Umpire steals perfect game from Armando Galarraga

[Post Count Padder]

I feel so bad for Galarraga. My mom, who doesn't follow baseball at all, was yelling, "He was out!"

[Cubswin11]

Why did Cabrera range that far over to make that play? It seems to me if he just stays in position and covers first base it is a routine grounder to the second baseman and the runner is out by a couple steps.

He may have ranged to far, he clearly made the out however going for it. But in that situation, being a fielder with one out left before a perfect game you are probably going to try and make the extra effort to make a play to get the out. Also would there be as much of an outrage had it been the other way around? Meaning the runner was safe but Joyce called him out? I don't think so, but what do you guys think?

[chuckywang]

how can you not feel bad for the ump? he blew a call in a baseball game, he didn't murder jesus.

 

Right, I hate the Jews way more than Joyce.

[Cubswin11]

how can you not feel bad for the ump? he blew a call in a baseball game, he didn't murder jesus.

 

Right, I hate the Jews way more than Joyce.

What if Joyce is a Jew? I am not saying, just saying....

[RedFlash]

That is horrible. It would be nice to see the call overturned, but I'm just not sure what kind of precedent that would set for future games.

 

Yeah well, baseball needs to think about baseball in the present, instead of what might happen in the future. There is no guarantee that Galaragga will ever get another chance like this, so for the ump to take it away like he did, is unacceptable. As for the future, you take it case by case. Right now, MLB needs to overrule the call and award the young man a perfect game.

[SpongeWorthy]

That is horrible. It would be nice to see the call overturned, but I'm just not sure what kind of precedent that would set for future games.

 

Yeah well, baseball needs to think about baseball in the present, instead of what might happen in the future. There is no guarantee that Galaragga will ever get another chance like this, so for the ump to take it away like he did, is unacceptable. As for the future, you take it case by case. Right now, MLB needs to overrule the call and award the young man a perfect game.

 

If everyone involved in MLB can't come to an unspoken agreement not to use this as some precedent for protesting other end of game calls then I have no faith in humanity. It's so cut and dry. Don't be a huge tool and there will be no negative precedent set.

[RedFlash]

That is horrible. It would be nice to see the call overturned, but I'm just not sure what kind of precedent that would set for future games.

 

Yeah well, baseball needs to think about baseball in the present, instead of what might happen in the future. There is no guarantee that Galaragga will ever get another chance like this, so for the ump to take it away like he did, is unacceptable. As for the future, you take it case by case. Right now, MLB needs to overrule the call and award the young man a perfect game.

 

If everyone involved in MLB can't come to an unspoken agreement not to use this as some precedent for protesting other end of game calls then I have no faith in humanity. It's so cut and dry. Don't be a huge tool and there will be no negative precedent set.

 

I agree. On ESPN during the Tigers highlights they rans clips of broadcasters of the following teams: Boston, NY Mets, Houston, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, NY Yankees (Yankees broadcasters took it a step farther and said "the umpiring has never been as worse as it has been this year"), and Marty Brennaman, and they all were in agreement that this was a really bad call and something needs to be done. My gut feeling is that had ESPN brought clips of every major league team broadcast tonight onto their show, I think every team would have said the same thing. I think for the first time that I can remember, everybody associated with baseball is in agreement, and that is Galaragga should be awarded the perfect game.

[17 Seconds]

I don't know if I feel more sorry for Galarraga or Joyce.

I know you aren't the first to share this sentiment, but really? A terrible umpire made a terrible call that cost a kid a place in baseball's history books. This isn't hard at all.

 

Yeah, but tonight Galaragga is still celebrating one of the best games in mlb history. Meanwhile, Joyce probably wants to go into hiding and die. I'm pretty sure Joyce feels 1937828x worse than Galaragga right now, even if it is his own fault.

[mike2482]

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, "It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/06/02/joyces.missed.call/index.html?hpt=T2

[erik316wttn]

I give credit to Galarraga for handling this with far more class than I ever would have. Also I give credit to Joyce for owning up to his mistake and owning that he fucked up the call. I can't recall the last time I heard an umpire say "I blew it." Usually their ego prevents it.

 

I hope we hear something from the Commissioner's office today regarding the situation, but I thought something would have been out by now. I have a funny feeling we hear nothing from Mr. Selig on this.

[champaignchris]

It would be a lot easier to throw hate at the ump if he acted like an ass. Instead, he apologized for the call and is pretty obviously despondent about the whole thing.

 

As it stands, Galarraga's perfect game may end up being the most historically significant perfecto in a while. It might just be the incident that finally drags baseball screaming into the 20th Century with instant replay.

 

Imagine, Joyce blows the call... Galarraga yells over to Leyland that he got the out... Leyland calmly strolls over to the home plate ump and asks for a replay... The home plate ump walks over to the repay booth, watches the replay for about 20 seconds and awards Galarraga the out... Celebration ensues... That Joyce originally blew the call becomes nothing more than a footnote. Yeah, that's much worse that the way things are now.

 

That might be what finally gets replay in baseball: It'll take the umps off the hook for this sort of thing.

