Cashner called up; Grabow to DL

[jersey cubs fan]

100 IP consistently starting and 100 IP from starting for 6 weeks and then relieving for 4 months is not the same thing.

 

True, 100 IP consistently starting is both less impressive and less actual work.

 

 

The point is that Cashner is already at the far end of the "not stretched out for starting" spectrum. Reaching last year's IP is not a goal, it's an absolute necessity that he must go beyond.

 

This sounds a bit melodramatic to me. If he throws another 40 IP this year, I'm not sure why that would be the disaster you are portraying.

[Guest]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

[Vinestal]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

We have 2 great relievers? I can only think of 1. Who is the other? Oh... Marshal?

[SouthSideRyan]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

We have 2 great relievers? I can only think of 1. Who is the other? Oh... Marshal?

 

Yes. What exactly is your standard for a relief pitcher being great?

[dew1679666265]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

 

If Lou goes by what he said yesterday, he's planning on working Cashner into the 7th-8th inning after a little while. And why does fall league pitching not count in your total?

[Guest]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

 

If Lou goes by what he said yesterday, he's planning on working Cashner into the 7th-8th inning after a little while. And why does fall league pitching not count in your total?

 

Cashner threw in the fall league last year, so that's not going to help him build innings relative to 2009.

[dew1679666265]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

 

If Lou goes by what he said yesterday, he's planning on working Cashner into the 7th-8th inning after a little while. And why does fall league pitching not count in your total?

 

Cashner threw in the fall league last year, so that's not going to help him build innings relative to 2009.

 

Are fall league innings different in the fall than pitches during the summer? I'm honestly confused about this – has he not pitched in the fall league since 2008 or why can the fall league innings not count toward his 2009 total if he did pitch in the fall league in 2009?

[SouthSideRyan]

It's not a disaster, it's just that the year will pretty much be for naught in terms of getting his arm strength built up. Just so he can be the 6th inning guy on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and probably a couple more good ones.

 

If Lou goes by what he said yesterday, he's planning on working Cashner into the 7th-8th inning after a little while. And why does fall league pitching not count in your total?

 

Cashner threw in the fall league last year, so that's not going to help him build innings relative to 2009.

 

Are fall league innings different in the fall than pitches during the summer? I'm honestly confused about this – has he not pitched in the fall league since 2008 or why can the fall league innings not count toward his 2009 total if he did pitch in the fall league in 2009?

 

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

[dew1679666265]

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

 

Does the 100 IP total include fall league innings? If so, I understand. If not, I don't see why you can't add the 2009 regular season pitching with the 2009 fall league pitching.

[Guest]

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

 

Does the 100 IP total include fall league innings? If so, I understand. If not, I don't see why you can't add the 2009 regular season pitching with the 2009 fall league pitching.

 

It does not. So in actuality Cashner threw about 115-120 IP last year. The point is that since he threw in the AFL last year, then throwing in the AFL isn't going to push Cashner into uncharted territory so he can build endurance.

[cubfan]

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

 

Does the 100 IP total include fall league innings? If so, I understand. If not, I don't see why you can't add the 2009 regular season pitching with the 2009 fall league pitching.

 

It does not. So in actuality Cashner threw about 115-120 IP last year. The point is that since he threw in the AFL last year, then throwing in the AFL isn't going to push Cashner into uncharted territory so he can build endurance.

 

I'm not a big fan of the move either, but wanted to try to make sure I'm understanding everthing. Cashner had about 120 IP last year. He will probably end up with about the same this year after AFL and could then reasonably go up to 150-160 IP next year? I'm still not a fan of the move but it dosen't seem like its that bad either.

[Guest]

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

 

Does the 100 IP total include fall league innings? If so, I understand. If not, I don't see why you can't add the 2009 regular season pitching with the 2009 fall league pitching.

 

It does not. So in actuality Cashner threw about 115-120 IP last year. The point is that since he threw in the AFL last year, then throwing in the AFL isn't going to push Cashner into uncharted territory so he can build endurance.

 

I'm not a big fan of the move either, but wanted to try to make sure I'm understanding everthing. Cashner had about 120 IP last year. He will probably end up with about the same this year after AFL and could then reasonably go up to 150-160 IP next year? I'm still not a fan of the move but it dosen't seem like its that bad either.

 

Right, like I said, it's not a disaster, but it wastes this season in terms of building endurance, all so that he can be the 3rd/4th reliever on a mediocre team that has 2 great relievers and good starting pitching.

[dew1679666265]

I believe TT is saying that it's not adding on any innings relative to his 2009 total because he had those innings in '09 as well.

 

Does the 100 IP total include fall league innings? If so, I understand. If not, I don't see why you can't add the 2009 regular season pitching with the 2009 fall league pitching.

 

It does not. So in actuality Cashner threw about 115-120 IP last year. The point is that since he threw in the AFL last year, then throwing in the AFL isn't going to push Cashner into uncharted territory so he can build endurance.

 

Ok, now I get what you're saying. My point was that his threshold for number of innings should be higher than the 100-120 you've cited since he made it to 120 last year (with AFL included) and likely will be close to the 120ish number again this year after (I assume) the AFL. So while you're right that the threshold for innings pitched won't be any higher after this year, he should be able to reach as many as 140-150 innings next year. Right?

 

It's probably just nitpicking, but I felt like the numbers being thrown around were too low.