Bears game 2: Sunday Sep. 19 at DAL on Fox

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand why some people are acting as if scoring off a turnover means you didn't actually score. The Bears can get the ball on the opponents 1 and not score. Detroit did actually have to move the ball to makes those scores, and they did it. Chicago had a huge field position advantage and hardly took advantage of it.

 

So we can't take turnovers into account when we compare yardage differential, but we can take injuries into account.

 

Anyway, I'm done talking about that game. Ultimately it doesn't matter. That game is over and Stafford isn't gonna be back anytime soon to show us what an awesome QB he is.

 

If we have as many turnovers this week as we did last week, we'll lose.

 

You can take them into account, but it really doesn't matter how the team got the ball, they got it, drove and scored. Chicago started at the Detroit 1 and the Detroit 41 and got zero points out of it.

 

And yes injuries matter, especially when it's the QB and the result of the QB getting hurt is that the opponent essentially closed up shop for a quarter.

[Banedon]

I don't understand why some people are acting as if scoring off a turnover means you didn't actually score. The Bears can get the ball on the opponents 1 and not score. Detroit did actually have to move the ball to makes those scores, and they did it. Chicago had a huge field position advantage and hardly took advantage of it.

 

So we can't take turnovers into account when we compare yardage differential, but we can take injuries into account.

 

Anyway, I'm done talking about that game. Ultimately it doesn't matter. That game is over and Stafford isn't gonna be back anytime soon to show us what an awesome QB he is.

 

If we have as many turnovers this week as we did last week, we'll lose.

 

You can take them into account, but it really doesn't matter how the team got the ball, they got it, drove and scored. Chicago started at the Detroit 1 and the Detroit 41 and got zero points out of it.

 

But jersey, this whole discussion was about the "yards discrepency"....not points.

[jersey cubs fan]

But jersey, this whole discussion was about the "yards discrepency"....not points.

 

Yes, and the yards discrepency is very misleading for this game. Detroit moved the ball when they weren't licking their wounds.

[Banedon]

But jersey, this whole discussion was about the "yards discrepency"....not points.

 

Yes, and the yards discrepency is very misleading for this game. Detroit moved the ball when they weren't licking their wounds.

 

So maybe they'd have had 250yds instead of 150yds. That doesn't do anything to mitigate the 450+yds the Bears had. I guess if you wanna say the Bears would've only doubled their yardage instead of tripled it, I'd concede the point.

[jersey cubs fan]

But jersey, this whole discussion was about the "yards discrepency"....not points.

 

Yes, and the yards discrepency is very misleading for this game. Detroit moved the ball when they weren't licking their wounds.

 

So maybe they'd have had 250yds instead of 150yds. That doesn't do anything to mitigate the 450+yds the Bears had. I guess if you wanna say the Bears would've only doubled their yardage instead of tripled it, I'd concede the point.

 

That's the point.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't know how to put it any other way people, the bears defense was bad, except that they played well.

[wekse]

i don't know how to put it any other way people, the bears defense was bad, except that they played well.

 

clearly.

[Guest]

There is definitely something to what he was saying. The defense was not as good as that yards allowed stat indicates. They shut them down only after Stafford went down and the Lions tried to play keep away. Stafford had 6 possessions in less than 2 full quarters and they scored 14 points. Hill had 8 possessions in 2 full quarters.

 

They scored those points because of turnovers...not because of any offensive efficiency. They went 36 yards after an interception, and 45 yards after a fumble.

 

Hill had two drives longer than either of those.

 

It was pretty obvious the Lions toned down the offense when Hill was in there. You really have to take the second half defensive performance with a grain of salt unless Peppers plans on killing a QB every week.

[Banedon]

There is definitely something to what he was saying. The defense was not as good as that yards allowed stat indicates. They shut them down only after Stafford went down and the Lions tried to play keep away. Stafford had 6 possessions in less than 2 full quarters and they scored 14 points. Hill had 8 possessions in 2 full quarters.

 

They scored those points because of turnovers...not because of any offensive efficiency. They went 36 yards after an interception, and 45 yards after a fumble.

 

Hill had two drives longer than either of those.

 

It was pretty obvious the Lions toned down the offense when Hill was in there. You really have to take the second half defensive performance with a grain of salt unless Peppers plans on killing a QB every week.

 

Still held the Lions to 100yds in the first half.

[jersey cubs fan]

There is definitely something to what he was saying. The defense was not as good as that yards allowed stat indicates. They shut them down only after Stafford went down and the Lions tried to play keep away. Stafford had 6 possessions in less than 2 full quarters and they scored 14 points. Hill had 8 possessions in 2 full quarters.

 

They scored those points because of turnovers...not because of any offensive efficiency. They went 36 yards after an interception, and 45 yards after a fumble.

 

Hill had two drives longer than either of those.