[Tracer Bullet]

The play in question:

 

http://i.imgur.com/kBUSO.jpg

 

 

I dunno if I feel worse for Galarraga for losing the perfecto or for Joyce for what's going to happen to him.

You shouldn't feel bad for Joyce. He deserves everything he gets. Something like this is unforgivable.

 

I really think in a situation like this Selig (or somebody in his office, such as Bob Watson) should have the authority to overrule the umpire's incompetent call and award Galarraga with the perfect game he in reality did pitch. It's not a judgment call, like the ball 4 call in Milt Pappas' almost-perfect game. In this case the batter was clearly, objectively out; no judgment involved whatsoever. The umpire was factually wrong.

 

I wouldn't call it "unforgivable". Sure, people would say it was a crappy call if it came, say, in the 5th inning of a tie game, but it wouldn't be "unforgivable."

 

However, I agree with the rest of your post.

Yeah, "unforgivable" is perhaps a bit too strong of a term. Still a horrible call which requires action to keep from happening again.

 

you realize this was a human making a mistake. you can't prevent it from ever happening again unless you literally kill every human. look at the football - ever seen a replay official blow a call? replay should help reduce errors, but errors are a part of life.

 

i wish the people on this board could handle this situation as well as galarraga and joyce have.

[treebird]

It would be a lot easier to throw hate at the ump if he acted like an ass. Instead, he apologized for the call and is pretty obviously despondent about the whole thing.

 

As it stands, Galarraga's perfect game may end up being the most historically significant perfecto in a while. It might just be the incident that finally drags baseball screaming into the 20th Century with instant replay.

 

Imagine, Joyce blows the call... Galarraga yells over to Leyland that he got the out... Leyland calmly strolls over to the home plate ump and asks for a replay... The home plate ump walks over to the repay booth, watches the replay for about 20 seconds and awards Galarraga the out... Celebration ensues... That Joyce originally blew the call becomes nothing more than a footnote. Yeah, that's much worse that the way things are now.

 

That might be what finally gets replay in baseball: It'll take the umps off the hook for this sort of thing.

 

what's great about this whole thing is that this would be the worst argument in the world if it didn't actually happen.

 

"oh yeah, but what if a pitcher has two outs in the 9th inning of a perfect game and an umpire blows a call at first? i'll bet you'd want replay them."

 

"you are an idiot."

[Banedon]

Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

 

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

 

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling.

[daske17]

Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

 

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

 

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling.

 

If Selig was willing to let the 03 All-Star Game end in a tie, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do something that was truly good for the game.

[Banedon]

Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

 

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

 

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling.

 

If Selig was willing to let the 03 All-Star Game end in a tie, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do something that was truly good for the game.

 

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

[Tracer Bullet]

Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

 

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

 

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling.

 

If Selig was willing to let the 03 All-Star Game end in a tie, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do something that was truly good for the game.

 

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

[EhDubya]

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, "It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/06/02/joyces.missed.call/index.html?hpt=T2

 

Sorry Mo, but in this case making arguably the worst call in the history of the sport automatically disqualifies you from being the best.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, "It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/06/02/joyces.missed.call/index.html?hpt=T2

 

Sorry Mo, but in this case making arguably the worst call in the history of the sport automatically disqualifies you from being the best.

 

Worst call in the history of the sport??

[erik316wttn]

I don't agree that it was the "worst call in the history of the sport." Like I said, had this come in a 3-3 ballgame with 1 out in the 5th inning, would you still call it that? It was a terrible call, sure, but we've all seen worse calls, just not in such a high-pressure situation before.

[bukie]

If anything, I hope this brings the stupidity of the insistence on the "human factor" playing such a crucial part in baseball. Humans make mistakes. If you want mistake-free rulings in a sports, there's plenty of technology already available to make that possible.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, "It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/06/02/joyces.missed.call/index.html?hpt=T2

 

Sorry Mo, but in this case making arguably the worst call in the history of the sport automatically disqualifies you from being the best.

 

Worst call in the history of the sport??

 

THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[erik316wttn]

If anything, I hope this brings the stupidity of the insistence on the "human factor" playing such a crucial part in baseball. Humans make mistakes. If you want mistake-free rulings in a sports, there's plenty of technology already available to make that possible.

 

Yeah, the whole "The human element is part of the game" nonsense that some people have is truly baffling. It's just a shame that something like this has to happen before any action is taken, instead of fixing it in the first place.

[daske17]

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

There's a simple answer to this dilemma: expand instant replay!

[erik316wttn]

Major League Baseball was still deciding Thursday morning whether to review the umpire's blown call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game.

 

Commissioner Bud Selig has the power to reverse umpire Jim Joyce's missed call that came with two outs in the ninth inning Wednesday night in Detroit. Joyce ruled Cleveland's Jason Donald safe, then admitted he got it wrong.

 

Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling.

 

If Selig was willing to let the 03 All-Star Game end in a tie, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do something that was truly good for the game.

 

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

So Galarraga should be screwed out of a perfect game that he rightfully earned because other people may use replay so they won't get screwed out of other things that they rightfully earned as well?

 

Really?