What could we get for Marmol?

[Dallas Green]

As much as I value a great pen, what could we get for Marmol? We could get a stop gap closer until Cashner could fill the role.

[Post Count Padder]

He's wild, so teams will take that into account. But they will also drool over his K/9 rate and how few hits he allows. And of course, saves. I think some team would offer a really good prospect and a mid level prospect.

[ScrubMD]

If it means Cashner staying in the pen, then no no no no no. If we were to trade Marmol, which I wouldn't be terribly opposed to, then have Marshall close until Kurcz brings his mind control powers to the bigs.

[The Logan]

Weren't there whispers of a Marmol to the Reds deal earlier in the year? I believe we were clamoring for Yonder Alonso in return. Not sure if folks were being unreasonable or not, but considering just how good Marmol can be, and especially considering the Nats got Wilson Ramos in return for Matt Capps, I'd say we should be able to get a very good prospect in the Yonder Alonso mold for Marmol. Lest we not forget Marmol will be under team control for the next 2 years in arbitration, so that could be another key enticer

[Dallas Green]

Im not totally advocating it, I just dont trust his control and I think he would bring back something more valuable

[rawaction]

Im not totally advocating it, I just dont trust his control and I think he would bring back something more valuable

 

His control is not good. But if you are going to walk 6.3 hitters per 9 innings, then you better: be unhittable, keep the ball in the park, and keep the ball from getting put in play. Carlos Marmol is the best in baseball at all 3 of those things, thus rendering his control problems, not much of a problem.

 

That being said, I would trade Marmol in a heartbeat if it meant getting star level talent back in return. But there is really no precedent for a reliever this dominant to get traded, much less traded for a package of players that would make trading Marmol worthwhile.

[dew1679666265]

Weren't there whispers of a Marmol to the Reds deal earlier in the year? I believe we were clamoring for Yonder Alonso in return. Not sure if folks were being unreasonable or not, but considering just how good Marmol can be, and especially considering the Nats got Wilson Ramos in return for Matt Capps, I'd say we should be able to get a very good prospect in the Yonder Alonso mold for Marmol. Lest we not forget Marmol will be under team control for the next 2 years in arbitration, so that could be another key enticer

 

The rumored trade was Marmol to Cincy for Chris Heisey (I think it was). A lot of people on here were wishing for Alonso.

 

However, that was a very unreliable website, so I don't know that any credence should be given to that rumor.

[Guest]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

[Backtobanks]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem with too many of the Cubs. Marmol, Byrd, Fukudome (for salary reasons) and Zambrano (for salary reasons) probably won't get you equal value in prospects.

[The Logan]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

 

Do you think the Capps for Ramos deal was a matter of desperation on the Twins' part or do you think they genuinely perceived Capps as a valuable swap for Ramos? I know Ramos was highly expendable, but would you agree that because of that deal it changes the landscape for the trade value of high performance closers like Marmol? Top 25 maybe not, but top 50 perhaps?

[Guest]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

 

Do you think the Capps for Ramos deal was a matter of desperation on the Twins' part or do you think they genuinely perceived Capps as a valuable swap for Ramos? I know Ramos was highly expendable, but would you agree that because of that deal it changes the landscape for the trade value of high performance closers like Marmol? Top 25 maybe not, but top 50 perhaps?

I think it's an easier trade for the receiving team to make during the season. A closer is usually viewed as a "last piece" kind of a guy. So I think it's easier for a team to see themselves as being a single dominant relief pitcher away from the playoffs / world series during the season.

[Guest]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem with too many of the Cubs. Marmol, Byrd, Fukudome (for salary reasons) and Zambrano (for salary reasons) probably won't get you equal value in prospects.

I still don't know why people want to trade Fukudome. Trade Colvin to a small market team instead. The best trade proposal I've heard all season is Colvin for Gordon.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm more than willing to trade Marmol for the right return. But I don't think we'd be able to get the kind of player that makes it worthwhile (top 25 prospect in all of baseball).

 

Unfortunately, that seems to be the problem with too many of the Cubs. Marmol, Byrd, Fukudome (for salary reasons) and Zambrano (for salary reasons) probably won't get you equal value in prospects.

I still don't know why people want to trade Fukudome. Trade Colvin to a small market team instead. The best trade proposal I've heard all season is Colvin for Gordon.

 

I'm guessing we wouldn't have to give up Colvin to get Gordon

[TruffleShuffle]

do people realize yet that alex gordon might just not be that good? he hasn't had a lot of success at the major league level in 3 years, he's got injury problems and now he's not playing 3B, which makes his bat less valuable. plus he's 26 years old. i know he hit the [expletive] out of the ball in college and the minors, but don't there have to be major questions about whether it's going to come together for him at the big league level?

[Guest]

do people realize yet that alex gordon might just not be that good? he hasn't had a lot of success at the major league level in 3 years, he's got injury problems and now he's not playing 3B, which makes his bat less valuable. plus he's 26 years old. i know he hit the [expletive] out of the ball in college and the minors, but don't there have to be major questions about whether it's going to come together for him at the big league level?

