - Motley, Marion
75 58 Green, Darrell
76 90 Shell, Art
77 37 Dorsett, Tony
78 79 Matthews, Bruce
79 - Tunnell, Emlen
80 25 Aikman, Troy
81 13 Young, Steve
82 - Hendricks, Ted
83 - Van Brocklin, Norm
84 - Schmidt, Joe
85 32 Allen, Marcus
86 - Davis, Willie
87 - Hirsch, Crazylegs
88 46 Reed, Ed
89 - Nevers, Ernie
90 27 Warner, Kurt
91 50 Tarkenton, Fran
92 40 Irvin, Michael
93 - Huff, Sam
94 - Moore, Lenny
95 89 Allen, Larry
96 - Hein, Mel
97 66 Brooks, Derrick
98 - Roy Selmon, Lee
99 47 Strahan, Michael
100 42 Namath, Joe

1. Jim Brown
2. Joe Montana
3. Lawrence Taylor
4. Jerry Rice
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Walter Payton
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Dick Butkus
9. Reggie White
10. Deacon Jones
11. Barry Sanders
12. Otto Graham
13. Don Hutson
14. Mean Joe Greene
15. Bronko Nagurski
16. Peyton Manning
17. Anthony Munoz
18. Ray Lewis
19. Ronnie Lott
20. Brett Favre (way too high)

Agreed about Favre.

I'm not old enough to have seen all these guys play, but kudos to the NFL network to have ranked Peyton Manning higher than Tom Brady and Barry Sanders higher than Emmit Smith. So Superbowl wins don't necessarily mean everything in these rankings.

Flames24Rulz · October 23, 2010

None of our PUP guys will be activated for tomorrow. [expletive].

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

None of our PUP guys will be activated for tomorrow. [expletive].

Yeah, that sucks.

dew1679666265 · October 24, 2010

No Vince tomorrow, it appears. That leaves Kerry Collins as the starter and Rusty Smith as the backup.

The defense has got to play well for us to win.

hawkeyecub · October 24, 2010

None of our PUP guys will be activated for tomorrow. [expletive].

Sweet. Would trade them for Matthews to be out though.

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

I love Roddy White

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

Someone needs to tell ESPN that the Cinci/Atl game is actually going on.

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

Browns 10

Saints 0

Bills 7

Ravens 3

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

Roddy White 6 catches 157 yards 1td

11 min to go, IN THE FIRST HALF!

ELCABALLO45 · October 24, 2010

Buffalo 17

Baltimore 3

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