 

It was pretty obvious the Lions toned down the offense when Hill was in there. You really have to take the second half defensive performance with a grain of salt unless Peppers plans on killing a QB every week.

 

I'd be happy with 2 or 3.

[Guest]

I don't play fantasy football. I say kill 'em all.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I play fantasy football. I say kill 'em all.

[rawaction]

There is definitely something to what he was saying. The defense was not as good as that yards allowed stat indicates. They shut them down only after Stafford went down and the Lions tried to play keep away. Stafford had 6 possessions in less than 2 full quarters and they scored 14 points. Hill had 8 possessions in 2 full quarters.

 

They scored those points because of turnovers...not because of any offensive efficiency. They went 36 yards after an interception, and 45 yards after a fumble.

 

Hill had two drives longer than either of those.

 

It was pretty obvious the Lions toned down the offense when Hill was in there. You really have to take the second half defensive performance with a grain of salt unless Peppers plans on killing a QB every week.

 

I don't understand this thinking. So, the Bears don't get full credit for stopping the Lions because they toned down the offense when the QB got hurt....but they don't get credit for hurting the QB either? Hurting the QB is seen as a fluke, not good game-changing defense.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand this thinking. So, the Bears don't get full credit for stopping the Lions because they toned down the offense when the QB got hurt....but they don't get credit for hurting the QB either? Hurting the QB is seen as a fluke, not good game-changing defense.

 

I think the point is that hurting the QB is somewhat of a fluke. It's not really something you can rely on being part of your defense every week.

[JonJayCutler]

Of course you can't count on the QB getting hurt every week, but you also can't count on a team turning the ball over that many times in opponents territory and failing to get in the endzone on 1st and Goal from a foot out.

 

Sure the Bears are probably more likely to do that than some teams, but a lot of fluke things happened to keep us out of the endzone. We still dominated in every aspect of the game other than takeaways. The Lions being able to force turnovers kept them in the game, but most if not all of the turnovers were our own fault and not really a reflection on their defense. The goal-line stand I will give them credit for, but like I said it is very rare to make a 4-down defensive stand with one foot to go.

[jersey cubs fan]

We still dominated in every aspect of the game other than takeaways.

 

And points.

[bukie]

A large part of the Bears trouble in the red zone had to do with their poor rushing offense.

[rawaction]

I don't understand this thinking. So, the Bears don't get full credit for stopping the Lions because they toned down the offense when the QB got hurt....but they don't get credit for hurting the QB either? Hurting the QB is seen as a fluke, not good game-changing defense.

 

I think the point is that hurting the QB is somewhat of a fluke. It's not really something you can rely on being part of your defense every week.

 

But you can get in the backfield and get enough pressure to also make a team dumb down the offense, especially when the team has a lead.

 

Plus, it's not like the Lions went from the run-and-shoot to the wishbone. They only had 5.3 yards per pass attempt with Stafford.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand this thinking. So, the Bears don't get full credit for stopping the Lions because they toned down the offense when the QB got hurt....but they don't get credit for hurting the QB either? Hurting the QB is seen as a fluke, not good game-changing defense.

 

I think the point is that hurting the QB is somewhat of a fluke. It's not really something you can rely on being part of your defense every week.

 

But you can get in the backfield and get enough pressure to also make a team dumb down the offense, especially when the team has a lead.

 

Plus, it's not like the Lions went from the run-and-shoot to the wishbone. They only had 5.3 yards per pass attempt with Stafford.

 

I'm not trying to say Detroit would have racked up 400 yards with him, but his loss made a difference. Chicago probably would not have gotten as many chances as they ended up getting with Stafford in there. They kept getting the ball back in good spots, and kept doing nothing.

[Magnetic Curses]

We still dominated in every aspect of the game other than takeaways.

 

And points.

 

and it's silly looking at points and saying that they are what counts when, in actuality, what really counts are wins.

[Soul]

We still dominated in every aspect of the game other than takeaways.

 

And points.

 

and it's silly looking at points and saying that they are what counts when, in actuality, what really counts are wins.

 

The game ended with the Bears ahead.

 

We did have a huge yardage differential. We did make a lot of mistakes. CJ did decide not to secure that ball in both hands and he dropped it. The time on the clock did expire, and the Bears did have a point advantage.

 

I wish people would stop trying to divorce parts of the game from the argument so they can play some kind of bizarre what if game.

 

Scoreboard. Game over. Done.

[jersey cubs fan]

We still dominated in every aspect of the game other than takeaways.

 

And points.

 

and it's silly looking at points and saying that they are what counts when, in actuality, what really counts are wins.

You make no sense. People talked about the yardage, but other things indicate the game was closer. Your point was pointless.

[Magnetic Curses]

lol, my point was pointless

[Careless]

I'm glad they had a ref standing right behind cutler watching him getting facemasked without calling anything

[Butterscup1679666578]

Should have been a facemask, but Omiyale is useless.