Sammy Sosa has some things to say about the Cubs

[Benchwarmer]

The guy walked out in the middle of a game....

 

Read better.

 

Read your own post better, ace. If you can't prove it and you can't, then stop making such absurb statements.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The guy walked out in the middle of a game....

 

Read better.

 

Read your own post better, ace. If you can't prove it and you can't, then stop making such absurb statements.

 

I could be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure that is established fact. There was a game going on, he was there because it was his job, and he walked out in the middle of it.

[erik316wttn]

He left a meaningless game he wasn't a part of. It's not good, but it's hardly a big deal.

 

He was on the roster and eligible to be used in the game. It's his job to be there. That's a big deal.

 

While you are correct, it could have been worse. The Cubs were mathematically eliminated, and even if Sammy would have gone 4-4 with 3 HR's and 8 RBI that day, it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He left a meaningless game he wasn't a part of. It's not good, but it's hardly a big deal.

 

He was on the roster and eligible to be used in the game. It's his job to be there. That's a big deal.

 

While you are correct, it could have been worse. The Cubs were mathematically eliminated, and even if Sammy would have gone 4-4 with 3 HR's and 8 RBI that day, it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

All true. But he still loses credit for "always being ready to play" or whatever.

[Benchwarmer]

He left a meaningless game he wasn't a part of. It's not good, but it's hardly a big deal.

 

He was on the roster and eligible to be used in the game. It's his job to be there. That's a big deal.

 

While you are correct, it could have been worse. The Cubs were mathematically eliminated, and even if Sammy would have gone 4-4 with 3 HR's and 8 RBI that day, it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

All true. But he still loses credit for "always being ready to play" or whatever.

 

Did you find that lineup card or box score for the game that 'Sammy walked out on'? It's a simple request.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200410030.shtml

[Benchwarmer]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200410030.shtml

 

AH..No Sammy listed. So anyone who says he 'walked out of the game' is incorrect.

 

Case closed.

[jersey cubs fan]

He was told he wasn't starting, so he left. It was clearly bad form, but it is also completely meaningless. The guy played 160 every year, and despite actually playing reasonably well that year received an inordinate amount of blame for the team struggling and was benched in the final game. That was an unnecessary insult.

[Electron Blue]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200410030.shtml

 

AH..No Sammy listed. So anyone who says he 'walked out of the game' is incorrect.

 

Case closed.

 

He didn't play therefore he didn't walk out? He also didn't appear as a pinch hitter, which (however unlikely anyway) would not have been possible due to when he left.

 

I could hardly care less about the actual issue, but some of the argumentation here is a little strange.

[SouthSideRyan]

He was told he wasn't starting, so he left. It was clearly bad form, but it is also completely meaningless. The guy played 160 every year, and despite actually playing reasonably well that year received an inordinate amount of blame for the team struggling and was benched in the final game. That was an unnecessary insult.

 

Agreed with all but the end. I believe Sammy himself said he asked not to be put in the lineup that day. This is all so meaningless though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Did you find that lineup card or box score for the game that 'Sammy walked out on'? It's a simple request.

 

A simple request that is irrelevant to the conversation, because it is based around a strawman that nobody said.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200410030.shtml

 

AH..No Sammy listed. So anyone who says he 'walked out of the game' is incorrect.

 

Case closed.

 

There was a game that day, as the box score proved conclusively.

 

Sosa was at the game. He walked out. That's accepted fact.

 

You are angling for an imaginary semantic victory that isn't there. Nobody said "He walked out of a game while playing."

[jersey cubs fan]

He was told he wasn't starting, so he left. It was clearly bad form, but it is also completely meaningless. The guy played 160 every year, and despite actually playing reasonably well that year received an inordinate amount of blame for the team struggling and was benched in the final game. That was an unnecessary insult.

 

Agreed with all but the end. I believe Sammy himself said he asked not to be put in the lineup that day. This is all so meaningless though.

 

I just googled the incident and the article said he was told he wasn't starting and that's why he left. Maybe that's not the case.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He was told he wasn't starting, so he left. It was clearly bad form, but it is also completely meaningless. The guy played 160 every year, and despite actually playing reasonably well that year received an inordinate amount of blame for the team struggling and was benched in the final game. That was an unnecessary insult.

 

Agreed with all but the end. I believe Sammy himself said he asked not to be put in the lineup that day. This is all so meaningless though.

 

I just googled the incident and the article said he was told he wasn't starting and that's why he left. Maybe that's not the case.

 

Both are correct. He asked not to start and the manager agreed.

[erik316wttn]

Any truth to the rumor that Kerry Wood smashed Sammy's clubhouse stereo with a bat after that game? Because if so, not cool.

[Tracer Bullet]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200410030.shtml

 

AH..No Sammy listed. So anyone who says he 'walked out of the game' is incorrect.

 

Case closed.

 

There was a game that day, as the box score proved conclusively.

 

Sosa was at the game. He walked out. That's accepted fact.

 

You are angling for an imaginary semantic victory that isn't there. Nobody said "He walked out of a game while playing."

 

So we've established that Sammy did not walk out while he was in the lineup but that he did leave a game that he was eligible to be brought into as a substitute at some point. Can we all move on now?

[rocket]

still?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So we've established that Sammy did not walk out while he was in the lineup but that he did leave a game that he was eligible to be brought into as a substitute at some point. Can we all move on now?

 

I don't know. We've got the baseball-reference link, but not any actual footage of the game. It may not have existed.

[Bull]

So we've established that Sammy did not walk out while he was in the lineup but that he did leave a game that he was eligible to be brought into as a substitute at some point. Can we all move on now?

 

I don't know. We've got the baseball-reference link, but not any actual footage of the game. It may not have existed.

 

Baseball reference conspiring to create box scores of games that never actually took place?!?! This could be bigger than steroids. I am quite sure that no one actually witnessed an Expos game in their last three years in Montreal. I defy anyone (besides the now VERY suspect BR) to prove otherwise.

[UMFan83]

So we've established that Sammy did not walk out while he was in the lineup but that he did leave a game that he was eligible to be brought into as a substitute at some point. Can we all move on now?

 

I don't know. We've got the baseball-reference link, but not any actual footage of the game. It may not have existed.

 

Baseball reference conspiring to create box scores of games that never actually took place?!?! This could be bigger than steroids. I am quite sure that no one actually witnessed an Expos game in their last three years in Montreal. I defy anyone (besides the now VERY suspect BR) to prove otherwise.

 

I have a ticket stub from that Cubs/Braves game somewhere in my drawer. Sorry guys.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You got ripped off. You should probably ask for a refund.

[Tracer Bullet]

can we let this boring squabble die quietly now?

[Guest]

Adam Kellogg over at 312 had an interesting take on Sosa & the Cubs.

[Soul]

Nice.