I feel more confident about his track record and probable future production than Colvin's.

[illiniguy]

do people realize yet that alex gordon might just not be that good? he hasn't had a lot of success at the major league level in 3 years, he's got injury problems and now he's not playing 3B, which makes his bat less valuable. plus he's 26 years old. i know he hit the [expletive] out of the ball in college and the minors, but don't there have to be major questions about whether it's going to come together for him at the big league level?

Well, his first year he wasn't all that great, but I thought in his second year he had an amazing second half which ended up with him having some pretty good numbers. Since then he's been hurt, so I understand why people would be all for adding him. Especially when you take into consideration that the Royals would probably move him for Darwin Bailey at this point.

[dew1679666265]

do people realize yet that alex gordon might just not be that good? he hasn't had a lot of success at the major league level in 3 years, he's got injury problems and now he's not playing 3B, which makes his bat less valuable. plus he's 26 years old. i know he hit the [expletive] out of the ball in college and the minors, but don't there have to be major questions about whether it's going to come together for him at the big league level?

Well, his first year he wasn't all that great, but I thought in his second year he had an amazing second half which ended up with him having some pretty good numbers. Since then he's been hurt, so I understand why people would be all for adding him. Especially when you take into consideration that the Royals would probably move him for Darwin Bailey at this point.

 

At least we'd get to keep Darwin Barney.

[illiniguy]

do people realize yet that alex gordon might just not be that good? he hasn't had a lot of success at the major league level in 3 years, he's got injury problems and now he's not playing 3B, which makes his bat less valuable. plus he's 26 years old. i know he hit the [expletive] out of the ball in college and the minors, but don't there have to be major questions about whether it's going to come together for him at the big league level?

Well, his first year he wasn't all that great, but I thought in his second year he had an amazing second half which ended up with him having some pretty good numbers. Since then he's been hurt, so I understand why people would be all for adding him. Especially when you take into consideration that the Royals would probably move him for Darwin Bailey at this point.

 

At least we'd get to keep Darwin Barney.

Damn that who I meant. Lol.

[Moises a loo]

Weren't there whispers of a Marmol to the Reds deal earlier in the year? I believe we were clamoring for Yonder Alonso in return. Not sure if folks were being unreasonable or not, but considering just how good Marmol can be, and especially considering the Nats got Wilson Ramos in return for Matt Capps, I'd say we should be able to get a very good prospect in the Yonder Alonso mold for Marmol. Lest we not forget Marmol will be under team control for the next 2 years in arbitration, so that could be another key enticer

 

 

How bout this:

 

Reds get Marmol and Fukudome

 

Cubs get Alonso and Cordero

 

It's a win/win

[javy knows my name]

Weren't there whispers of a Marmol to the Reds deal earlier in the year? I believe we were clamoring for Yonder Alonso in return. Not sure if folks were being unreasonable or not, but considering just how good Marmol can be, and especially considering the Nats got Wilson Ramos in return for Matt Capps, I'd say we should be able to get a very good prospect in the Yonder Alonso mold for Marmol. Lest we not forget Marmol will be under team control for the next 2 years in arbitration, so that could be another key enticer

 

 

How bout this:

 

Reds get Marmol and Fukudome

 

Cubs get Alonso and Cordero

 

It's a win/win

I wouldn't even sort of consider that deal

[dew1679666265]

How bout this:

 

Reds get Marmol and Fukudome

 

Cubs get Alonso and Cordero

 

It's a win/win

 

Cordero is 35 and hasn't been good at all this year – 4.08 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 53:36 K:BB, 4.67 xFIP.

 

The Marmol/Alonso part kind of interests me (Alonso would have to be the base of any deal I made with the Reds involving Marmol), but Fukudome is way, way more valuable than Cordero.

[Moises a loo]

How bout this:

 

Reds get Marmol and Fukudome

 

Cubs get Alonso and Cordero

 

It's a win/win

 

Cordero is 35 and hasn't been good at all this year – 4.08 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 53:36 K:BB, 4.67 xFIP.

 

The Marmol/Alonso part kind of interests me (Alonso would have to be the base of any deal I made with the Reds involving Marmol), but Fukudome is way, way more valuable than Cordero.

 

Yeah, but Alonso is more valuable than Marmol and Cordero/Fukudome evens out the money. I bet Reds fans would think this is a bad deal for them.

[Guest]

Alonso is not more valuable than Marmol. Not remotely.

[Backtobanks]

Same division - won't happen.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, but Alonso is more valuable than Marmol and Cordero/Fukudome evens out the money. I bet Reds fans would think this is a bad deal for them.

 

How is a player with minimal major league experience (much less ML success) more valuable than one of the most elite young closers in the game? I agree that Alonso's ceiling is far better than Marmol's, but Marmol is much more valuable right now.

 

And even though Fuku/Cordero even out the money, you're trading a valuable asset (Kosuke) for a non-valuable asset (Cordero) with both being overpaid.